NOC Matrix 12 NOC - Game Over, Mafia Wins

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I'm back sorry for idling yesterday /: was busy, please don't even come close to hammering leet yet



Perhaps ironicdouble or leet, but I'm pretty sure you are scum, your reason for voting king_ yesterday was sheeping josh. However, what you failed to note in your post was that hitmonleet was your top scumread, and you reference pressuring him in your argument multiple times today. this leads me to believe that perhaps voting hitmonleet was just a cover. additionally many of your posts lack any content whatsoever, i remember citing post 856 as an attempt to sound intelligent that is just stating the main mechanics of mafia. you don't even explain why you don't scumread me anymore lol, perhaps the king_ flip? but yeah

oh hey bb.

I'm going to quote the texas stuff in a second, tell me how you feel about them
 
I'm back sorry for idling yesterday /: was busy, please don't even come close to hammering leet yet



Perhaps ironicdouble or leet, but I'm pretty sure you are scum, your reason for voting king_ yesterday was sheeping josh. However, what you failed to note in your post was that hitmonleet was your top scumread, and you reference pressuring him in your argument multiple times today. this leads me to believe that perhaps voting hitmonleet was just a cover. additionally many of your posts lack any content whatsoever, i remember citing post 856 as an attempt to sound intelligent that is just stating the main mechanics of mafia. you don't even explain why you don't scumread me anymore lol, perhaps the king_ flip? but yeah
I explained why I don't scum read you like 600 posts ago lol, it was that I decided my initial scum read on you was mostly OMGUS because the reasoning for your read was awful.

I'm well aware that I had hitmonleet listed as my top scum read yesterday, I've gone into detail on this topic several times today which you can see in my iso. In quick summary: king had to die because he can't escape a lynch on late day wagon shifts multiple times, I think it's important to work with your town reads in addition to aggressively pursuing your scum reads, hitmonleet and King were both on the strongest tier of scumminess, and my primary motivation for jumping on the hitmonleet wagon was to see how people reacted to that late wagon so get information on dispositions, resistance, compliance, etc.

So if you're team reading me with ironicdouble or hitmonleet you must think one or both of them is scum right? Who do you think could be their partners in context of jalmont as a known partner? What things do you think would point to them as partners to me or as scum individually?


in unrelated news Unvote Vote IronicDouble
 
Jalmont, how would you describe your approach this game as compared to your past noc behaviour? Do you feel you're playing a more aggro game or the same?
Vote jalmont

I asked earlier, how would you describe your playstyle this game as compared to previous nocs? The same? More aggro? More passive?

I feel like I want to scum read jalmont but I don't, I think he just seemed scummy because he thinks I'm scum
my thoughts exactly, feels pretty likely one of jalmont/king/knights is scum

hint hint
Unvote Vote Hitmonleet

deadline in 1.5h btw, people need to start placing votes especially when they've been viewing the thread (hi jalmont)

Texas side of a couple Jalmont interactions. Click the arrows to get full posts if you want them, i clipped jalmont things.

pancake curious your conclusion
 
I explained why I don't scum read you like 600 posts ago lol, it was that I decided my initial scum read on you was mostly OMGUS because the reasoning for your read was awful.

I'm well aware that I had hitmonleet listed as my top scum read yesterday, I've gone into detail on this topic several times today which you can see in my iso. In quick summary: king had to die because he can't escape a lynch on late day wagon shifts multiple times, I think it's important to work with your town reads in addition to aggressively pursuing your scum reads, hitmonleet and King were both on the strongest tier of scumminess, and my primary motivation for jumping on the hitmonleet wagon was to see how people reacted to that late wagon so get information on dispositions, resistance, compliance, etc.

So if you're team reading me with ironicdouble or hitmonleet you must think one or both of them is scum right? Who do you think could be their partners in context of jalmont as a known partner? What things do you think would point to them as partners to me or as scum individually?


in unrelated news Unvote Vote IronicDouble

that's a better response than I expected but the second half feels like a lotta filler, i've explained my reasoning for ironic and hitmon many, many times, just search my posts in the thread, I don't feel the need to go over them again because it's basically the same thing. also empoof i find those a little weird because he's like jal/king/knights are my scumreads but decides to vote hitmonleet instead, very similar to yesterday. I'd like to see a hitmonleet flip because it will definitely influence my opinion on texas.

would like to note that this is 99% empoof town meta and he's been pretty helpful so far, definitely a town read for me
 
that's a better response than I expected but the second half feels like a lotta filler, i've explained my reasoning for ironic and hitmon many, many times, just search my posts in the thread, I don't feel the need to go over them again because it's basically the same thing. also empoof i find those a little weird because he's like jal/king/knights are my scumreads but decides to vote hitmonleet instead, very similar to yesterday. I'd like to see a hitmonleet flip because it will definitely influence my opinion on texas.

would like to note that this is 99% empoof town meta and he's been pretty helpful so far, definitely a town read for me
idk what you want if you think that's filler, I'm trying to work with you here
 
I'm down with pressuring ironic double for more and better posts with votes.

