NOC D6 Mafia Game Thread [Day 4; Deadline June 1 at 6 PM EST]

[M2H]

Except he didn't. He came in, made the vote and left. You didn't ask him, so he's not dodging anything

P sure I tagged him in a post and he ignored it. Lemme check.

 

[CaffeineBoost]

I think you are still probably scum, but I don't want you to just get piled on here either so I'm going to warn you not to get too over defensive (which you already seem to be doing and isn't a good sign). If you are town, don't prove it by making excuses for your play, do it by acting towny going forward.

That being said mewtwo, where is your head at rn with regards to reads?

Not entirely sure why you've decided to audition for the role of mildly condescending tutorial. Also that bit in bold is weird. Mind clarifying why you don't want somebody you think is scum to be piled on?

Everything I've seen from caffeine has been over the top

Over the top you say?

Those are probably the people I'm most inclined to pursue. For now,

vote bluedoom

I'd also like to add ZestOfLife to the list of people worth looking into. From the games I've played with Whydon, seeing him drop into the thread, say "hi", then just leave is really not surprising nor meaningful. Zest however I expected more from. So ZestOfLife mind sharing your thoughts on the proceedings thus far with us?

From what I've seen of town vs scum bomb moss, town bomb moss has a lot messier thoughts if that makes sense. Meta could be outdated but his opening felt miles closer to town!moss

Hi, what is a bomb moss?

Hm I angleshot caffeine reading small street which looks pretty good imo.

The main thing I'm getting from small street is that you also rvs'd DS there and the reaction was different to what we've seen in this thread. He was scum in that game though so that'd imply town? DS's vote on you this game and the reasoning behind it is really bothering me though so I don't know whether DS is town or scum this time round. He seems to be posting like town. Idk.

 

[Athena_57]

RVS is not an excuse for horrible vote reasons and the second part doesn't evenactually make sense in regard to what you quoted

Without delving into whether it's correct or not, people do mess around in rvs and will shitpost/make up bullshit reasons to vote

Yes, it is relevant. You're saying him voting you for reasons applicable not to this game is scummy, I'm saying that if he felt it to be the correct play it's towny even if it's bad.

 

[Athena_57]

CaffeineBoost oh, bomb moss is jordan/xnadrojx

 

[M2H]

Frankly, just because Hannah defended me doesn't make either of us scum. Town defending town in this game is entirely possible. With that said I don't know how I feel about Hannah. Her entrance was fairly good and felt genuine. Samoyed can you explain why you voted for Hannah in the first place.

 

[DS.]

Less a specific word, more a specific phrase. Appeal to Emotion or AtE as it's commonly called.

Had a read through things. DS vs Mewtwo doesn't really convince me that Mewtwo is the lynch. If anything it makes me see Mewtwo as town more. I don't see DS being scum either.
I have a gut feeling that Hal is town in this game. The way he's posting is similar to games I've played with him but there's less of it, which makes sense given that he's on holiday or something idk.
Nadroj also seems like town, just seems to have a good tone.
Dusk is giving me some weird vibes but this is also kinda how I remember what Town Dusk plays like. Really don't think it's enough to put him down as a Town Lean though.
I really thought Zest would post more. He may play Forum mafia differently to PS mafia though so idk.

So where does that bring us? Well unfortunately as I was typing up my list of reads I was assaulted by a kid with a bionic selfie stick arm who told me I was too old to understand. Not entirely sure what it was I was supposed to understand but my leg is bruised and I've decided to get more hip by doing stuff that's more with the times. One of the "hottest memes" going round the internet right now is that of the tier list. So, from now on I shall be providing my read lists in the form of a tier list so I don't get attacked by a mercenary from the youngest generation.

Tier List of Reads

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I really like the tiers thing

 

[DS.]

Without delving into whether it's correct or not, people do mess around in rvs and will shitpost/make up bullshit reasons to vote

Yes, it is relevant. You're saying him voting you for reasons applicable not to this game is scummy, I'm saying that if he felt it to be the correct play it's towny even if it's bad.

You're assuming his alignment there. If he felt it to be the correct play and he is scum it's scummy, not towny.

 

[Athena_57]

MewtwoHidden
Uh, that post you just quoted was made after you attacked him for dodging that question. Either you're a time traveler or my point stands

 

[DS.]

Not entirely sure why you've decided to audition for the role of mildly condescending tutorial. Also that bit in bold is weird. Mind clarifying why you don't want somebody you think is scum to be piled on?

Over the top you say?

I'd also like to add ZestOfLife to the list of people worth looking into. From the games I've played with Whydon, seeing him drop into the thread, say "hi", then just leave is really not surprising nor meaningful. Zest however I expected more from. So ZestOfLife mind sharing your thoughts on the proceedings thus far with us?

Hi, what is a bomb moss?

The main thing I'm getting from small street is that you also rvs'd DS there and the reaction was different to what we've seen in this thread. He was scum in that game though so that'd imply town? DS's vote on you this game and the reasoning behind it is really bothering me though so I don't know whether DS is town or scum this time round. He seems to be posting like town. Idk.

What about my reaction bothered you?

