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So Meteor Mash is space type, but not Metagross? tf happened?!?¿
We have a lot of winners, and a lot of ties to! Let's see all of that!

New Moves:
Astral Projection (DatHeatmor)
Gravity Hammer (Origin0)
Astral Tackle (Origin0)
Astral Saber (Origin0)
Meteorite (Origin0)
Cosmic Shock (Origin0)
Warp Guard (Origin0)
Starlight (Origin0)
Meteor Kick (Samtendo09)
Cosmos Vacuum (Samtendo09)
Star Shot (Samtendo09)
Stargaze Shield (Samtendo09)
Solar Wind (ToadBrigade)
Cosmic Force (ToadBrigade)
Light Speed (Tiksi)
Accretion (Tiksi)
Heat Drain (Tiksi)
Compress (Tiksi)

Modifications
Cosmic Power
Meteor Mash
Swift
Hyperspace Hole
Doom Desire
Lunar Dance
Gravity (Samtendo09)
Spacial (Samtendo09)
Gravity Pull (Samtendo09)
Sky Control (Tiksi)
Zero Gravity (ToadBrigade)
Astralize/Spatialize
Spacium-Z
Space Memory
Star Plate
Starbola Berry
Meteor Fragment/Stardust

Spacial Seed would has the required number of votes, but not space terrain :/
Palkia
Clefable line
Gothitelle line
Starmie line
Beheeyem line (Mono-Space)
Jirachi
Deoxys (Mono-Space)
Minior
Cosmog line
Solgaleo
Lunala
Necrozma (Normal, DW, DM and Ultra)
Hoopa-Confined
Hoopa-Unbound
Cresselia
Nihilego
Celesteela
M-Lati@s
Unown
Porygon-Z
Solrock (Samtendo09)
Lunatone (Samtendo09)

We're also going on three tiebreakers:

- Which matchup between mine's (Gravity Monkey), G-Luke's, Origin0's and Tiksi's?
- Astralize or Spacialize?
- Meteor Fragment or Stardust?

YOU have the power to chose!
 
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Well, I am going to give my opinion on certain Pokémon that just got Space-type. I only select a few that I do really need to talk with.

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Palkia's Space/Dragon makes more sense than Water/Dragon, but unless it gets something what Ultra Necrozma cannot or that the latter become Space/Light (which makes another typing with only new types) one day, the latter will still overshadow poor Palkia.

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As Clefable is already viable in OU even as a pure Fairy-type, I would like to see where this is going now that it logically get Space-type.

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Dilasc want them Water/Light (mostly does to Illuminate) but they become Water/Space. I do want that as Water/Light too but I would just make a Light-type Steelworker clone for this one.

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They would be overshadowed by the Gothitelle line anyways, but Beheeyem's stats are still too low except Special Attack to be useful. Maybe in the Balance slate I would ask for +10 for HP and +20 for Speed, unless if they would get a very good Ability.

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Space makes a lot of sense for Necrozma, but would it hurt if we one day have Light-type won, make it Space/Light? Light-type, shall it won, will still make sense and we already got many Legendary Dragon-type, especially since Rayquaza, we a third member of a trio who's Dragon-type.

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Depended if Space will have a favorable defensive match-up or not, its defensive roles will be either benefited or hindered. If the latter case would be true, it will hurt Celesteela's presence.

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Good that G-Luke only want Lati@s' Mega to be Dragon/Space and not their base form. This allows their Mega Evolution to stand out more instead of being just "Lati@s but buffed stats".

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Now that I thankfully fixed Solrock's and Lunatone's stats, it would be interesting to see which of those three would perform the best as a Rock/Space.
 
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And the winner for the matchups is... Tiksi! Congrats to you!
Tiksi said:
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Matchups:

I took this from an "outer space" frame, since that seems the most effective focus to retype Pokemon through. Being very impenetrable and hostile to life, Space performs well defensively, but due to its lack of normal interactions with the other types in 'reality' (and since asphyxiating everything is cheating), it doesn't get much super-effective coverage, and it doesn't have countless resists like Steel.

