And yes this applies to both scum and town logic players
They usually get offed by the opposing faction early most of the time like
They usually get offed by the opposing faction early most of the time like
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NOC The Mafia Invitational (Game Thread) [D2 Deadline: Friday, March 2nd, 6 PM EST]
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I am responsible and dedicated player and definitely put in my fair share of effort into games
But don’t expect me to waste 99 hours writing thesis essays in order to justify educated guesses in low stakes environments
which, by the nature of being guesses, have a non-insignificant probability of being wrong
aka a huge waste of time
But don’t expect me to waste 99 hours writing thesis essays in order to justify educated guesses in low stakes environments
which, by the nature of being guesses, have a non-insignificant probability of being wrong
aka a huge waste of time
“This ignores the fact it'd be far more useful to work with you as scum to essentially hide from your sight at all times if you are really that good.”
And yea, you got that right. That’s my only weakness. Fortunately most scum don’t do that off the bat or don’t think I’m that good or underestimate me so they don’t go for the optimal plays
Like optimally in dota you’d identify and focus the best player / carry on their team first pregame to prevent him from getting fed/destroying the opponents chances to win significantly
But not all scum play optimally. In fact, most do not.
And yea, you got that right. That’s my only weakness. Fortunately most scum don’t do that off the bat or don’t think I’m that good or underestimate me so they don’t go for the optimal plays
Like optimally in dota you’d identify and focus the best player / carry on their team first pregame to prevent him from getting fed/destroying the opponents chances to win significantly
But not all scum play optimally. In fact, most do not.
And so they lose. To me.
unless my town team doesn’t follow my lead and feeds worse of course, then well theres not much I can do about that
unless my town team doesn’t follow my lead and feeds worse of course, then well theres not much I can do about that
I mean, I try my best
You'd rather argue about a joke I made about the fact you were lying through your teeth what the big bad posts included, than reply to what is actually in the big bad posts.
I never brought up logical playing(using your definition of it) outside of the fruit vendor scenario, where we would indeed be dealing with facts.
You have done nothing but shout at josh, and before that empoof, how they are scum and should be lynched and have not once looked at others in a scumhunting way. As long as Josh is your excuse for not doing anything but pointing at him you are accomplishing nothing but making the life of any scum not named josh easier.
Scum are stupid and don't play to their wincondition. So you are saying Josh who you praised as scum who could fool you is too stupid to suck up to you early on empoof?
Dude I already gave my reads
We only get one lynch per day
You are asking me to jump the gun here
Considering that you don’t like how I play to begin with
It’s confusing to see you make suggestions that for detriment my play even further
Yea buddy. He was too slow. Either that or he didn’t see me as a threat until it was too late
It’s like, if you hesitate in a crucial moment in dota (like a team fight) you may well lose the game or get significantly disadvantaged
Not necessarily playing against their wincon, now that’s a misrepresentation from you and I thought you’d know better than to twist my words?
Not necessarily playing against their wincon, now that’s a misrepresentation from you and I thought you’d know better than to twist my words?
No one has supported the lynching of Josh outside of me, and we dont have a single overlap in reasons. If you don't get that repeating the same reasons that didn't convince people before is detrimental to the village effort in lynching today, then it's pointless to discuss this with you. Either find new arguments, or new targets for them.
Like, there’s a difference
If you completely wreck your opponents in dota / league, are your opponents deliberately playing against their wincon? Or are they just not good enough?
ok maybe in the lowest Elo it’s sometimes the former but
I hope you get my point
If you completely wreck your opponents in dota / league, are your opponents deliberately playing against their wincon? Or are they just not good enough?
ok maybe in the lowest Elo it’s sometimes the former but
I hope you get my point
OK, fair enough
I’m willing to work with you, which is why we’re having this chat to begin with
It’s still early in the day. As much as I believe josh should be lynched today, I’m not keen on quicklynching purely based on policy. So, I’m not too worried, yet. All in due time
It's not a misrepresentation, you said that not working with you was a misplay, therefore from your pov he was not playing to his wc. You are a Waste of Space until you drop that ego of yours.
the main candidates for today’s lynch haven’t even been made crystal clear yet, proof that it’s tio early. I mean, we have ~some~ idea, like ttm should just get hanged, but, yeah
See this, this is a strawman, not the thing you said was a strawman by josh in your 7 point list.
Well I guess so, but misplaying isn’t deliberately playing against wincon/gamethrowing, so yeah, it doesn’t contradict what I said about him being good scum player
that’s your opinion, but, since you agree on josh scum with me, at the least, I will reluctantly take it into account
how is it a straw man? I am replying to your own misrep about me calling them playing against their wincon when it isn’t the case
Not playing optimally and griefing are different ?
Anyway this discussion is going nowhere
I’ve seen your read list. You said that you’re okay with lynching everyone if not today, then tomorrow. I really don’t know how to respond to that ...
I’ve seen your read list. You said that you’re okay with lynching everyone if not today, then tomorrow. I really don’t know how to respond to that ...
Uhh, run through with me in more detail why asek even on the table for you “would lynch today”
Specifically, your concern with #388 regarding KoC. I find his post acceptable, I cannot see why our opinions differ on asek’s read Progression on KoC
Hey it's me, hyperbole again. No I didn't, but I'm not gonna make statements for the next day when it's not even eod for today. Stop misrepresenting wouldn't lynch today as would lynch tomorrow.
Also a strawman is when instead of refuting an argument you construct something with a surface similarity and attack that. Someone not sucking up to you is not the same as two teams playing to the best of their abilities but one being better than the other. Ergo strawman.
No dude, you literally went “would lynch tomorrow” on a couple of people, don’t lie, it’s really not hard to quote from the previous page... you don’t want to go into this territory which can be easily verified... it makes you look dumb despite your efforts to sound smarter than me...
Do you really want to continue with the analogy?
Someone not sucking up to me is a misplay because doing so would counter Champion Metal Sonic who is in my opinion one very broken champion in the game. Misplaying is NOT griefing or playing against their wincon, it’s just a mistake. But it’s a mistake that will disadvantage them or, in severe cases, cost them the game. Got it?
So, there is no contradiction to this. That is the whole point. I don’t know how this helps you scumhunting but since you’re continuing this discussion on this point I’ll be happy to entertain
Asek has twice engaged in furthering a selfproposed route of thinking(lynching koc, stoping the fruit project) by including non arguments(whating at a koc post taken out of context when he should have been easily aware of the context based on all the quoted koc posts) or simply nonsensical ones like his argument against the fruit case. This is enough to lead me to a pattern of asek valuing quantity over the quality of his arguments. I personally believe a villager would not go for such arguments as they would either be sure enough with their better arguments or be doubtful of their own certainty on the matters to throw in such meh arguments to try and overpush on something they themselves doubt.
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