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Originally Posted by Fat Deck Knight
The pro-gay lobby gives us wonderful phrases like "AIDS doesn't discriminate" despite the fact that, per the link in my first series of posts, Male-to-male sexual contact is larger than the next largest cause (injection needles) by over 250%. They are the people who get a judicial fiat through the Massachusetts Supreme Court and then push their propaganda through the public schools (while public school officials assert that Massachusetts parents have no domain over what the school teaches their children.)
m0nkfish said:
What's your point? This has nothing to do with marriage. Gay marriage will neither encourage nor discourage homosexuality. The only way STIs will be affected is by the reduction of promiscuity through marriage.
Actually it will encourage homosexuality by preventing it as a viable and morally acceptable alternative to heterosexual relationships. It will turn a lot of those "bi and questioning types" to engage in homosexual behavior. You have made a ridiculous assertion that if Behavior A is considered acceptable and morrally right where previous it was shunned, that more people will not try Behavior A.
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Originally Posted by Fat Deck Knight
Funny, I just found this.
https://www.massresistance.org/docs/...107/index.html
It is well established that homosexual activities are dangerous, but of course, some groups help kids hook up.
m0nkfish said:
Stop being an ignorant bigot. Homosexual activities are not dangerous. Irresponsible teenagers who have unprotected sex are dangerous - the more they are educated and supported, the more responsible they will be.
So what you're saying is male-to-male sexual contact (an activity belonging exclusively to homosexuals) is not dangerous. You also have made the compelling argument that I'm an ignorant bigot. Nevermind that supposed "safe sex seminars" have caused more teenage promiscuity even if they have marginally reduced teen pregnancy.
I also like the ad hominem attack. Kudos.
This has absolutely no relevance and your integrity is weakened by even mentioning it. 'Fisting' is neither dangerous nor exclusively homosexual.
It isn't about the activity it is about the fact that homosexual activists think it a neccesary public service.
From the article:
On March 25, a statewide conference, called "Teach-Out," was sponsored by the Massachusetts Department of Education, the Governor's Commission on Gay and Lesbian Youth, and the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network (GLSEN).
Among the goals were to build more Gay/Straight Alliances in Massachusetts and expand homosexual teaching into the lower grades. Scores of gay-friendly teachers and administrators attended. They received state "professional development credits."
Teenagers and children as young as 12 were encouraged to come from around the state, and many were bussed in from their home districts. Homosexual activists from across the country were also there.
Expanding homosexual teaching in public schools at
state-sponsored events, a lofty goal indeed.
And here is an article on just how much gays value marriage:
They want the right to no-fault divorce. They consider it a horrible abuse of civil rights if, once married in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts they do not have the freedom to disavow that marriage in Rhode Island (and presumably, any other state.) In short, they want to treat marriage with the same flippancy that too many heterosexuals do.
Homosexuals already have equal protection under the law. They can marry any person of the opposite gender that they please aside from their immediate family. Homosexual marriages are demonstrably inferior because they lack two things: sexual complimentarity and procreative ability. Two homosexuals can never form a full union with each other because even they know their acts are purely for their own pleasure. Recognizing such arrangements gives nothing back to society and gives the public O-K to engage in risky abnormal behaviors. A Homosexual marriage is only about the vanity of two adults. Homosexual couples with children is an extreme outlier among homosexual relationships which is precisely why I would only allow a civil union policy to cover statutes regarding life protection and post-mortem financial concerns.
Big Bayou said:
How can anyone have a debate with you when you flame others for making sweeping generalizations about your sources (
www.catholic.com being the most questionable) and then turn around and make ridiculous generalizations about pro-gay establishments in the same paragraph? All of your hateful, misinformed posts do this and frankly I had to stop myself from reading them before I stabbed my monitor. It's utter hypocrisy.
Basically your posts are supported by your extremely skewed personally beliefs and by such a large number of far-biased sources that they need to be taken with a Mansa Musa sized reserve of salt grains. Good grief.