Offensive:
2x: Fire, Normal
1/2x: Time, Ghost, Bug

Defensive:
2x: Ghost, Psychic
1/2x: Time, Fairy, Ice, Fire
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Additionally, Origin0's Astralize and DatHeatmor's Stardust won their respectives tiebreaker. Gratz!

Slate #5 (Space Type) — Distribution Phase

This slate is special because it's only voting. You mention the pokemons that should get the moves/ability, and it will count as a vote.

Example:
All fire typed pokemons, Blitzle line, Genesect, Gourgeist line, Pikipek line, Mew, Celesteela, Solgaleo, Type:Null line, Fletchinder line

With that in mind, let's get started!
 
New Moves:
Astral Projection
Palkia, Jirachi, Deoxys, Minior, Cosmog line, Solgaleo, Lunala, Necrozma, Cresselia, Latias, Latios, Solrock, Lunatone, Clefable line

Gravity Hammer
Palkia, Jirachi, Deoxys, Solgaleo, Necrozma, Hoopa, Celesteela, Latias, Latios, Unown, Arceus

Astral Tackle
Palkia, Jirachi, Deoxys, Minior, Solgaleo, Lunala, Necrozma, Latias, Latios, Porygon-Z, Starmie line, Arceus

Astral Saber
Palkia, Deoxys, Clefable line, Hoopa, Cresselia, Gallade, Aegislash line

Meteorite
Palkia, Clefable line, Gothitelle line, Starmie line, Beheeyem line, Jirachi, Deoxys, Minior, Cosmog line, Solgaleo, Lunala, Necrozma, Hoopa, Cresselia, Nihilego, Celesteela, Latias, Latios, Unown, Porygon-Z, Solrock, Lunatone, Mewtwo, Mew, Arceus

Cosmic Shock
Palkia, Clefable line, Gothitelle line, Starmie line, Beheeyem line, Jirachi, Deoxys, Minior, Cosmog line, Solgaleo, Lunala, Necrozma, Hoopa, Cresselia, Nihilego, Latias, Latios, Unown, Porygon-Z, Solrock, Lunatone, Mewtwo, Mew, Arceus

Warp Guard
Palkia, Clefable line, Gothitelle line, Starmie line, Beheeyem line, Jirachi, Deoxys, Cosmog line, Solgaleo, Lunala, Necrozma, Hoopa, Cresselia, Latias, Latios, Unown, Porygon-Z, Solrock, Lunatone, Arceus

Starlight
Palkia, Clefable line, Gothitelle line, Starmie line, Beheeyem line, Jirachi, Deoxys, Cosmog line, Solgaleo, Lunala, Necrozma, Cresselia, Latias, Latios, Unown, Solrock, Lunatone, Arceus

Meteor Kick
Palkia, Deoxys, Minior, Necrozma, Hitmonlee, Blaziken, Mewtwo

Cosmos Vacuum
Palkia, Gothitelle line, Beheeyem line, Jirachi, Deoxys, Cosmog line, Solgaleo, Lunala, Necrozma, Hoopa, Cresselia, Latias, Latios, Solrock, Lunatone, Arecus

Star Shot
Palkia, Gothitelle line, Starmie line, Beheeyem line, Jirachi, Deoxys, Cosmog line, Solgaleo, Lunala, Necrozma, Cresselia, Solrock, Lunatone

Stargaze Shield
Clefable line, Gothitelle line, Starmie line, Beheeyem line, Jirachi, Cresselia, Unown

Solar Wind
Palkia, Clefable line, Gothitelle line, Cosmog line, Solgaleo, Lunala, Necrozma, Solrock, Lunatone, Arceus

Cosmic Force
Palkia, Gothitelle line, Starmie line, Beheeyem line, Jirachi, Deoxys, Cosmog line, Solgaleo, Lunala, Necrozma, Hoopa, Cresselia, Nihilego, Celesteela, Unown, Porygon-Z, Solrock, Lunatone, Mewtwo, Mew, Arceus

