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NOC The Mafia Invitational Redux Game Thread - GAME OVER
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Whelp I'm glad that one got resolved that way. Let me just delete this tirade I wrote up suspecting him still(did not actually write one, except in a PM to Paperblade lol).
Hitmonleet, man, just to be clear, I have nothing against you, I suspected you and I pushed you to confirm my suspicions while you kept dodging me from my SECOND post onward. This is all that happened here and I hope as one town to another town that is being lynched today, we can look back at this and laugh at how wrong I was. Sincerly, an apologetic LightWolf
PS, AG probably saved your ass at the end of the day by hammering early(that is to say it got you killed but it made you be killed which is an overall positive in clearing you once and for all, without leading to a mislynch for your false mason claim)
Hitmonleet, man, just to be clear, I have nothing against you, I suspected you and I pushed you to confirm my suspicions while you kept dodging me from my SECOND post onward. This is all that happened here and I hope as one town to another town that is being lynched today, we can look back at this and laugh at how wrong I was. Sincerly, an apologetic LightWolf
PS, AG probably saved your ass at the end of the day by hammering early(that is to say it got you killed but it made you be killed which is an overall positive in clearing you once and for all, without leading to a mislynch for your false mason claim)
Knights is also lock town because of how Asek after his spectacular post went directly after him despite also expressing suspicions towards Proph who was building steam at the time. There is no way Asek instantly goes and buses Knights there.
I will be doing an ISO of Asek and AG, suggest people do the same, I already have reread both and already noted some juicy bits.
Why does Moody jump into a town v town(just humor me that I am town for a sec, we can test it if we narrow it down to me and someone else) actually distracting from his buddy AG just to defend one, and at the same time try to even push me too towards AG. I can't justify scum doing that in this situation, minus some convoluted way of sacking AG for town cred when he could have let Hitmon get mislynched. Also in all fairness, AG's hammer saved our butts big time, though that is NAI for Moody.
Can you smell what the LightWolf is frying?
It's chicken nuggets, I'm dying of hunger and have been sitting here awaiting the night results while my stomachs been telling me to eat, but only after you made sure you don't need to start the day by voting yourself because Hitmon is still alive and you don't want to live in a world where both of you get to LYLO. Point is making nuggets brb.
After Hitmon claimed it was gonna be AG either way. Scum hammer kept us from getting what we wanted: Hitmon putting his money where his mouth was.
Also, point to make: there are 5 people left. 3 of them have been more or less Towncore since D4. I don't think deepwolves anymore, so it's Moody or Epik and Moody was already under suspicion for a lack of associations with Aura.
Also, point to make: there are 5 people left. 3 of them have been more or less Towncore since D4. I don't think deepwolves anymore, so it's Moody or Epik and Moody was already under suspicion for a lack of associations with Aura.
Ping me if y'all wanna talk with me. Thread title said usual time, so I got caught in the middle of a walrus submission when daystart happened and I still need to finish that.
The legendary mason fakeclaim
Knights I want to believe you're town but you're making this hard for me
You're still not as scummy as Lightwolf though so there's a bright side
You mean allowing a mafian to self hammer instead of keeping open the sadly very real possibility of you guys lynching Leet ?
Remember when you were like "I don't really buy this why would they recruit you" and sided with Lw against Leet all day 4 ? The north remembers
Right about him not being Mason, wrong about him being scum. I'm checking my teeth for bits of tinfoil rn, metaphorically speaking.
I am gonna go back to digging through your iso when I get song stuff done. Have to look at it from the Asek angle as well as the earlier "not talking about Empoof/Aura" angle that put you into the D3 solve.
Hitmon putting his money where his mouth was would have been bad for us though, so it is lucky it happened
That would have gotten him guaranteed lynched if AG didn't save him.
The age of scumhunting has come to an end, welcome to the age of townhunting. We are at MYLO with 1 scum left and 2 dead with a treasure towe of comments to go through that will clear a few people of ever being third scum. If we can clear 3 of 5, we win. This is where our efforts should be focused, instead of you regurgitating your push on me yesterday, which was weak by the way when confirmed town knights doesn't believe it, and he especiallly has to be town if I am scum. Ergo if you can't bring new shit to the table your argument ain't working.
You did not know that when you allowed it to happen, neither did AG or the last scum, otherwise no hammer or kill would have happened. Trying to pretend it's a positive instead of NAI action on your part is silly.
So your argument is me and knights were RIGHT to doubt hitmon?
And now I iso.
Empoof / Aura Guardian
Page 54 - Nothing or relevance prior. Also ISOing AG sucks. Also probably important, I'm control+finding the term 'Aura' so anyone who references him by 'AG' will be missed in my post unless I happen to see it.
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Yeti then brings up a good point with
KOC then ISO's AG and it's a fine ISO that further cements KOC as town to me.
