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Just to deliver that Gravity Monkey will be on vacation starting at tomorrow and will be absent until August 12th. One of the council members, which include me, may continue the Pet Mod by opening up a Balance Slate (if necessary) and proceed as usual until his eventual return.

If there are any concerns about the Pet Mod right now, right here, other than what's need to be balanced (it will be at the usual week-long Balance Slate), I will be open to listen.
 
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Winners! I'm so tired
I want to point at that I have changed some things, especially regarding abilities' placement (1st, 2nd or HA) and which one they are replacing, just to have more consistency with other older additions or to be coherent inside a pokemon's evolutionary line.

Gravity Pull:
Palkia (HA), Solrock (2nd), Lunatone (2nd), Cosmoem (Replacing Sturdy)

Sky Control:
Bronzor and Bronzong (Replacing Heatproof), Lati@s (HA)

Zero Gravity:
Elgyem and Beheeyem (Replacing Synchronize), Deoxys (HA)

Astralize:
Deoxys (2nd), Solrock (HA), Lunatone (HA)
Astral Projection:
Palkia, Jirachi, Deoxys, Minior, Cosmoem line, Solgaleo, Lunala, Necrozma(s), Cresselia, Lati@s, Solrock, Lunatone, Clefable line

Gravity Hammer:
Palkia, Jirachi, Deoxys, Solgaleo, Necrozma(s), Hoopa(s), Celesteela, Lati@s, Unown, Arceus

Astral Tackle:
Palkia, Jirachi, Deoxys, Minior, Solgaleo, Lunala, Necrozma(s), Lati@s, Porygon-Z, Starmie line, Celesteela, Solrock, Lunatone

Astral Saber:
Palkia, Deoxys, Clefable line, Hoopa(s), Cresselia, Gallade, Aegislash

Meteorite:
Palkia, Clefable line, Gothitelle line, Starmie line, Beheeyem line, Jirachi line, Deoxys, Minior, Cosmoem line, Solgaleo, Lunala, Necrozma(s), Hoopa(s), Cresselia, Nihilego, Celesteela, Lati@s, Unown, Porygon-Z, Solrock, Lunatone, Mew, Arceus

Cosmic Shock:
Palkia, Clefable line, Gothitelle line, Starmie line, Beheeyem line, Jirachi line, Deoxys, Minior, Cosmoem line, Solgaleo, Lunala, Necrozma(s), Hoopa(s), Cresselia, Nihilego, Lati@s, Unown, Porygon-Z, Solrock, Lunatone, Mew, Arceus

Warp Guard:
Palkia, Clefable line, Gothitelle line, Starmie line, Beheeyem line, Jirachi, Deoxys, Cosmoem line, Solgaleo, Lunala, Necrozma(s), Hoopa(s), Cresselia, Lati@s, Unown, Porygon-Z, Solrock, Lunatone

Starlight:
Palkia, Clefable line, Gothitelle line, Starmie line, Beheeyem line, Jirachi, Deoxys, Cosmoem line, Solgaleo, Lunala, Necrozma(s), Lati@s, Unown, Solrock, Lunatone, Arceus

Meteor Kick:
Palkia, Deoxys, Minior, Necrozma(s), Hitmonlee, Blaziken, Mewtwo

Cosmos Vacuum:
Palkia, Gothitelle line, Beheeyem line, Jirachi, Deoxys, Cosmoem line, Solgaleo, Lunala, Necrozma(s), Hoopa(s), Cresselia, Lati@s, Solrock, Lunatone, Arceus

Star Shot:
Palkia, Gothitelle line, Beheeyem line, Jirachi, Deoxys, Cosmoem line, Solgaleo, Lunala, Necrozma(s), Hoopa(s), Cresselia, Lati@s, Solrock, Lunatone, Starmie line

Stargaze Shield:
Clefable line, Gothitelle line, Starmie line, Beheeyem line, Jirachi, Cresselia, Unown, Palkia

Solar Wind:
Palkia, Clefable line, Gothitelle line, Cosmoem line, Solgaleo, Lunala, Necrozma(s), Solrock, Arceus

Cosmic Force:
Palkia, Gothitelle line, Starmie line, Beheeyem line, Jirachi, Deoxys, Cosmoem line, Solgaleo, Lunala, Necrozma(s), Hoopa (s), Cresselia, Solrock, Lunatone, Nihilego, Celesteela, Unown, Porygon-Z, Mewtwo, Mew, Arceus

