NOC Matrix 12 NOC - Game Over, Mafia Wins

[Yeti]

on p4 i feel like fh is doing exactly what i expect him to as town in his posts. ppl usually find him scummy for these posts but i see it as par for the course for town!fh. my problems with the slot seem to start once id comes in.

texas is p good up to this point. i think he could be right that hawkie is kind of noobtowny in some of these posts i dislike rather than actual scum. its after this when the mind meldy stuff starts my skim led me to scumread texas then.

that said hawkie does act like he intentionally has said things for reaction testing which im not sure inexperienced town does. hm

 

[Yeti]

Yo Hawkie after I made my second post I literally went to sleep so you can chill out lol. That said I loved you in that one NOC you were in here and it's good to see you back.

This is town Walrein. Maybe like 70% confidence since he seems to be motivated in the abstract and I haven't seen a scumgame from him in a while.

Willing to bet this is town Hawkie too, I like the balls so far.

Asek's post volume early breaks better for him on town games so like maybe 55% there.

Nothing stands out as suspicious as of yet.

seems like a buddy post from blazade since this is all positive stuff about ppl. iunno. just feels odd to me from townzade

 

[Thetwinmasters]

Votecount
Hitmonleet (3): Blazade, Pancake, Ironic Double
Yeti (2): Hitmonleet, Josh
Josh (1): Texas Cloverleaf

Not Voting (7): Hawkie, KnightsofCydonia, Moodycloud, Asek, Yeti, Fort Colorcastle, Empoof

 

[Yeti]

for all the people who bitch about haruno i think fh might be a better policy lynch

dislike this sentiment

i find policy lynches a total waste of time.

what info are you going to get from lynching someone who always looks scummy? most ppl in the game will scumread them bc their town meta is to simply post rly scummy stuff fsr.

fh had some traction in votes at this point so i rly dislike josh making this post, again feels very easy of a target

 

[Josh]

dislike this sentiment

i find policy lynches a total waste of time.

what info are you going to get from lynching someone who always looks scummy? most ppl in the game will scumread them bc their town meta is to simply post rly scummy stuff fsr.

fh had some traction in votes at this point so i rly dislike josh making this post, again feels very easy of a target

that was literally not suggesting he be lynched or relevant to the game, it was saying fh has more grounds to be policy lynched than harunos. considering I'm strongly against policy lynching as a whole and always defend haruno it's actually so funny you're trying to call this out.

 

[Josh]

yeti you keep trying to fake progression to make your vote on me look more believable just go ahead and do it we all know it's coming

 

[Yeti]

i don't like haruno's play style ever but let's not get caught up on that

there was someone talking about how Jalmont found some dinky scum argument against him, and there were much better things to call him out on? that guy is scum. gonna go back and find him.

walrein still feels like he's getting into that sweet spot of saying enough and not too much to avoid any hard reads, but that hasn't stopped folks from townreading him.

is Blazade in this game? he's Innocent child if so, if not then Uncle Sam is Mafia Role Blocker.

half this post is nonsense but the first line is actually like Useful to town mindset and i dont think shubaka says this as mafia.

however he kind of defends jalmont here and votes asek for scumreading jalmont (i think). iunno the rest of the post isnt that great but the first line screams town to me. shubaka's so inactive in nocs he wouldnt bother to say that as mafia.

also kind of doubt the scumteam is shubaka/asek/jalmont just doesnt make a ton of sense as a triangle here; if 1 of shubaka/asek flips scum (and i doubt either will) id be extremely reticent to ever vote the other.

 

[Yeti]

When is rebooting activity via vote most likely to succeed and what responses do you expect after it happens?

im kinda with jalmont here in "i dont know" like what is knights even trying to do?

idk i almost wonder if knights keeps coming up with these game meta strat things like chainsaw defense or w/e nobody else either gets or cares about to Look town but rly hes just saying stuff nobody else is gonna engage with. and then he gets to say he made speculative town-minded posts without really getting into it with anyone

 

[Yeti]

shubaka is town

vote walrus

agree with first part

think this vote on walrein sucks esp after walrein's latest post had called josh out. feels omgus. idk why anyone would've been scumreading walrein t this point in the game.

 

[Yeti]

what are you talking a bout where did shubaka claim a setup how would shubaka know what setup we're playing.

why are you even talking about the setup please stop unvote vote haruno

hmmmmmmm this seems like a hard defense of shubaka. i dont normally see jalmont as like DONT TALK TO ME OR MY SON EVER AGAIN jumpy as he feels here.

knowing jalmont is scum i get some suspicion for the shub slot.

