NOC Matrix 12 NOC - Game Over, Mafia Wins

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Ah yes pancake advocating the classic "this player is scummy because ~~~meta~~~"

Josh happens to be one of my strongest town reads and we're seeing this game very similarly so you can take your sheeping and shove it

Moody my lynch pool today is King/Hitmonleet/pancake. Each of these people have been aggressively failing to provide content that in any way benefits town, have been throwing shade and casting wide nets of disillusionment, and have shown little interest in working with other townies. The majority of the rest of the pool have generated fairly strong tone reads in the positive and I see little reason to lynch out of here barring future flip information. My vote is on King atm as a compromise because I trust Josh's read and because we need a majority of townies voting in the same direction, I'm a little leery about finding his defense townie on d1 but nothing else he's done correlates with that. pancake is my preferred vote but that's mostly OMGUS from his terrible arguments against me and his slot deserves more pressure/interaction so my preferred lynch would be hitmonleet so is scum signalling pretty much as blatantly as he can.

Current reads tier
Town bloc: asek, hawkie
High town: Josh, shubaka
Null town: blazade, moody
Null: ironic double
Null scum: DLE, knightsofcydonia, ullar
Scum lean: pancake
Hard scum: king, hitmonleet
 
So texas is leaning to vote me because of Josh and not who he thinks is scum? I don't care if all of us work together I only care if the majority of us can lynch scum together. The Texas post seems like he wants to make himself seem like the nice guy. > Not everyone is town.
Unvote ullar , vote texas
 
That's correct, you aren't town

This is the same thing I said d1, we need a majority of townies (8/11 in this case) to vote together to reach a hammer situation and almost as many to defeat a scum+remaining town counterwagon. My individual scum reads are important and funny enough you're there too, but at this stage of the game it's more important to work together with my top townreads towards game solving.

Josh is convinced you're scum and has said he won't vote outside you today. He has provided good reasons for you being scum, the most convincing of which to me is the fact that your wagon has seen such high resistance on both days despite you being widely scum read. I independently scum read you for your play d1 and your continuation of that play today, the only positive in your favour being your defense under pressure.

You are not my top scum read but you are a scum read, and you are a top scum read of one of my strongest allies. Easy vote.
 
So are you saying you think Josh is town and therefore there's no chance of him being scum and that's why you're following him? Wouldn't it make sense to follow what most people have to say and not just Josh? That's if you're going with the whole town should work together. There's Hawkie and Asek above Josh in your townreads but you want to lynch me with Josh. I'd understand it more if it was Hawkie/Asek pushing the lynch on me hard and you agreeing with them since they're your highest townread.
 
So are you saying you think Josh is town and therefore there's no chance of him being scum and that's why you're following him? Wouldn't it make sense to follow what most people have to say and not just Josh? That's if you're going with the whole town should work together. There's Hawkie and Asek above Josh in your townreads but you want to lynch me with Josh. I'd understand it more if it was Hawkie/Asek pushing the lynch on me hard and you agreeing with them since they're your highest townread.
If he is scum I'm confident in my ability to determine that later in the game. At present he's given me no reason to think he isn't town.

If Hawkie and Asek both don't agree with your lynch then we'll talk about it and examine further options in comparison to you.

I'm not going to wait for everyone to be present and state their piece before placing a vote and making my own views known, that stifles discussion and is inherently anti-town. The more I make myself known, the more I contribute to the argument and pressure on a wagon, the more information I'm communicating to other people including my top town reads who themselves have no way of knowing my alignment bar their own deductions - and therefore the greater ability they have to come to a conclusion about the case against you.
 
I'm not going to wait for everyone to be present and state their piece before placing a vote and making my own views known,
And really this is something that needs to be emphasized more. Your vote is a statement of your feeling at a certain point in the game. Your vote doesn't have to (and I'd argue shouldn't) remain static throughout an entire period. Using your vote to lynch your best scum read or the top wagon of the day is the most common way to use it, but not the only one. It's an important tool to use for signalling to other townies and to contribute to pressure against individuals in order to generate reads. People get way too caught up in "being cautious" or concerns about wagon hopping that they deliberately ignore a significant part of one of the only two tools they have at their disposal.
 
And this in and of itself provides yet another avenue for scum hunting. If everyone in the game is willing to move their vote around depending on how their reads change it provides an opportunity to look at the motivations for their vote change. Did they change their vote because their reads changed? Were they voting to generate pressure and a read? Were they opportunistic in the timing of their votes? Did they change their vote to a wagon they previously argued against near deadline? And so on.
 
As much as I don't want to settle for low hanging fruit King's d2 did nothing to make me not want to lynch to him so since it doesnt seem like Knights is getting support I'll gladly go with King today
 
i don't mind Ullar or King, but i'm going to be fucking raging if either of them flip town since it's 100% their own fault they're being lynched and mafia only needs a few more kills to literally cripple this town's activity
 
i think moody started off today well but his recent posts have been a bit shakey to me, unsure if it's just because i don't agree with his methods. I'll always lynch my #1 scumread unless i can't make it happen (i still want Hitmon dead but Ullar/King are grey areas i just cant be arsed dealing with anymore)
 
Moody, Jalmont ISO is pointless now that's he's known scum.

I was wrong about Haruno, but I don't think my stance about prioritizing a useless distraction over scumhunting was wrong. D1 was not the time to talk about setup spec because there was nothing to talk about.
 
Though Jalmont's interactions are something to consider. Let me transpose my notes on him

NOTE: I didn't properly track read pivots in these sets of lists, so there might be one or two mixed in with the reads I wasn't sure about.

Players with a Townread on Jalmont
Moody (?)
Walrein (slight lean)

Players with a scumread on Jalmont
Asek (?)
Hawkie
Blaz
Paper

Players with a nullread on Jalmont
Former (?)
Moody (?)
Texas
Ullar
Asek (?)
Hitmon
King

Players who Jalmont Townread

Moody

Players who Jalmont scumread

Asek
Texas
Haruno

Players who Jalmont nullread

Texas (?)
King
Ullar
 
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