Light Speed:
Solgaleo, Lunala, Necrozma(s)

Accretion:
Gallade, Minior

Heat Drain:
Nihilego

Compress:
Porygon2, Porygon-Z, Necrozma(s), Hoopa(s), Palkia


Cosmic Power:
Palkia, Gothitelle line, Necrozma(s), Cresselia, Nihilego, Celesteela, Lati@s, Unown, Porygon-Z

Meteor Mash:
Palkia, Deoxys, Necrozma(s), Hoopa(s)

I'm opening next slates in a few hours, stay tuned!
 
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Winners! I'm so tired
I want to point at that I have changed some things, especially regarding abilities' placement (1st, 2nd or HA) and which one they are replacing, just to have more consistency with other older additions or to be coherent inside a pokemon's evolutionary line.

Gravity Pull:
Palkia (HA), Solrock (2nd), Lunatone (2nd), Cosmoem (Replacing Sturdy)

Sky Control:
Bronzor and Bronzong (Replacing Heatproof), Lati@s (HA)

Zero Gravity:
Elgyem and Beheeyem (Replacing Synchronize), Deoxys (HA)

Astralize:
Deoxys (2nd), Solrock (HA), Lunatone (HA)
Astral Projection:
Palkia, Jirachi, Deoxys, Minior, Cosmoem line, Solgaleo, Lunala, Necrozma(s), Cresselia, Lati@s, Solrock, Lunatone, Clefable line

Gravity Hammer:
Palkia, Jirachi, Deoxys, Solgaleo, Necrozma(s), Hoopa(s), Celesteela, Lati@s, Unown, Arceus

Astral Tackle:
Palkia, Jirachi, Deoxys, Minior, Solgaleo, Lunala, Necrozma(s), Lati@s, Porygon-Z, Starmie line, Celesteela, Solrock, Lunatone

Astral Saber:
Palkia, Deoxys, Clefable line, Hoopa(s), Cresselia, Gallade, Aegislash

Meteorite:
Palkia, Clefable line, Gothitelle line, Starmie line, Beheeyem line, Jirachi line, Deoxys, Minior, Cosmoem line, Solgaleo, Lunala, Necrozma(s), Hoopa(s), Cresselia, Nihilego, Celesteela, Lati@s, Unown, Porygon-Z, Solrock, Lunatone, Mew, Arceus

Cosmic Shock:
Palkia, Clefable line, Gothitelle line, Starmie line, Beheeyem line, Jirachi line, Deoxys, Minior, Cosmoem line, Solgaleo, Lunala, Necrozma(s), Hoopa(s), Cresselia, Nihilego, Lati@s, Unown, Porygon-Z, Solrock, Lunatone, Mew, Arceus

Warp Guard:
Palkia, Clefable line, Gothitelle line, Starmie line, Beheeyem line, Jirachi, Deoxys, Cosmoem line, Solgaleo, Lunala, Necrozma(s), Hoopa(s), Cresselia, Lati@s, Unown, Porygon-Z, Solrock, Lunatone

Starlight:
Palkia, Clefable line, Gothitelle line, Starmie line, Beheeyem line, Jirachi, Deoxys, Cosmoem line, Solgaleo, Lunala, Necrozma(s), Lati@s, Unown, Solrock, Lunatone, Arceus

Meteor Kick:
Palkia, Deoxys, Minior, Necrozma(s), Hitmonlee, Blaziken, Mewtwo

Cosmos Vacuum:
Palkia, Gothitelle line, Beheeyem line, Jirachi, Deoxys, Cosmoem line, Solgaleo, Lunala, Necrozma(s), Hoopa(s), Cresselia, Lati@s, Solrock, Lunatone, Arceus

Star Shot:
Palkia, Gothitelle line, Beheeyem line, Jirachi, Deoxys, Cosmoem line, Solgaleo, Lunala, Necrozma(s), Hoopa(s), Cresselia, Lati@s, Solrock, Lunatone, Starmie line

Stargaze Shield:
Clefable line, Gothitelle line, Starmie line, Beheeyem line, Jirachi, Cresselia, Unown, Palkia