I also want hitmonleet to post better on his own. If he lurks again now that votes are coming off him I think he's the lynch today. I can only excuse so many actions when I don't necessarily scumread from the posts and I am really not feeling like leet has townie votes or activity. Off wagon d1 no d2 vote I don't even remember why he's voted me today but that's also bad.

I feel like the problem is a lot of people have scumread or voted him. To the point where your own stronger scumread probably also scumread him. So like... at what point do you consider hard bussing versus he's another free mislynch in the mafia's eyes?

Especially with how early some ppl were voting him.

Empoof do you think hitmonleet is mafia if blazade is and tried to wagon him d1?
 
Off of that I think a blazade hawkie leet scum team is virtually impossible. There's just no way both other remaining members tried to vote leet d1 and have been harping on him since.

In the also unlikely situation 2 of these 3 are scum I would never lynch the other.

Hawkie is most likely town of the 3
Blazade most likely scum
Hitmonleet is somewhere in the middle of why tf do you miss every EoD
 
I'm down with pressuring ironic double for more and better posts with votes.

I also want hitmonleet to post better on his own. If he lurks again now that votes are coming off him I think he's the lynch today. I can only excuse so many actions when I don't necessarily scumread from the posts and I am really not feeling like leet has townie votes or activity. Off wagon d1 no d2 vote I don't even remember why he's voted me today but that's also bad.

I feel like the problem is a lot of people have scumread or voted him. To the point where your own stronger scumread probably also scumread him. So like... at what point do you consider hard bussing versus he's another free mislynch in the mafia's eyes?

Especially with how early some ppl were voting him.

Empoof do you think hitmonleet is mafia if blazade is and tried to wagon him d1?

Why is being "off wagon" scummy? I thought there was a better lynch in Josh atm, so I was lynching him.
 
I dislike how the alternative to the Hitmonleet wagon appears to be Ironic double, I might want to just flip Blazade today and look at the people who pushed on Ironicdouble afterwards (I'm undecisive about Pancake, if Blazade flips scum I probably lynch that slot since he's been pushing the Ironic/Hitmonleet lynch pool)
 
knights is still questioning because he knows deep down I'm town
"Not sure" doesn't mean I've suddenly rocketed you up to lockTown. My general impression of you is you're good at engaging people in a way that seems chill and open. This might suggest Townieness, but your intro is really grating.

Like Ed Asner said to Mary Tyler Moore, you've got spunk. I hate spunk. Specifically, this "lolnah" spunk you're trying to use to deflect any previous suspicions on the slot. There is nothing suggesting that Shubaka promising activity and then disappearing at the end of D1 and not showing up at all for D2 is Townie. What little we have from Shubaka is hypocrisy, an unexplained disappearance, and a scumtell that is officially documented as pretty damn scummy behavior.

You're still in my scumreads. You're not going to budge from there. I may ditch a stalled wagon because it gets overlooked and another scumread is gaining traction, but I'm not going to just ignore the fact that Shubaka was scummy and then he was gone and now you're trying to paint over it.

vote Empoof
 
I dislike how the alternative to the Hitmonleet wagon appears to be Ironic double, I might want to just flip Blazade today and look at the people who pushed on Ironicdouble afterwards (I'm undecisive about Pancake, if Blazade flips scum I probably lynch that slot since he's been pushing the Ironic/Hitmonleet lynch pool)
An alternativ hasn't been established yet, this is the discovery period of that alternative
 
I think Empoof's lockTown was from his own perspective. I don't really like that you called the people who found your slot scummy "confused" and "not sure". You're not lockTown by any means from the town POV.

I think I'd be ok with asek/hawkie/moody

actually uh....
Hawkie I cannot read at all fsr. Seems like hyperenergetic town?
 
An alternativ hasn't been established yet, this is the discovery period of that alternative
Pancake's iso has 2 posts where he implies that today's lynch is between Ironicdouble and Hitmonleet, while Ironicdouble is straight up tunneling leet. I believe one of Pancake/Ironicdouble to be scum and Pancake pointing at those 2 when Blazade is being discussed as a potential lynch make them likely partners if Blazade flips scum imo
 
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