That said, honestly at this point he starts to feel kind of like he's giving up doesn't he? Maybe it's just me but I feel like so blatantly doing this after SR asek and stuff...it just feels so contrastly different. Like he's just putting in the words but not actually trying anymore. Could this be a sign that maybe Yeti and I were right? I honestly feel like that might be it and that would certainly make sense for why AG's last day was so lame in his actions - he knows from that POE with 4 days left at max town can win with that POE.
LW responding to my question and after posting his d2 catch up wall. In that wall itself, it's a fairly good angle for LW, he pushes AG again and again in this post, he mentions if Asek flips scum he would think DLE or AG which is, like he said, a cop out answer but also decent in the fact it does contain AG. That said, he does also try to include moody and say he would look at him over the other 2. At this point...honestly I don't even know. LW's slot is so hard to read in the context of this AG iso. Like, there have been the right subtle brushes here and there of scum interactions but if LW is scum, then that basically means LW/AG/Asek have been bussing each other wherever they can right? Like, ngl I think I'm not going to feel confident on my LW read until I actually ISO him alone.
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I find it really weird that AG went from this post to hammering Asek and am fine with starting there vote AG
I'll reread LW/DLE this evening
Asek pushing Leet when it was clear the poe contained Asek/AG/Lw could have been distancing but I am inclined to trust Texas' "100% town trust me guys" read as well as the fact that I share Leet's uneasiness about Knights' lynch pool"
This is a moody post quoted with in a LW wall. No idea when this post was made but... it's a good post from moody. I don't think a scum moody would try to instantly push AG in (what I'm kinda assuming I guess to be an early in the day post) and defend leet when leet seems like mislynch material and AG his obviously his scum buddy in this scenario.
Then there are other points of moody hammering on AG. Either this is just suburb scum play by moody. Or I think after reading this exchange, moody is town.
Hmm. So he SR epik and would sub Epik into the previous 'scum pool' (or actually because it's applicable, the previous 'dead pool' ha. ha. ha.) but he puts me before epik in lynch order. Pesudo defending/distancing here.
Page 87 Moody does a nice thing where he calls out LW for focusing leet so much that he's scrapped by not talking about barely anyone else. Then after LW tries dodging the issue, Moody brings it up again to which LW responds
Honestly, some good points here that I like. What I don't like is how he tries to use AG here to push Leet more.
FINALLY something from this slot. Does what others have done and point out the weird AG pushes on me.
Okay all in all... I solidify KOC as town and honestly, I don't think I'm ever going to vote him in this game. Which leaves: Moody, LW and Epik
Now Moody did have some shadish interactions earlier game but his late game interactions with AG were good. So I'm ...leaving him where I had him before at my 2nd after KOC thing.
LW - Man, this is such a hard slot to crack. Like, there are ups and downs from this ISO where on one hand, there are things in here that seem very likely LW is scum. But on the other, he has interactions with asek and ag that are like ??? this is how scum react to one another (ie where AG kind of buddies LW). I'm putting him 2nd to last kind of just as nowhere else to put him. But this for me is somewhat of an enigma slot that I plan to ISO individually.
leading to
Epik - basically no activity all game from this slot. Super weird interactions with scum, especially the last few days and with AG who did the TR shenanigans with DLE and then switched to a SR when it seemed like AG was a sure lynch.
lol this is just funny
Honestly, I could see this as almost a scum=KOC looking to find content from his two buddies. But his later stuff makes me doubt that highly.
Page 54 - Nothing or relevance prior. Also ISOing AG sucks. Also probably important, I'm control+finding the term 'Aura' so anyone who references him by 'AG' will be missed in my post unless I happen to see it.
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If LW is scum. This is his interaction with AG. Which honestly, I guess I can see? It's just shallow enough that it feels like it could be a scum v scum thing. Like, it's hard because these posts focus on logical arguments instead of thought process and basically revolve around "why do you think ____" which at the same time, is a pretty easy game for scum v. scum to fake because it's so entirely easy to fake and also good at distancing, but also more importantly, it's hard to certify it as scum v. scum/town v. scum/town v. town so ehhh
Okay cool, a reads post from AG. (note: edited to show just his reads on living people, this is post 1,160 on page 65 if you want to read it in it's entirety). Leans scum on myself, KOC and Moody. Also leans scum on Asek. Now there's WIFOM here, does he decide to buss both of his buddies or just one. Obviously can't be answered, but looking at his reasoning for reads - the DLE one seems pretty basic bitch, KOC looks like he's trying to push (especially in conjunction with his vote), LW....seems like he's trying to bandwagon or pocket?, the moody one hmm, honestly kind of seems like distancing. Like he points out stuff and says he's scummy but he doesn't really push a reason, just questioning moody's hammer and lack of contributions.
Yeti then brings up a good point with
AG responds to this by basically saying 'gut' which reflects pretty bad on DLE/Epik slot imo? but also the moody slot if he's intentionally distancing, ugh.
This sort of whishy washy attitude is awful and so 50/50 to read. Like he says a bunch of reasons to SR DLE's slot but then says he still town reads him. My gut view says this is an attempt to set up DLE to be mislynched later while trying to TR him for number games though.