Solar Wind:
Palkia, Clefable line, Gothitelle line, Cosmoem line, Solgaleo, Lunala, Necrozma(s), Solrock, Arceus

Cosmic Force:
Palkia, Gothitelle line, Starmie line, Beheeyem line, Jirachi, Deoxys, Cosmoem line, Solgaleo, Lunala, Necrozma(s), Hoopa (s), Cresselia, Solrock, Lunatone, Nihilego, Celesteela, Unown, Porygon-Z, Mewtwo, Mew, Arceus

Light Speed:
Solgaleo, Lunala, Necrozma(s)

Accretion:
Gallade, Minior

Heat Drain:
Nihilego

Compress:
Porygon2, Porygon-Z, Necrozma(s), Hoopa(s), Palkia


Cosmic Power:
Palkia, Gothitelle line, Necrozma(s), Cresselia, Nihilego, Celesteela, Lati@s, Unown, Porygon-Z

Meteor Mash:
Palkia, Deoxys, Necrozma(s), Hoopa(s)

I'm opening next slates in a few hours, stay tuned!
Aaand bam! I updated the spreadsheet! I was pretty quick, am I?

Fun Fact: Palkia's HA is now Gravity Pull as we know. Dialga's HA is... still Telepathy. Still fitting since Dialga can foresaw Earthquake and Surf from allies in advance, but come on, Dialga is supposed have a Time-type Ability (it should be grateful that I at least miraculously buffed Roar of Time though).
 
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{Slate #6 — Discussion phase}

As Samtendo mentionned earlier, I will be out from august 5th to 12th, doing camping with no possibility of connecting on smogon. While I'll be gone, I'll let the discussion flow out. You guys can talk about anything that you feel like deserving a topic (i.e. current matchups of older and newer types, combinations of new moves and/or new abilities that are too broken, stuff like that), but there are three specific things on which I want to hear you.

1. Distributions for the new moves created in the last balancing slate. You know, the stuff like Air Strike and Spectral Gash? Basically, submit distributions for any new moves that doesn't have any.

2. Would you guys be interested in the creation of "flavor moves" for the three new types? Basically the "usually useless" moves of each new type, like a time-type growl or a 40 BP Heart move with no effect at all, just like the ones pokemon learns at level 1 to, like, 15.

3. Do you think that fakemons could eventually be a part of this mod? This idea has been brought up multiple times by Dilasc and more recently by PsuedoRidge's rotom (who I thought didn't received enough attention), and I feel like if we keep creating new types, this is a question that will grow more and more important.

That's all for the moment, you have 'till the 12th to make you distribution submissions and to chat about those other subjects.
 
I will answer the question 2 and 3 here:

- For the flavor moves, it would be best to leave it as their own smaller category to not stripe away "slots" from more useful moves.

- Right now I do not think we would allow Fakemons until we get at least six new types. If so, this will allows us to explore more Type combinations with the Typing: The Mod exclusive types, and even allows Type combination between those types (Time/Heart, Space/Chaos, Whim/Light) as so far the few possibles are Unown (Time/Space, which is done) and Ultra Necrozma (Space/Light, if Light would ever win).

Of course, alternative forms is pretty much depends on the circumstances. They should only be allowed if it have or grants the New Types in any cases.
- The new Primal Forms are special cases for Time-type so we should only keep it for, say, the Gen 8 Fossil Pokémon (which is not until late 2019).
- Mega Evolutions should only be kept for Pokémon that are still lagging behind despite all of the buffs. In other words, as a last resort.
- Ultra Burst is Necrozma exclusive... but giving it to a certain Ultra Beast that performs the least (Guzzlord) and give it a new type will not hurr.
- Regional forms can be a good excuse to slap on new Types on any non-Legendary Pokémon, but it have to get a good backstory to tell why it is changed in any region (preferably official ones).
- Other non-specified forms (Rotom forms) will be given when the submitters feels like it. Arceus and Silvally will get the new Type Forms automatically anyways.
 
