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NOC What A Bastard (GAME OVER)

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You believe that DLE is the serial killer yes? Which by definition is a single player faction.

Explain to me why it isn't the best play to lynch you and check against the existence of a mafia faction before lynching DLE which, if you're correct, ends the game
 
Because as you know winning as a wolf is extremely hard and also as you know, such roles are usually made to be pretty strong and OP to help them accomplish that.

Which is why, now that all vanilla towns are dead, it looks like a goal has been met and the scum have likely just got a bonus.
 
All this looks like is LYLO and mafia desperation to get one last person lynched to win the game

Which is exactly why we don't lynch the SK until after we check for mafia

Because if we don't lynch mafia today and mafia exists, we lose.
 
Okay, Texas Cloverleaf if I'm mafia. Who are my teammates? Because the way it's set, if I did have teammates in this condition, there's no way for mafia to lose. So seriously, give it up and play to win instead of stalling out the game longer with useless theories that make no sense

But there is no mafia. Because Acid's role exists, because role actions make no sense for a mafia and because the game itself is clearly oriented towards cult and SK and not mafia.
 
Not to mention, I have the same defense DLE is putting up, except better. If I'm mafia I never claim roleblocker, I would instead claim VT or something and use my roleblocks to push a lynch on champ, because that is an ideal play as mafia and claiming rb as mafia is straight up a bad play.
 
I've literally already talked about this

If you're mafia then champ is your partner because the two town flips are role stoppers and you claim roleblocker to protect champ's roleblocker claim and push the "host loves duality" narrative based on the other flips we've seen; fenrir is the third scum because ascetic is a hugely inherent scum role
 
Former Hope said:
So seriously, give it up and play to win instead of stalling out the game longer with useless theories that make no sense
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Are you kidding me right now?

Lynching DLE is playing to lose. If DLE is a serial killer he can be lynched at any time and town wins. If you are a mafia and we lynch DLE town loses. Ergo we lynch you before lynching DLE.

It's literally that simple.
 
Okay, having taken a bit to calm down. The argument for a mafia hinges around one huge thing.

VigilanteVigoroth said:
Dear Acidpheonix,

You are the Tentacled Psychiatrist!

Each night, you may pm me CURE [PLAYER]
If your target is a Serial Killer, they will become a Vanilla Townie

When inspected by the Conspiracy Theorist, you will be found guilty

You are sided with the Town, and win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated
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To believe a mafia exists is to say that Vigvig hated Acid so much that he gave them a role that is both useless, and a miller

Now Texas, I know you are a good player who is good with deductions and being paranoid enough to figure out deceptions. But you know as well as I that Vigvig doing that to Acid doesn't make sense. Just like you know that if DLE isn't the SK that either you or I will probably die tonight. So my question to you is, if DLE isn't the SK, who do you think is?
 
Former Hope said:
So my question to you is, if DLE isn't the SK, who do you think is?
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This question isn't meaningful. DLE is the only person I seriously believe to be a serial killer. Viper is the only other possible option. Even if I am 100% convinced DLE is the serial killer it is still correct play to lynch you.
 
I mean, assuming there is a mafia and an SK would be weird with the 1 kill a night.

Not to mention, given that for information we rely on you and you don't have the ability to do so consistently implies that we can't be dealing with that many scum or this game probably wouldn't have been approved (ie cult + sk + mafia).
 
i.e. given a 7 man set up where the numbers are 3 town, 3 mafia, 1 serial killer the only winning play for town is to lynch a mafia and have the sk hit a mafia
 
Let me also explain my point, I feel 90% confident that DLE is the SK and 100% confident that we only have an SK remaining.

What I would like us to be able to do is have enough room to comfortably guess again if DLE isn't the Sk. Which right now

7 -> Lynch me and a kill
5 -> Lynch DLE (then game doesn't end) and kill

Meaning if DLE isn't SK, we are then placed into MYLO, we are only given one chance to get it right. So in other words, if you don't believe I'm sk, stop giving DLE the chance to tie the vote in the argument of "Self defense" or worse, lynch someone that I know you know is town because you also look at the evidence and have analyzed it
 
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