Light Speed
Solgaleo, Lunala, Necrozma

Accretion
Gallade, Minior

Heat Drain
Nihilego

Compress
Porygon2, Porygon-Z, Palkia, Necrozma

Modified Moves:
Cosmic Power
Palkia, Gothitelle line, Necrozma, Cresselia, Nihilego, Celesteela, Latias, Latios, Unown, Porygon-Z

Meteor Mash
Palkia, Deoxys, Necrozma, Hoopa


Abilities:
Gravity Pull
Palkia, Solrock, Lunatone, Cosmoem

Sky Control
Bronzong line (replace Heavy Metal), Latias, Latios

Zero Gravity
Beheeyem line (replace Telepathy), Deoxys

Astralize
Deoxys, Solrock, Lunatone
 
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New Moves:
Astral Projection
Palkia, Jirachi, Deoxys, Minior, Cosmog line, Solgaleo, Lunala, Necrozma, Cresselia, Latias, Latios, Solrock, Lunatone, Kirlia line, Clefable line

Gravity Hammer
Palkia, Jirachi, Deoxys, Solgaleo, Necrozma, Hoopa, Celesteela, Latias, Latios, Unown

Astral Tackle
Palkia, Jirachi, Deoxys, Minior, Solgaleo, Lunala, Necrozma, Latias, Latios, Porygon-Z, Starmie line

Astral Saber
Palkia, Deoxys, Clefable line, Hoopa, Cresselia

Meteorite
Palkia, Clefable line, Gothitelle line, Starmie line, Beheeyem line, Jirachi, Deoxys, Minior, Cosmog line, Solgaleo, Lunala, Necrozma, Hoopa, Cresselia, Nihilego, Celesteela, Latias, Latios, Unown, Porygon-Z, Solrock, Lunatone

Cosmic Shock
Palkia, Clefable line, Gothitelle line, Starmie line, Beheeyem line, Jirachi, Deoxys, Minior, Cosmog line, Solgaleo, Lunala, Necrozma, Hoopa, Cresselia, Nihilego, Latias, Latios, Unown, Porygon-Z, Solrock, Lunatone

Warp Guard
Palkia, Clefable line, Gothitelle line, Starmie line, Beheeyem line, Jirachi, Deoxys, Cosmog line, Solgaleo, Lunala, Necrozma, Kirlia line, Hoopa, Cresselia, Latias, Latios, Unown, Porygon-Z, Solrock, Celesteela, Lunatone

Starlight
Palkia, Clefable line, Gothitelle line, Starmie line, Beheeyem line, Unown, Solrock, Lunatone

Meteor Kick
Palkia, Deoxys, Minior, Clefable line

Cosmos Vacuum
Palkia, Gothitelle line, Beheeyem line, Cosmog line, Solgaleo, Lunala, Cresselia, Solrock, Lunatone

Star Shot
Palkia, Gothitelle line, Starmie line, Beheeyem line, Jirachi, Deoxys, Cosmog line, Solgaleo, Lunala, Necrozma, Cresselia, Solrock, Lunatone, Lati@s

Stargaze Shield
Clefable line, Gothitelle line, Starmie line, Beheeyem line, Jirachi, Cresselia, Unown

Solar Wind
Solgaleo, Solrock, Sunflora (for the pun) (Yh also let both Solgaleo and Lunala have some defining traits that set them apart)

Cosmic Force
Palkia, Gothitelle line, Starmie line, Beheeyem line, Jirachi, Deoxys, Cosmog line, Solgaleo, Lunala, Necrozma, Hoopa, Cresselia, Nihilego, Celesteela, Unown, Porygon-Z, Solrock, Lunatone

Light Speed
Solgaleo, Lunala, Necrozma, Deoxys,

Accretion
Gallade, Minior

Heat Drain
Nihilego

Compress
Porygon2, Porygon-Z, Palkia, Necrozma

Modified Moves:
Cosmic Power
Palkia, Gothitelle line, Necrozma, Cresselia, Nihilego, Celesteela, Latias, Latios, Unown, Porygon-Z