I agree that flavor moves shouldn't take up normal moves slots, although not adding them may be better since, well, most of the time they won't be that useful. As for fakemons, I think things like Rotom (or Eevee) should get new types depending on if it makes sense (Healer or space-type rotom doesn't make too much sense as it's supposed to be common appliances, but time-type works since clocks are very common, and Eevee needs an interesting way that makes sense for it to be given a certain type evolution), but for all-new fakemon.... let's wait until we have a good amount of types (unless that's not what's being talked about here)
 
I agree that flavor moves shouldn't take up normal moves slots, although not adding them may be better since, well, most of the time they won't be that useful. As for fakemons, I think things like Rotom (or Eevee) should get new types depending on if it makes sense (Healer or space-type rotom doesn't make too much sense as it's supposed to be common appliances, but time-type works since clocks are very common, and Eevee needs an interesting way that makes sense for it to be given a certain type evolution), but for all-new fakemon.... let's wait until we have a good amount of types (unless that's not what's being talked about here)

6 new types is a good number imho.

Also not every new mon should be a fake type.
 
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Now for the distributions vote:

Acidic Explosion
Venusaur line, Nidoqueen + Nidoking lines, Vileplume, Venomoth, Victreebel line, Gengar line, Weezing line, Ariados line, Qwilfish, Dustox, Roserade line, Swalot line, Skuntank line, Toxicroak line, Amoonguss line, Dragalge line, Silvally, Nihilego, Naganadel line

Psycho Crash
Exeggutor (+ Alola), Mewtwo, Mew, Stantler, Girafarig, Gallade, Medicham line, Metagross, Lati@s, Jirachi, Deoxys, Brozong line, Arceus, Victini, Darmanitan, Malamar line, Hoopa, Silvally, Bruxish, Solgaleo, Necrozma

Fossil Fang
All Fossil Pokémon, Bruxish, Golem (+ Alola), Marowak (+ Alola), Rhyperior line, Steelix line, Mamoswine line, Yanmega, Groudon, Camerupt line, Arceus, Silvally, Haxorus, Avalugg, Guzzlord

Air Strike
All (officially) Flying-type Pokémon, plus Arceus, Silvally, Mew, Dunsparce, Shedinja, Volbeat, Illumise, Deoxys, Victini, Hoopa, Kartana

Spectral Gash
Mewtwo, Mew, Sableye, Banette line, Dusknoir line, Drifblim line, Spiritomb, Frosslass, Arceus, Golurk line, Aegislash line, Trevenant line, Gourgeist line, Hoopa, Decidueye, Silvally, Mimikyu, Dhelmise, Lunala, Marshadow, Blacephalon

Gem Storm
Omastar line, Magcargo line, Corsola, Cradily line, Lunatone, Bastiodon line, Vespiquen, Probopass, Dialga, Palkia, Arceus, Gigalith line, Archeops line, Aurorus line, Carbink, Diancie, Minior, Nihilego
 
Ooh, new stuff

I'm on vacation in Canada currently, which is why I haven't posted in a while.


(Healer or space-type rotom doesn't make too much sense as it's supposed to be common appliances, but time-type works since clocks are very common, and Eevee needs an interesting way that makes sense for it to be given a certain type evolution)
btw, it's called heart

Are there any common appliances that are related enough to hearts or space?

Regarding eeveelutions, here are some random names I me and some other people came up with
Healtheon (Heart)
Pharmeon (Heart)
Cardeon (suggested by Origin0)
Careon (suggested by Samtendo09)

Paleon (Time)
Houreon (suggested by Samtendo09)

Cosmeon (Space)
Stelleon (Space)
Galacteon (Space) or Galaxeon (suggested by Origin0)
Incogneon (Space)
Hubbleon (Space)
Stareon (suggested by Origin0)

I liked Paleon so much that I didn't bother with any other Time names
 
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Are there any common appliances that are related enough to hearts or space?
I can't think of any super common household items related to either, but I think a Defibrillator for Heart and a Telescope for Space would be good.

Regarding eeveelutions, here are some random names I came up with
For Heart, I think Pharmeon is better. My idea is Healeon, but it might be too obvious.

Paleon is a good name.

I think Cosmeon sounds too similar to Cosmoem. My favourite are Galacteon and Stelleon.
 
Let me just reply to everyone who talked to me....
Because not every gen 6 mon was a fairy, was it?

Why should our fake gen be the same way?
Because we are not making a fake gen, we're making new types and adding pokemon for those types.
Ooh, new stuff

I'm on vacation in Canada currently, which is why I haven't posted in a while.



btw, it's called heart

Are there any common appliances that are related enough to hearts or space?