 

[Yeti]

Vote jalmont

I asked earlier, how would you describe your playstyle this game as compared to previous nocs? The same? More aggro? More passive?

townie vote

find it Odd on the same page josh AND texas both decide to state they want asek in their townpile tho

 

[Yeti]

there's a difference between a scum sided setup and a retarded wincon

everyone who lynched me in deathnote was stupid as shit, youreparticualrly a large part of me popping to ms

there's a difference between relevant meta and quoting random stuff to insult someone

there's a difference between contributing to a game and randomly posting - especially since you called me a town lean and still are going hard at this angle

there's a difference between being good at mafia and being king

there's a difference between being town and being king

you're getting roped today and I'm tunnelling you until that happens. particularly because of the underlined.

*Mic drop*

iunno dude i think you were insulting king just as much yet you want to play the victim he was insulting you and needed to be lynched for it.

if you're town your retard tunneling is a really bad problem and makes you just as unhelpful as king in how you totally derail things. sitting there whining king insulted you while you also insulted him and he just NEEDS to be roped for that is NOT helping town.

you and he are both unhelpful to your team as town just in different ways.

get a new strategy or something because the retard tunnels = the juicy L for village

 

[Josh]

let's play a drinking game

every time yeru says retard tunnel we take a shot

 

[Josh]

btw I know when tunnelling is bad. it's not here.

 

[Josh]

nobody in this game is going to lynch you if I don't, you're obv scum and idrc what others see

 

[Yeti]

Josh, stop it. Just fucking stop. For a moment, I actually thought you were going for some sort of noble gambit, right up until you kept on talking out your ass.

are you kings partner?

josh is gonna claim he was JUST JOSHIN hehe xd

but lets be real someone steps in to this idiot tunnel and josh's first reaction is "KINGS PARTNER"

he kind of did the same thing with me and we know king was town now.

unclesam did this same kind of dumb crap where anyone trying to defend or explain noobtown would get accused of being their scumbuddy and he also derailed lynches and made the game dumber for tunneling on that.. until the noobtown flipped village, surprise surprise if he hadn't gotten it into his head they MUST be scumbuddies.

dunno why smogon villages are STILL wasting their time on this. at some point the noobtown tunnels and crucifying anyone who takes pause at said tunnels needs to stop. its not productive.

 

[Yeti]

tfw you have to remind yourself that god loves him anyway

lmfao

further texas/jalmont interactions that make me go town!texas with scum!jalmont's flip

mebbe im being played.

doubtful.

jalmont usually feels too lone wolfy to stage this kind of minispat in a noc.

 

[Asek]

spicy besip

 

[Yeti]

haruno reacts the same as he does when he's scum and i talk about his shitty play style. haruno overreacts to a throwaway comment about setup that i honestly thought was impossible. ullar subs in. asek continues to be scum. josh town reads me and is probably just trying to get on my good side.

unvote asek vote blazade

i wish shubaka had said why he votes blazade here when he says asek is his scumread but unvotes him.

that said again i dont think scum shubaka takes the time to try and clarify about haruno. shubaka's just not really Motivated enough to have taken the time, as scum, to try and gain towncred off defending haruno/saying he's a probable mislynch. he'd just let the mislynch happen.

def getting a stronger tr on shubaka based off the haruno interactions.

 

[Yeti]

hmmmm when i was skimming before i found asek's longer posts on p10 townie but now that i reread them closely

theres a lot of commentary on Spicy stuff that has absolutely nothing to do with the game itself.

id say about half of it is actual game-relevant observations and half of it is just irrelevant reactions that make the posts look longer.

its like the 244-250 range of posts ppl can go back for themselves and see what they think.

asek feels more active and chatty than in popcorn as town but now im feeling like half of that isnt really genuine gametalk but filler.

 

[Asek]

spicy besip

 

[Yeti]

ok so the main part of that is the flooding and ensuing lack of content in the flood. shit like that gets a warn on PS bc of how annoying it is to deal with. he's trolled some votes thrown at him, he's "responded" to p much everything we say about and to him with memes and no responses, and feels like he's trying to not gonna provide anything except a source of comedic relief.

contrast this to josh, who at least provides some form of reads with his posts, while still memeing. it's one of those things where i can read Josh's posts and take something away from them, while i read asek's posts and find myself wasting time.

wow i just said this myself before i got to this post. agree but i think josh's posts are just toxic raging whenever someone scumreads him.

blazade's bigpost on p11 has a lot of stuff i agree with and Sounds like town blazade would make it including the anger about idling cucks.

i like a lot of blazade's reads but i feel like he has Too Many TownReads and not enough scum. he goes onto moody here so i would make a gander that he's not scum with moody? this does kick off a bit of moody wagon sheeping. i think p11 should be checked out heavily at the point moody is a serious contender for the lynch or strong townread.

