NOC Matrix 12 NOC - Game Over, Mafia Wins

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I still feel like knights might be playing a town game, but I'm not sure.
It's more a case of "idk about knights" while the other two I have a hard time seeing as town.

uhhhh
I'd be more comfortable with a pancake lynch than an ID lynch honestly
If I were to place knights with one of the two, I'd say pancake probably.


https://kh-vids.net/threads/makazes-script-shop-requests-open.146540/#ExpandedSearchResults

https://kh-vids.net/threads/makazes-script-shop-requests-open.146540/#IsolatePostsbyUser

because xenforo has the worst seach UI function known to man

I'm debating learning how to write code so that we get a more mafia friendly interface here but that's for another day

xenforo allows you to search for "posted by user" but doesn't allow expanding of those results. However, opening the pages is an ok thing to do cine you only gotta do it for wallposts (cos smallposts show up in their entirety)
 
im gonna argue against every possible scumteam considering none of them are true but

it'd at least have made a more compelling argument than me and blazade or hawkie both of which are just not sensible partners

i Get you think youre gonna be the big hero nailing the last two scum but 1 choice i know is town and is yet another fail hero play, 1 is p heavily townread and 1 i think makes a lot less sense as leet's teammate than he did pushing leet for an ez mislynch so i think you're just straight wrong
 
rereading blazade's posts he seemed to have Intention to go after some reads beyond leet then never actually does assume due to speedrun

he scumread ullar and continued to scumread/cast shade at me so you would have to believe a team of yeti/leet/jalmont/blazade actually had blazade (hard) bussing two of them and then kind of wimping out and nulling jalmont.

he also scumread knights (1288) and doesnt like the fort slot (1301)

blazade as scum is a micromanager i believe? so you would also have to contend that he gets leet and flyhn assigned to him and rather than help them out or police them he decides to scumread both slots and profit off their lynch. then ullar subs in and gets into rere fights with people and blazade doesnt seem to ever talk him down? maybe blazade felt defeatist that jalmont d1 is always "idgaf lol d1 sux" and he had idleboi flyhn and leet but i really dont find that characteristic of blazade, at all, who as scum in amnesiac played a hardcore "i gotta believe im town" game until the bitter end even as it was SUPER obvious he was the maf hooker.

he doesnt reevaluate his scumread on my slot when i come in, either, which if he thought he was gonna get towncred for bussing his weaker 2 members off, you'd think he'd kinda pull back on that when i come in and he'd tell me to bus leet with him.

http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/matrix-12-noc-day-4.3602966/page-49#post-7350969
the asek/blazade exchange raises an interesting point that blazade didnt push his leet wagon anywhere but i guess given blazades overall inactivity its not inconsistent? i have reason to dislike it though. sort of in the same way knights parks his votes on useless targets, blazade plops down onto common scumread leet and it takes 2 more days to actually get him lynched. so in a way blazade just 'let' the haruno/king(/ullar) wagons form around his scumread. and we know blazade COULD form an argument if he wanted to.

townreads both shubaka and empoof halves of the slot 1248

blazade will interact with poof a lot but his actual statements about how he reads ppl in the game are far and few between when i scroll through his posts. or have the "id go after the actives of (list) if i wanted to pursue that avenue" which feels conditional in him even saying he'd go down that road that he never does (due to stated speed running)

empoof calls blazade out for putting leet at l-1 on d2 and then for not knowing its l-1 (p44). Empoof THOUGHTS on moody doing the same thing on d3?

man rereading the josh attack on me around the same time these posts are So Bad. within the same post i enter with a FOS onto people and then i'm pushing those people. tinfoiling if josh was jked it actually stopped him from killING not being killed KEK

anw back to blazade

"Knights posting a bunch of busywork data is not something I think should be indicative of real town activity until he does something with it." 1004

i think this post was in response to me townreading knights for his contributions. its interesting blazade the guy who gambled popcorn on his math door bs finds the data to be not town indicative. he does have a point that knights has never pushed a relevant wagon. he scumread empoof and went on him but in the face of otherwise pretty consensus townreads onto the slot that was kind of a dead push.

d1 knights ends up voting haruno
d2 knights tunnels shubaka until he votes leet
d3 MORE empoof tunneling, no leet vote

he was fine voting leet d2 but then just sits on empoof all d3 :thinking:

"I won't forget. I've commented on it and I'll remember it in the future. Like I said I'm not pursuing that today but shubaka isn't contributing so the read is decaying" 975

hm i feel like this is somewhat inconsistent with his later claim he has "nothing to complain about" from the slot but here he replies to knights wanting shubaka looked into for surprise surprise the chainsaw defense.

moody townread (845) dislike for knights but not willing to lynch (837)

i think blazade has shown some antagonism towards the ullar and knights slots all game. im tired and going to bed so im not gonna go back farther than these posts to see his even earlier reads but

i think there are a lot of wasted posts in a blazade iso. stuff with no Real content and certainly with no driving points for a lynch. he just kinda plops his vote onto hitmonleet and says "this guys scummy!" on d2/d3. blazade has voted both king and leet and both did get lynched but not really due to him in any part and he also wasnt voting either at EoD. his only real 'failed' wagon is his d1 ullar wagon participation.

im gonna sleep on this. blazade has some good posts and points but some of his reads feel crafted for whatever suits him better (agreeing with knights that knights' scumread of shubaka should be checked out then telling empoof he thinks theres nothing to complain about) at the time he's asked about them. others like leet and ullar are consistent. he also has a lot of posts that do nothing to solve the game or progress it.

gonna sleep hope 2 wake up to some juicy lightwolf posts and eager 2 c what preposterous scumbuddy i get suggested with by someone who feels threatened by my mafia skills on a deep and personal level
 
13. Texas Cloverleaf
16. Josh
10. MoodyCloud
5. KnightsofCydonia

7. Paperblade->Pancake
15. Aubisio->Da Letter El->Fort Colorcastle
10. MoodyCloud
12. Asek
9. Former Hope->Ironic Double
3. Blazade->Lightwolf

hey! sorry i wasn't here last lylo, way too drunk to post. Probably a good thing because i was starting to get the feelings Hitmon was just another town mislynch and probably would've tried to shift it. Can i just say D1 reads on point 2 scum pushed via moi xo

Texas is basically town as fuck from my POV. If he's the last remaining scum he doesn't start to prepare a scumread on the most universally read town who barring night kills would probably make it to LYLO. Asek + Moody are grey areas for me, they've both been very strong posters.. at points. Asek being against the Hitmon lynch doesn't bode well for their alignment but they way they outright defended him does. Scum!Asek doesn't try to keep their mafia goon partner alive whilst implicating themselves when Hitmonleet wasn't really worth saving (from Asek's POV IMO). I think they're much more likely to be one of the biggest advocates of the lynch as scum as Asek/Hitmonleet had plenty of time to come up with something as he pretty much knew wasn't living much longer.

Pancake I still read as town he's just not as invested this game but is a sub so.. lol. Their posting style comes off as "pretentious" sometimes and can lead to them being scumread but this game i don't think that's the case.

I love Knights so much like I don't even know why so my read on him would be biased towards town.

The subs are yet again another grey area (fuck this game). Although they're both from my home turf so it's easier to read them. Fort is pretty much town imo, he's caused quite quite a stir and hasn't been afraid to be vocal around the big town players. ID has been very, well useless tbh! He's trying to play this game like a real-time one and it just doesn't work that way lol. All the complaints about how people do things here and whatever else he's went on about basically feels like big steaming pot of filler to me. That can come from scum or town

If Blazade isn't a PR he's scum

LYNCHPOOL Ironic Double > Lightwolf > Asek > Moody
 
in my heatlist ignore the green 10. Moody i don't TR him, i copied the list from Empoof's read and was pretty bad w/ copypasting but that's the only mistake barring empoof isn't on there but i TR them and godbless them
 
I mean... there's really nothing I can do to prevent my lynch lol
My wagonomics are shit (was on both mislynches, NOT on the scum lynch)
my posting record is shit (the whole jalmont lynch fail >:| + empoof read)
my posting times are shit (haven't been nearly as active as I would love to be in both reading and posting)

is empoof now uncc'd town?

I guess I'll post reads?