Regarding eeveelutions, here are some random names I came up with
Healtheon (Heart)
Pharmeon (Heart)

Paleon (Time)
Cosmeon (Space)
Stelleon (Space)
Galacteon (Space)
Incogneon (Space)
Hubbleon (Space)

I liked Paleon so much that I didn't bother with any other Time names
I don't think there are any common household appliances, so maybe space-type and heart-type is a bust (since most telescopes i've seen don't require electricity). The Eevee names are interesting but we'd need a way for it to evolve (Maybe we could use a moon stone for the space-type, and for time-type..... Maybe turning it upside down like inkay, representing an hourglass? I like that idea. no idea for heart-type though)
 
Are there any common appliances that are related enough to hearts or space?
I agree with Brodaha, can't really think of anything else for Heart. But maybe also a satellite dish for Space, since it's electrical.

Regarding eeveelutions, here are some random names I came up with
Maybe Cardeon for Heart too. I like Paleon for Time, and I suggest Galaxeon rather than Galacteon for Space.
 
The Eevee names are interesting but we'd need a way for it to evolve (Maybe we could use a moon stone for the space-type, and for time-type..... Maybe turning it upside down like inkay, representing an hourglass? I like that idea. no idea for heart-type though)
Some ideas for evolution methods
Same as Sylveon but with a Heart move
Trade with a Heart Scale
Level 20-25? with a Heart Scale
Evolve at a really high level (Level 30-60?)
Trade holding any Fossil
Level 20-25? holding any Fossil
Level 20-25? around a meteor (like Leafeon and Glaceon)
Level 20-25? in space (idk)

Trade with Stardust (suggested by Jpixelcube)
Level 20-25? with Stardust (suggested by Jpixelcube)


I agree with Brodaha, can't really think of anything else for Heart. But maybe also a satellite dish for Space, since it's electrical.


Maybe Cardeon for Heart too. I like Paleon for Time, and I suggest Galaxeon rather than Galacteon for Space.

I added your name suggestions to the list. Also, I might make the satellite dish sprite when I'm bored or when I get back.
 
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Don't forget that none of the official Eeveelutions were fully viable in OU, so they had to make up for being mono-typed.

For Eeveelution names, all I can think is Careon (Heart), Houreon (Time) and Stareon (Space).

I'll also include Eeveelution names for a few types that were previously submitted (and may win later if resubmitted): Noeeon (Mirror), Fangeon (Beast), Rogueon (Chaos), Mytheon (Fey), Voiceon (Sound) and Shineon (Light).
 
I agree with Brodaha, can't really think of anything else for Heart. But maybe also a satellite dish for Space, since it's electrical.


Maybe Cardeon for Heart too. I like Paleon for Time, and I suggest Galaxeon rather than Galacteon for Space.
Well, Satellite dishes aren't exactly common appliances either. Maybe we could do a TV, since it usually picks up radio waves, which are connected to space but.... that's very eeeh? Also I like the names you cam up with.
Some ideas for evolution methods
Same as Sylveon but with a Heart move
Trade with a Heart Scale
Level 20-25? with Heart Scale
Evolve at a really high level (Level 30-60?)
Trade holding any Fossil
Level 20-25? holding any Fossil
Level 20-25? around a meteor (like Leafeon and Glaceon)
Level 20-25? in space (idk)




I added your name suggestions to the list. Also, I might make the satellite dish sprite when I'm bored or when I get back.
I like the Heart Scale idea, Although the time ideas don't seem very interesting (I don't like trade evolutions very much, i don't like idea of holding a fossil since you usually get one of those a game, and the "really high level" thing kind-of defeats the purpose of eevee's many evolutions if there's one that just evolves by level. I'm not saying this because i like my flip idea i honestly don't like that one too much either and had a hard time getting malamar because of it's use of that), and with the space ones, not many games have you go near meteors or space so i don't know. maybe it could be like the heart one but with holding Stardust?
Edit: I don't know why the [Q appeared but it's gone now. forever.
 
I don't think types like Time and Space should get Eeveelutions. Heart is fine,but those universal concepts like Time, Space (Chaos too) shouldn't have them. Also there are only so much evolutions you can do before breaking the long standing stat distribution pattern.
 