 

[Yeti]

I don't have a "better" wagon right now but I'm not liking this one, seems like we're settling for King a bit too casually there. As far as gut read goes I'd lynch Knights, people who have a lot of interactions and would provide info aren't players I'd coin toss lynch d1 either.
We can only mislynch three times before things get ugly so let's aim for a lynch that brings info in the worst case scenario of them flipping town. If you can demonstrate how King is a good lynch and not just you tunneling your read I could get behind it but I'm not signing you a blank cheque here.

i wish moody would be a bit more Present and active here. i get hes not on board the king lynch but he doesnt make much of a case for knights lynch or anyone else. idk i know hes newer to mafia but i rly wish he would put his foot down a bit more and try and build a case esp if he thinks the current wagon is Bad. it makes it hard to read his slot when hes not putting down strong ties to anyone

asek and ullar have readposts on this (12) page; i generally agree with them? i think ullar most notably votes hawkie whereas i would never have at this point in the game.

i kind of agree with asek that leet's posts don't strike me the same way they seem to read to other ppl.

 

[Yeti]

if king flips scum moody is partner

do u think anyone who didnt just auto-vote king is his partner?????????

jesus im p sure by josh's logic there are more king partners than mafia possible.

again anyone who defends or doesnt agree with your top scumread is not automatically their partner FailFish

 

[Yeti]

Ok, life (and my FATE campaign) has finally stopped being a problem, so now I have the time to make a big post.

First, I'm going to make a quick thoughts post:
Asek - Gut Town due to how he's using a lot of evidence in his posts. I don't exactly think his support off King as a lynch is the best idea, but given his reason for actually doing it, I'm inclined to think he's probably town trying to get people to discuss and debate.

Josh - He's still posting really short posts and one-liners, which just feels kind of odd to me, what with how I'm used to seeing him play. Scumlean.

Jalmont & Aubisio - Who? Where did these guys go? Do they even have the minimum 5 posts? (Ignore the fact that I haven't made 5 posts yet)

Hawkie - I really don't know with this guy. He's pretty confident and aggressive in his thoughts, which is exactly how I'd expect Josh to be. He might be coached, but that's really unlikely, imo. Null, scumread if Josh is scum.

Blazade - I don't know his meta either, which makes me a bit confused as to what to read him. His posts are a bit aggressive and demeaning, which, unlike Hawkie, rub me the wrong way. He does bring up valid points tho. Gut Scum.

Texas - He's pointing things out, and although his rationale does have me a bit bemused atm, I'm feeling a bit confident in him being Town.

Ullar - Is Ullar. Gut Ullar, aka ??????

Haruno - He's like he normally plays. I get how people scumread him for it out of policy, but I think this Haruno is town. I watched him play scum in OCNOC, and this is subtly different. He isn't aggressively pushing something specific, he's spreading the love. Town Lean.

Former Hope - In just about every game I'm in, I manage to somehow clash with FH over something over a misunderstanding, so gut town atm. His actual posts are, honestly, not too memorable to me.

King - I want to say this is Town!King, I honestly do. His more meme-y types of posts and one-liners are prevalent in the thread, and he's being active, at the least. Town Lean.

Paperblade - Paperblade is paperblade. I really haven't found anything that stands out to me (I literally can't remember any contributions he's made to discussion, but I might have just missed it). It makes me think he's trying to mostly just pass by in the night without being scrutinized. Scumlean.

Knights - He's trying. He's bringing up topics, making reads, and overall playing like I'd expect him to play. Plus, he hasn't tried to RQS! *Town*.

Moody - Another person who I honestly can't remember too well. Null.

Anyways, it's late over here, so I'll be back in the morning, and talk about:

• Asek
• Hawkie
• The King lynch
• Why Josh sux (jkjk)
• Anything I'm forgetting

im gonn abe annoying and quote this whole post bc im not rly sure what to make of it

i want to say leet nulls too many people but then i reread it and he does take a stand one way or another ??? i guess its bc he has a lot of leans hes not very sure on.

hes also spot on that despite haruno and king's janky behavior and ppl pushing them, both are town. he could know this as mafia and be saying it to look better in retrospect but was anyone ever gonna remember or read this post? until i did kek.

im p sure hes not gonna do Anything with those townreads for the rest of this day/game or stand up for them but then again why bother when josh is just gonna call you king's partner if you say "im not sure this is a good lynch" kek