???? is he basically conftown or did I misread his claim earlier?:
empoof

scumread:
---

scumlean:
IronicDouble
pancake

null:
knights

townlean:
Asek

townmiddling:
lightwolf
josh
moodycloud

townread:
Yeti
Texas
Hawkie

myself:
fort


>.< I don't actually see "fcc" and think "me" rip but so many people use it
defestism when you have 2 votes. (cwl)
 
13. Texas Cloverleaf
16. Josh

10. MoodyCloud
5. KnightsofCydonia

7. Paperblade->Pancake
15. Aubisio->Da Letter El->Fort Colorcastle

10. MoodyCloud
12. Asek

9. Former Hope->Ironic Double
3. Blazade->Lightwolf


hey! sorry i wasn't here last lylo, way too drunk to post. Probably a good thing because i was starting to get the feelings Hitmon was just another town mislynch and probably would've tried to shift it. Can i just say D1 reads on point 2 scum pushed via moi xo

Texas is basically town as fuck from my POV. If he's the last remaining scum he doesn't start to prepare a scumread on the most universally read town who barring night kills would probably make it to LYLO. Asek + Moody are grey areas for me, they've both been very strong posters.. at points. Asek being against the Hitmon lynch doesn't bode well for their alignment but they way they outright defended him does. Scum!Asek doesn't try to keep their mafia goon partner alive whilst implicating themselves when Hitmonleet wasn't really worth saving (from Asek's POV IMO). I think they're much more likely to be one of the biggest advocates of the lynch as scum as Asek/Hitmonleet had plenty of time to come up with something as he pretty much knew wasn't living much longer.

Pancake I still read as town he's just not as invested this game but is a sub so.. lol. Their posting style comes off as "pretentious" sometimes and can lead to them being scumread but this game i don't think that's the case.

I love Knights so much like I don't even know why so my read on him would be biased towards town.

The subs are yet again another grey area (fuck this game). Although they're both from my home turf so it's easier to read them. Fort is pretty much town imo, he's caused quite quite a stir and hasn't been afraid to be vocal around the big town players. ID has been very, well useless tbh! He's trying to play this game like a real-time one and it just doesn't work that way lol. All the complaints about how people do things here and whatever else he's went on about basically feels like big steaming pot of filler to me. That can come from scum or town

If Blazade isn't a PR he's scum

LYNCHPOOL Ironic Double > Lightwolf > Asek > Moody
do not like this post =*
 
if josh is scum hes taken A Lot Of Attention and risks i guess he was very active in popcorn i find him more town. im also p confident hawkie is town

moody and asek are about the same level of probtown but moody slightly higher if only bc i think asek is a bigger threat (sorry moody ur a qt babby learning tho!)

im questioning my stance on pancake but not yet moving him down to scum

i have lw and id as not-really-scumreads who are on the same level of "need rereading and reconsideration in light of scum!leet conf" but if you put a gun to my head id say pancake was town before id say they are atm

texas's relationships with jalmont and leet say not-mafia but his other posts say this is shady and opportunistic

knights has moved down a lot, i am starting to see a pattern of parking his vote in useless places and his tunnels onto my townreads arent a good look

fcc is skating by under the radar and i want to grill this slot today

vote fort colorcastle
self spec time xD

Josh was the reason leet wasn't lynched d2. imagine thst from scum!josh pov. switching rapidly and then tagging 2 people (presumably townies in this scenario) to follow you off the scum lynch literally last second, ending the day with leet just being 1 vote short. that's like... dunno... not good odds I guess? the scenario doesn't even happen if both players aren't online and don't both comply with no second guess. o well.
 
lel no deaths again very good jorb

also how is it possible its been a midnight and the morning of HUMP DAY and already 5 pages in feelsbd

i like how leet flipped scum tho good job town for actually lynching him if you noticed his bad tactics

ill make reads later i gotta study for exams so i keep my posts like this
 
I'm also okay with a Moody lynch today and maybe a Fort lynch if someone can show me that there has been scum stealthing going on. We've got a big enough margin of advantage that I could accept my own lynch.

citations wanted

"X is worse at abc, so why not lynch X instead?"
oh and by the way this post from ironic double feels oppurtunisitic
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/matrix-12-noc-day-3.3602966/page-57#post-7353253

this guy is on the same levle if not worse the hitmonleet when it comes to producing content rn why arent people all over him?

lets see where this goes

VOTE IRONICDOUBLE


"these widely Townread players are suspicious for scumreading him"
i should state its just confusing to me how such a large group of players have come to the conclusion that hitmonleet is scummy when he hasnt done anything to cause such a concensus

like how did 4 'good' (hawkie, josh, tex, and blazade) all come to the conclusion he was scum? how did they all flip so quickly in the face of a wagon change? things just dont add up here.


"get in here and do stuff or i will scumread you"
Hitmonleet do not dodge this cycle otherwise im going to have to agree with your accusers at this point

please explain the scumteam of josh / yeti - texas - pancake
 
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