I don't think types like Time and Space should get Eeveelutions. Heart is fine,but those universal concepts like Time, Space (Chaos too) shouldn't have them. Also there are only so much evolutions you can do before breaking the long standing stat distribution pattern.
While it is true that the Eeveelutions have always the same stat and shuffled around, I believe the stat distribution pattern was already broken in a few other Pokémon lines. Vileplume + Bellosom, Poliwrath + Politoed, Beautifly + Dustox and Ninjask + Shedinja does not have the same BST, and Glalie + Froslass doesn't even have the stat same pattern as seen below.

glalie.gif
80 HP / 80 ATK / 80 DEF / 80 SPA / 80 SPD / 80 SPE vs
froslass.gif
70 HP / 80 ATK / 70 DEF / 80 SPA / 70 SPD / 110 SPE

As a result, I do not believe that the new Eeveelutions should really follow the stat patterns if we want them to be at least have a niche in OU.
 
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I believe the stat distribution pattern was already broken, just consistent. Vileplume + Bellosom, Poliwrath + Politoed, Beautifly + Dustox and Ninjask + Shedinja does not have the same BST, and Glalie + Froslass doesn't even have the stat same pattern as seen below.

glalie.gif
80 HP / 80 ATK / 80 DEF / 80 SPA / 80 SPD / 80 SPE vs
froslass.gif
70 HP / 80 ATK / 70 DEF / 80 SPA / 70 SPD / 110 SPE

As a result, I do not believe that the new Eeveelutions should really follow the stat patterns if we want them to be at least have a niche in OU.
Pretty sure G-Luke meant the Eeveelutions having the same stats, just shuffled around.
 
I agree with G-Luke in which Heart-eon should be the only eeveelution added so far, since time and space dont really make much sense.

If i would do stats/abilities it would be

110 / 65 / 95 / 65 / 130 / 60

which would be a bulky user that would utilize Heart's healing abilities and benefits to it's extent.
 
I agree with G-Luke in which Heart-eon should be the only eeveelution added so far, since time and space dont really make much sense.

If i would do stats/abilities it would be

110 / 65 / 95 / 65 / 130 / 60

which would be a bulky user that would utilize Heart's healing abilities and benefits to it's extent.
TBH heart was the one i didn't want the most, because we already have sylveon which would likely be too close to the heart-eon for my liking. I don't see why time and space-eons don't make too much sense, since the types we have are Fire, Grass, Electric, Ice, Grass, Psychic, Dark, and Fairy...... Not exactly a group of types that make a bunch of sense. My idea on the time-eon's stats would be....
65 / 95 / 60 / 110 / 65 / 130
or something around these. This would make it the fastest Eeveelution with Jolteon, which I think fits considering it's the time one, and makes it a bit more specially-focused, which, since time is a more abstract and, pardon my lousy pun, "special" thing, I think makes sense.
 
I agree with G-Luke in which Heart-eon should be the only eeveelution added so far, since time and space dont really make much sense.

If i would do stats/abilities it would be

110 / 65 / 95 / 65 / 130 / 60

which would be a bulky user that would utilize Heart's healing abilities and benefits to it's extent.
What about something more like:

130 / 60 / 110 / 65 / 95 / 65

Which would differentiate it more from Umbreon (higher physical bulk than special) and allow it to pass fat wishes and the like, which really resonates with healing
 
There's been a lot of discussion I've missed over the last couple of weeks, so sorry if I repeat things that have already been said:

All existing Eeveelutions are types that are traditionally Special based. The only exceptions to this are Sylveon which is Fairy type (introduced after the physical/special split but still has strong Special connections) and Dragon type that does not have an Eeveelution (...yet). If Eeveelutions are introduced into this mod then they should follow the rule that they should follow this theme. This is probably irrelevant at this stage since Time, Space, and Heart could all be considered 'Special' but if types such as Wood or Blade are introduced they shouldn't get Eeveelutions.

Similar thing with Rotom, all Rotom forms are based on everyday household appliances, this theme could easily continue into this mod. Rotom-Watch makes sense and to some degree so does Rotom-Defibrillator to some degree since most workplaces, schools, sport clubs, shopping centres, etc have access to these now, they could be considered everyday appliances. However Rotom-Satellite or Telescope probably aren't as everyday as the other forms.
 
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