lmao the question is like a year and a half old dude
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Is worth try to build a M-Gyarados balance instead of classic HO builds?
If that is the case, some partners? I ask this because I feel the smogdex review is pretty outdated
Any help is valuable
If that is the case, some partners? I ask this because I feel the smogdex review is pretty outdated
Any help is valuable
I've actually built a pretty good M-Gyara Bulky Offense, not so sure about Balance builds tho but BO and Balance are pretty closely related, the team is kinda outdated at this point but I basically utilized Heatran's ability to pressure fat grasses like Tang, Bulu and Ferro, and Specs Koko to pivot it in successfully against those targets, and Kart breaking down defensive cores with its sheer power, now the team does struggle with the high usage of Zapdos and rising usage of Gliscor (yeah u lose to TDK stall), which wasn't the case back then when I made this team at the start of USUM.
Gyarados-Mega (M) @ Gyaradosite
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Crunch
- Earthquake
- Substitute
Landorus-Therian @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 248 HP / 244 Def / 16 Spe
Impish Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- U-turn
Heatran (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Magma Storm
- Earth Power
- Taunt
- Toxic
Tapu Koko @ Choice Specs
Ability: Electric Surge
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Thunderbolt
- Volt Switch
- Dazzling Gleam
- Hidden Power [Ice]
Magearna @ Assault Vest
Ability: Soul-Heart
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 22 Spe
- Fleur Cannon
- Ice Beam
- Volt Switch
- Hidden Power [Fire]
Kartana @ Fightinium Z / Grassium Z
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Leaf Blade
- Sacred Sword
- Defog
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Crunch
- Earthquake
- Substitute
Landorus-Therian @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 248 HP / 244 Def / 16 Spe
Impish Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- U-turn
Heatran (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Magma Storm
- Earth Power
- Taunt
- Toxic
Tapu Koko @ Choice Specs
Ability: Electric Surge
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Thunderbolt
- Volt Switch
- Dazzling Gleam
- Hidden Power [Ice]
Magearna @ Assault Vest
Ability: Soul-Heart
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 22 Spe
- Fleur Cannon
- Ice Beam
- Volt Switch
- Hidden Power [Fire]
Kartana @ Fightinium Z / Grassium Z
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Leaf Blade
- Sacred Sword
- Defog
Not too keen on the lack of speed control there and some of the resists not existing; I'd go with dual stab taunt dd M-Gyara atm, way more effective than sub EQ, M-Gyara is pretty alright right now despite the popularity of Tapu Bulu and Zapdos; you could run something like Toxic Yache Berry Landorus-T here which invites those two easily and cripples them for the rest of the match, and Yache also sponges a fair bit vs Tapu Koko. (And you could go Scarf Defog Kartana here, then if you really want to; tech in Firium on Heatran)
I've also been messing with a few M-Gyara teams a fair bit, and it's been doing pretty good.
Are megas just less important than in Gen 6? Barring metagross, are they all just worse now?
yeah, pretty much. They're not required on every team like they pretty much used to be. Power creep and meta shifts mean that their stats and power no longer completely towers over all other mons and defensive ones can now be easily broken through with Z-Moves.
Both. Thanks to Z-moves existing, there's a lot less pressure for the main offensive pokemon of a team to be a mega with high stats, and instead now, the ability to hold a nuking move often is more important that having a mega. That and a lot of megas are either outclassed ( Mega Manectric, Gardevoir and Mega Venusaur), completely walled by the metagame ( Charizard Y), were never better than their base forms to begin with ( Mega T-tar and Garchomp) or fit best on specific playstyles so their usability is lessened because of that ( Sableye and Swampert). The only mega that is still impressively still viable on the upper echelon of the viability rankings now is Scizor, but thats because of its defensive set.
Another big reason why they aren't as mandatory is because of how teams are structured in balance and Bo which make up the majority of teams in Ou. Like you have two purely defensive pokemon, one utility ( rocks), one scarfer, one breaker, and another breaker/wincon, but only two megas are defensive ( one of them is bad), most don't have too much utility outside of Scizor, and teams prefer to have wincons with Z-moves to break through mons that would otherwise wall them. That basically limits most megas to being breakers, which you guessed it, face competition among themselves and other breakers that can utilize items.
Basically, power creep has edged out a lot of megas, and most either require a lot of support, are solid but have individual problems that hold them back somewhat, or are no longer as defensively valuable
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Despite this, a good chunk of them remain pretty good, MZor is a strong wincon/ utility mon, MMaw is really good right now and so is Medi, Msab remains a stall staple, Mega Swampert and Zam are super solid in both rain and psyspam both of which are good playstyles, Mgyara was also mentioned a bit, Pinsir remains as threatening as ever and Zard X can bust through common defensive cores right now and has some versatility like wisp 2 attacks and roost dd alongside 3 attacks roost.
They are slightly less important, but a good bunch of them are effective metagame threats still.
They are slightly less important, but a good bunch of them are effective metagame threats still.
is there a place where I can find the teams SPL players uses in its games?
You can either look for individual team archives (if youre looking for ou stuff theres just zoms thread but other tiers have team dumps too), wait for more people to post in the spl discussion thread finch bumped earlier today or try to snatch teams from the replays thread if youre confident you can figure out unrevealed sets and spreads
Could we move kommo-o up to ou, because it has a really really good z-move that Powers up it's incredibly spamable clanging scales, along with it's other stats
Tiers are dependant on usage, and Kommo-o simply does not get enough usage to be OU, additionally it actually struggles to find a niche in the tier due to competition with more efficient breakers such as Kart, Zygarde and offensive Lando. Its weaknesses to psychic and fairy also don't do it any favours, leaving it vulnerable to common threats like Lele, Magearna and Koko.
I would like to see a recommended moveset at least
If it isn't viable in the tier, it doesn't get a recommended moveset for the tier on Smogon. If you want a moveset up for it then you can write it up yourself, unless you don't know what it runs.
We don’t write analyses for unranked mons, but I made this post earlier:
It's really good
Thank you this works out really well
I Know that Koko is the best electric-type in the tier and all that shit, but in the current metagame, which set from Thundurus-T is the most efective? Double Dance or Nasty Plot + 3 attacks with electrium/fightinium?
I think Sludge Wave or HP Flying variants with Fight Z is potentially quite solid right now as a balance breaker, double dance just lacks the coverage sometimes to really get some success in, where 3 attacks variants pose an immediate threat and the surprise of HP Flying or Swave can threaten a lot of bulky cores at the moment.
That question was literally over a year old, and no Darkrai is not getting suspected. It still has 125 speed alongside 135 special attack+Nasty Plot.
Stop answering old questions. Only answer new questions, and please update your meta knowledge before continuing to answer.
If the z move slot is taken is Life Orb Tornadus Therian viable?