Meteor Mash
Palkia, Deoxys, Necrozma, Hoopa


Abilities:
Gravity Pull
Palkia, Solrock, Lunatone, Cosmoem, Lati@s

Sky Control
Bronzong line (replace Heavy Metal)

Zero Gravity
Beheeyem line (replace Telepathy), Deoxys

Astralize
Deoxys, Solrock, Lunatone
 
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I’m really struggling to see anyone using space as a coverage move when rock and fight does the coverage thing far better for their respective types. Seriously, only 2 types!? Am I misreading this!?

I’m not even bitter about not getting votes any more (even if I am probably seen as a noob), I want this type chart to have a purpose beyond fluffy science.
 
Dilasc said:
I’m really struggling to see anyone using space as a coverage move when rock and fight does the coverage thing far better for their respective types. Seriously, only 2 types!? Am I misreading this!?

I’m not even bitter about not getting votes any more, I want this type chart to have a purpose beyond fluffy science.
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Not every type has to be a good coverage type imo. Space (and Time) moves tends to be learnt almost exclusively by pokemon of those types, as we can see with Origin0's and G-Luke's vote. Besides, there are no types immune to it and not that much types resists it, so I think space moves could work decently as spammable STABs.
 
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Not every type has to be a good coverage type imo. Space (and Time) moves tends to be learnt almost exclusively by pokemon of those types, as we can see with Origin0's and G-Luke's vote. Besides, there are no types immune to it and not that much types resists it, so I think space moves could work decently as spammable STABs.
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It’s also the one combo I would’ve given an antivote. Hate me if you want, my loathing of the concept is nothing personal against the winner. I just wanna make sure every type does something important even when we get beyond 30 types.
 
Dilasc said:
It’s also the one combo I would’ve given an antivote. Hate me if you want, my loathing of the concept is nothing personal against the winner. I just wanna make sure every type does something important even when we get beyond 30 types.
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Being a strong and consistent STAB is a good enough role- See Dragon, Steel, Bug, and Normal as types which are rarely ran as coverage outside of their STAB users. And at least this has notable super-effectives (including Normal which is quite uncommon) compared to something like Dragon.

Also defensively the type is quite strong, similar to types such as Dragon or Steel in that regard.
 
Dilasc said:
It’s also the one combo I would’ve given an antivote. Hate me if you want, my loathing of the concept is nothing personal against the winner. I just wanna make sure every type does something important even when we get beyond 30 types.
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leonard (from big bang theory) said:
Being a strong and consistent STAB is a good enough role- See Dragon, Steel, Bug, and Normal as types which are rarely ran as coverage outside of their STAB users. And at least this has notable super-effectives (including Normal which is quite uncommon) compared to something like Dragon.

Also defensively the type is quite strong, similar to types such as Dragon or Steel in that regard.
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The exact intent is to make each Type have a different archetype instead of trying to compete with each others. We would eventually get a Type that is more into offensive coverage.
 
leonard (from big bang theory) said:
Being a strong and consistent STAB is a good enough role- See Dragon, Steel, Bug, and Normal as types which are rarely ran as coverage outside of their STAB users. And at least this has notable super-effectives (including Normal which is quite uncommon) compared to something like Dragon.

Also defensively the type is quite strong, similar to types such as Dragon or Steel in that regard.
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I’m sorry but if the argument that rock can defensively suck because it’s great offensively doesn’t fly and gets rightfully chewed out, then I can’t see the reverse argument being able to be brushed aside as okay.
 
Dilasc said:
I’m sorry but if the argument that rock can defensively suck because it’s great offensively doesn’t fly and gets rightfully chewed out, then I can’t see the reverse argument being able to be brushed aside as okay.
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False equivalency. Pokémon with bad offensive types can still run coverage, but Pokémon with bad defensive types are forced to suffer forever with no hope of salvation as the universe itself laughs at their pain.
 
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