KOC then ISO's AG and it's a fine ISO that further cements KOC as town to me.
Moody nails both scum here in his "I would vote for" pool. That said, he lightly defends Asek before also saying he won't give it a pass. Shades LW and...actually doesn't really mention AG at all besides before agreeing with KOC? Weird.
Actually shit no. He didn't agree with KOC in the post before, he softly defended him. Not a good look for moody.
Responds to me saying he doesn't think there are mafia in yeti's pool of: Asek/AG/DLE/LW
That said, honestly at this point he starts to feel kind of like he's giving up doesn't he? Maybe it's just me but I feel like so blatantly doing this after SR asek and stuff...it just feels so contrastly different. Like he's just putting in the words but not actually trying anymore. Could this be a sign that maybe Yeti and I were right? I honestly feel like that might be it and that would certainly make sense for why AG's last day was so lame in his actions - he knows from that POE with 4 days left at max town can win with that POE.
LW responding to my question and after posting his d2 catch up wall. In that wall itself, it's a fairly good angle for LW, he pushes AG again and again in this post, he mentions if Asek flips scum he would think DLE or AG which is, like he said, a cop out answer but also decent in the fact it does contain AG. That said, he does also try to include moody and say he would look at him over the other 2. At this point...honestly I don't even know. LW's slot is so hard to read in the context of this AG iso. Like, there have been the right subtle brushes here and there of scum interactions but if LW is scum, then that basically means LW/AG/Asek have been bussing each other wherever they can right? Like, ngl I think I'm not going to feel confident on my LW read until I actually ISO him alone.
LW catches this which is good for him.
Like, this is a kind of weird post here. AG offers token responses and in the end says he's going with the leet lynch because he trusts LW vs. his own reasons. Like, this kind of seems like it could be, and probably is scum trying to buddy with a town. But it's flat out just a weird post.
Goes from leaning town on DLE/Epik slot to scum reading it and putting it into a solve. Stating again that his whole reason to tr DLE in the first place is because....DLE was good in another NOC. This reads like a last ditch scum effort to distance from the soon to be last scum as at this point, I think everyone knew AG was going to be lynched and it wasn't really a surprise. So it makes sense for me at least for AG to take his buddy that he had been TRing and suddenly throw him into the scum pile as a way to defend? Hm. Saying that, it's kind of weak reasoning honestly and feels just super last minute.
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I find it really weird that AG went from this post to hammering Asek and am fine with starting there vote AG
I'll reread LW/DLE this evening
Asek pushing Leet when it was clear the poe contained Asek/AG/Lw could have been distancing but I am inclined to trust Texas' "100% town trust me guys" read as well as the fact that I share Leet's uneasiness about Knights' lynch pool"
This is a moody post quoted with in a LW wall. No idea when this post was made but... it's a good post from moody. I don't think a scum moody would try to instantly push AG in (what I'm kinda assuming I guess to be an early in the day post) and defend leet when leet seems like mislynch material and AG his obviously his scum buddy in this scenario.
This is the AG response to the moody post. This does not feel like a scum response to a scum.
Then there are other points of moody hammering on AG. Either this is just suburb scum play by moody. Or I think after reading this exchange, moody is town.
AG's 2nd and last reads list. Honestly, my only real impression here is that it again seems like he's pushing DLE/EPIK for weak reasoning (and myself for that matter) to distance himself from his scum buddy.
Hmm. So he SR epik and would sub Epik into the previous 'scum pool' (or actually because it's applicable, the previous 'dead pool' ha. ha. ha.) but he puts me before epik in lynch order. Pesudo defending/distancing here.
Defends Epik here again from being lynched yesterday.
Page 87 Moody does a nice thing where he calls out LW for focusing leet so much that he's scrapped by not talking about barely anyone else. Then after LW tries dodging the issue, Moody brings it up again to which LW responds
Honestly, some good points here that I like. What I don't like is how he tries to use AG here to push Leet more.
FINALLY something from this slot. Does what others have done and point out the weird AG pushes on me.
Okay all in all... I solidify KOC as town and honestly, I don't think I'm ever going to vote him in this game. Which leaves: Moody, LW and Epik
Now Moody did have some shadish interactions earlier game but his late game interactions with AG were good. So I'm ...leaving him where I had him before at my 2nd after KOC thing.
LW - Man, this is such a hard slot to crack. Like, there are ups and downs from this ISO where on one hand, there are things in here that seem very likely LW is scum. But on the other, he has interactions with asek and ag that are like ??? this is how scum react to one another (ie where AG kind of buddies LW). I'm putting him 2nd to last kind of just as nowhere else to put him. But this for me is somewhat of an enigma slot that I plan to ISO individually.
leading to
Epik - basically no activity all game from this slot. Super weird interactions with scum, especially the last few days and with AG who did the TR shenanigans with DLE and then switched to a SR when it seemed like AG was a sure lynch.
MS was town
(mistake with d2 votecount)
D1 hitmonleet was also town
Would they have had the whole team vote MS to save Asek
that lone MS vote onto AG d2 looks sad
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