Prove my views are "hateful, misinformed, and extremely skewed." What you're actually saying is "I disagree with you, therefore you are wrong."
If you all want to argue that if you don't support gay marriage you're a bigot, fine. In the meantime you are arguing the source, not the substance. Given that the source cites other sources for reference, I'm inclined to believe you don't have an argument to counter the substance.
m0nkfish said:
Coming from a Christian I find it hilarious that you are complaining of a group of people "indoctrinating children". The indoctrination of ignorance and prejudice against homosexuality at an early age is a much more dangerous one.
Homosexuality destroys lives. Christianity saves them. Homosexuals have greatly shortened lifespans, Christians have longer than average ones. You're more upset about supposed "indocrination and ignorance" which you appear to define as "opposition to changing state and federal laws to accomodate unions that offer nothing but negative effects to the community." What has homosexuality brought to society m0nkfish, other than the rampant spread of AIDS and other venereal diseases? Has the open acceptance that screwing with whoever you please brought anything valuable? Has self-identifying oneself by the urge they have to screw a certain gender of other people contributed anything to society?
I'd much rather be indoctrinated to love and support my fellow man and country than to be indoctrinated to believe having homosexual relations are morally acceptable and equivalent in value to heterosexual ones. The former indoctrination has kept American society at the top of the hill for centuries, the latter is a new invention making apologetics for the bad behaviors of human beings.
I realise that most such events and behaviour are an effort to try and get more ignorant people to accept homosexuality, but it creates a stigma for itself in the minds of those who have already accepted sexuality as something that doesn't have to define you as a person.
Your problem is that you start with the assumption that people who don't accept homosexuality as morally valid are ignorant. I believe the reverse: People who accept homosexuality as morally valid are willfully ignorant of the damage it causes. Your thirst for "curing ignorance" can never be quenched until you force every single person to change their beliefs to match yours. It is readily apparent your preferred method for "education" is calling them ignorant bigots. Furthermore, Homosexuals are entirely about "having something that defines you as a person." The man in the kindergarten propaganda vid basically said that not being openly homosexual would be akin to playing soccer without his right shin. Self-identifying by sexuality is what the entire gay movement is all about. It isn't enough that they realize they have these destructive tendencies, they must announce it to the world and make it part of their identity. Not happy to be John Smith, they feel they must be John Smith, homosexual. They relish in the fact they have an aberrant attraction to people of the same gender.
Fact is, Gays hate Christians because they know we are right and they hate we aren't buying into their garbage.
They fake hate crimes against themselves trying to blame Christians for bigotry in order to ram their agenda through.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_n17_v50/ai_21129275
At Eastern New Mexico University, threatening posters started appearing around campus last September. "Are you sick of queers polluting this great land with there [sic] filth?" asked the error-ridden fliers. "I thought so. Want to do something? Join the Fist of God. With his might, we can ride [sic] the world of there [sic] sickness. Ask around. We'll find you." The poster identified eight people on campus as homosexual and concluded: "Take us seriously, or we'll begin executing one queer a week following this list."
The four men and four women listed soon received threatening e-mail messages and letters. Shortly after the posters appeared, the person whose name topped the list, a lesbian teaching assistant named Miranda Prather, was attacked in her home. She told police a masked assailant had slashed her cheek with a kitchen knife.
In the ensuing investigation, police examined surveillance footage of a nearby laundromat where the threatening fliers had been posted. Their search was ultimately successful, and they were able to identify the culprit as . . . Miranda Prather. Later, they found a knife in Miss Prather's apartment that matched the wounds in her cheek.
Tolerance. When the hate that homosexual activists think is there actually isn't, they do all sorts of horrendous things to prove "the hate is real!" The homosexual lobby has proven itself untrustworthy. They will sacrifice everything for their cause, no matter who gets hurt or what they have to say. Gay marriage is just one of the many issues these despicable folks support.
