especially when you know that it is worse than you can achieve from meta. it's not like you are unaware. you are using an inferior, to yourself, scumhunting method and you know it. that i believe makes you culpable
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'LE' Smogn invttonl Gam Thred (Mafia Wins)
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what the fuck is this post
doing otherwise*
that's what i thought. let me explain it to you
a soldier was accused (among other suspects) of sabotaging a mission to kill the enemy soldiers. this soldier has a certain condition, unsteady hands, which causes his aim to be pretty bad unless he takes his specially prescribed meds. on that day he performed the mission, it was found out after investigation (as I have found out), that he did not take those pills. the reason why? still unknown. might be accident, or might be sabotage
what will the superiors think?
what is your strongest tool for reading people?
josh has quoted himself as being a meta-y player here.
to my knowledge, he has not dug into any previous games of those he scumreads such as 3p1k and myself in order to grasp their meta. i dont remember him metaing everybody in the game in order to decipher his reads. is Josh scummy as a result? but you currently hard TR him, yes?
do you even believe what you're saying
i think you are not getting my point, either misunderstanding or deliberately misconstruing my argument.
I am accusing you of being dishonest. I am accusing you of deliberately not playing in a way that other players in this game have told me would be what you would have done as town, as well as making my own judgements as to what a town player would do.
I accuse you of, in this game, using the word "meta" to justify your reasons when you see fit to make them seem solid, but when no such "meta" is around, you push these reads with the same confidence when a town player would not be doing that. I accuse your posts and reads of serving a scum agenda
that will be all
these are the responses immediately following that comment.
I also accuse you of cherry picking, and by extension, being dishonest, by omission. First, cherry picking meta. Now, this cherry picking defence.
logic and tone.
i only call it "gut" when I am too lazy or explicitly do not want to explain my reads
you are literally grasping
what do those two quotes even indicate regarding josh's strongest tool as town? it suggests he also metas them; but it's either he has not done so this game or has not posted what he's detailed this game about other players' metas.
I had him and dle and got rid of them in the interest of consolidation
the other players in this game cannot describe my meta because they arent me. wrt other players; only example i remember is dusk; who has no idea what i do as town- he's historically misread me at least once per game as town since i've been playing with him!(2d3 d2(scumread, I was town), reinfrocements d3(townread, I was scum), matrix 1 d1(scumread, I was town), matrix 2 d5(townread, I was scum).
my backing behind my meta reads are solid and i think ive placed an example of a scenario when i have made such reads. feel free to quote me if i'm wrong.
i am not grasping at all. in fact, i think my case against you is bulletproof. you are the one who is grasping for air. especially very soon if i cannot find one town thing about your play and you get in the noose.
simply put those two quote reflect that josh was joking about "meta" being his strongest suit. it is simply untrue. the whole comment of his should be disregarded. unfortunately, you still think that it is still admissible as evidence and to your defence
the whole point of "meta" is for other players to look at your behavior in past games and form a profile out of it. I am sure that the other players in this game have played with you before, perhaps multiple games, and are therefore qualified to give meta descriptions of you.
by the same vein, you can give meta description on other player even if you haven't played with them, only by reading their past games. You aren't duskfall, yet you can describe his meta. you aren't texas, but you can describe his meta too.
the whole statement you have made in bold is therefore false. I find it hard to believe that any decent mafia player would say that. sometimes it makes me wonder.
i can accurately describe them because i can read them correctly a majority of the time as town and it tends to end up becoming true. they can't read me. is that false logic. there are wrong interpretations of meta; not everybody is correct on that aspect(see: 2d3 d2)
ok but vote me then if you think your case on me is impenetrable
i think your case is specifically designed to push me as a slot who's been pushed throughout the whole game and it will blow up on you if i flip since i will flip green. i will do my best to not let that happen
i didnt read those quotes like a joke; is it wrong that josh does use meta as a strong tool? you know him better than i
yes, it is wrong that josh uses meta as a strong tool. i have made 2 posts trying to explain that.
lel, are you threatening me? i've lynched people faster for less. and i was town, by the way. I do that.
vote me if you think i'm scum
if that's true then ok i mustve misread mb. i still dont think it's scum indicative to use other tools besides your strongest to generate reads though
you are conflating the two: accurately reading and giving a meta description. they are perfectly qualified to describe your character and habits. whether they can read you correctly or not is a different issue. if they are not meta-players, then it is natural that even if they have a 100% correct meta description of you, they may be unable to determine your alignment
and hell, if you are saying that their meta descriptions on you are "wrong", then your "meta" reads on josh, myself, and any player you haven't played with before and just only read their past games must be inadmissible. since you also haven't proven yourself correct on reading us. you can throw "past games" out of the window in this case.
so, yes, you are using false logic. this cognitive dissonance and double standards is very bad. and i am running out of patience explaining to every single thing to you like you are 10.
be careful what you wish for. because i will be the first to come running to hang you at end of day.
for now, i will not feed your trolling, so that you do not win :-)
any body else online ? comments, questions, likes, subscribes ??
i think they're related because the way people portray their character and habits can be linked to their alignment and the position you're playing from. especially wording. (tangential; i guess that's why some people are so hard to meta because of the multiple styles they're able to adapt to but im still learning)
i dont have a meta read on josh(and havent said so afaik) and will admittedly need to dig through for yours
i also can't prove myself correct until i see a flip
but i suppose the same applies for dusk's povunrelated but potshots like these are really obnoxious
i think they're related because the way people portray their character and habits can be linked to their alignment and the position you're playing from. especially wording. (tangential; i guess that's why some people are so hard to meta because of the multiple styles they're able to adapt to but im still learning)
i dont have a meta read on josh(and havent said so afaik) and will admittedly need to dig through for yours
i also can't prove myself correct until i see a flip
besides the fact that i barely used any of the other players' "meta description" of you except for "analytical" and winning a game 11-1, which already makes your whole post up there moot,
your post says they are related. yes they are related but they are not the same thing. unfortunately you are pushing that they are the same thing "can't read me = meta on me is wrong" which in itself is wrong.
your posts seem to insinuate how anything that duskfall says about you is bullshit just because "he can't read you" while discounting the number of games of experience that he had playing with you. i'm not one to talk but that is straight up disrespect to duskfall and whoever the "others" you refer to who are have not been named. I'm sure potshots like that must be as obnoxious for him from his PoV as well, so...