 

[CaffeineBoost]

RVS is not an excuse for horrible vote reasons and the second part doesn't evenactually make sense in regard to what you quoted

I'm not entirely sure how Mewtwo's vote on you in RVS can be in any way scum indicative considering that Mewtwo did the same thing in Small Street as town. Please explain the differences between this situation and that situation.

 

[M2H]

MewtwoHidden
Uh, that post you just quoted was made after you attacked him for dodging that question. Either you're a time traveler or my point stands

What post are you referring to exactly?

 

[DS.]

I'm not entirely sure how Mewtwo's vote on you in RVS can be in any way scum indicative considering that Mewtwo did the same thing in Small Street as town. Please explain the differences between this situation and that situation.

He's actually RVS'd me in every game we've played together but never for any actual reason. His reason here felt forced in comparison.

 

[Athena_57]

You're assuming his alignment there. If he felt it to be the correct play and he is scum it's scummy, not towny.

Splitting hairs and deflecting my argument. I was saying I cared about him being genuine. If I feel he's genuine / believe his motivation came from a town mindset (even if it's incorrect) it's towny

 

[DS.]

Splitting hairs and deflecting my argument. I was saying I cared about him being genuine. If I feel he's genuine / believe his motivation came from a town mindset (even if it's incorrect) it's towny

I am deflecting your argument because it is bad and based off of emotion.

Just because you believe something to be true does not mean that I have to agree with you.

You were the one responding to me so.. not really sure what you want me to say to this as I'm just not seeing it the same way as you.

 

[CaffeineBoost]

He's actually RVS'd me in every game we've played together but never for any actual reason. His reason here felt forced in comparison.

Mind clarifying which reason you are referring to?

Because nobody wants 200 pages to read again this game.

This is what I have as the reason behind the RVS vote.

 

[Athena_57]

What post are you referring to exactly?

quoting it doesnt work bc multiquoting isnt a thing here, but the one you quoted on this page.

Timeline:
Sam votes
Your post that pinged me
Your post asking him

I was pinged by the fact that you were adressing the crowd, not him. You reply by saying he was dodging your question and you were calling him out. I say you never asked him. You quote the post where you ask him, which was posted by you after your "callout" post and is therefore not the question he was supposedly dodging

 

[DS.]

Mind clarifying which reason you are referring to?

This is what I have as the reason behind the RVS vote.

That's the one

 

[Athena_57]

I am deflecting your argument because it is bad and based off of emotion.

Just because you believe something to be true does not mean that I have to agree with you.

You were the one responding to me so.. not really sure what you want me to say to this as I'm just not seeing it the same way as you.

I don't need you to agree w/ me or give an answer if you don't, but my point is I think your line of questioning was bad bc it was upholding him to what you see as correct play, when I care about motivation behind actions, not their correctness. Agree to disagree I suppose, but I fail to see how this is based on emotion.

 

[CaffeineBoost]

That's the one

I can't really see that reason as anything other than a joke. In what way is it forced?

 

[DS.]

I don't need you to agree w/ me or give an answer if you don't, but my point is I think your line of questioning was bad bc it was upholding him to what you see as correct play, when I care about motivation behind actions, not their correctness. Agree to disagree I suppose, but I fail to see how this is based on emotion.

But you're saying that because it's RVS there is no motivation because it's just RVS. So which is it? Do you care about the motivation or does the motivation not matter because it's just a random vote?

Also It's based on emotion because you say things like "I feel he's being genuine" etc etc instead of just taking things at face value. He voted me and his reason was that I'm the most active player. That is sus to me.

 

[DS.]

I can't really see that reason as anything other than a joke. In what way is it forced?

Did not come off as a joke to me. Came off as a bad justification to a vote

 

[Athena_57]

But you're saying that because it's RVS there is no motivation because it's just RVS. So which is it? Do you care about the motivation or does the motivation not matter because it's just a random vote?

Also It's based on emotion because you say things like "I feel he's being genuine" etc etc instead of just taking things at face value. He voted me and his reason was that I'm the most active player. That is sus to me.

Bear with me bc this is a fun "If I were you but not really" argument

I believe(d) it was a random vote and therefore don't think it's either towny or scummy
But if I didn't believe people RVS and were to take his reason at facevalue (which you did) I wouldn't care about correctness but scum intent. Basically I think regardless of whether RVS is real or a hoax your argument is bad.

 

[Athena_57]

Bear with me bc this is a fun "If I were you but not really" argument

I believe(d) it was a random vote and therefore don't think it's either towny or scummy
But if I didn't believe people RVS and were to take his reason at facevalue (which you did) I wouldn't care about correctness but scum intent. Basically I think regardless of whether RVS is real or a hoax your argument is bad.

the (d) after believe is bc he started defending his vote against you later on ftr, see this post here:

That said, Mewtwo sort of digging themselves in and giving rationale for what was quite clearly an RVS vote feels super weird to me. Will check but I feel like they even said at some point all their early votes were random? Kind of weird to hop into defensive and act as if it was made with a pro-town reason in retrospect

which I still think is very relevant and want thoughts on from people who do believe in rvs

 

[M2H]

quoting it doesnt work bc multiquoting isnt a thing here, but the one you quoted on this page.

Timeline:
Sam votes
Your post that pinged me
Your post asking him

I was pinged by the fact that you were adressing the crowd, not him. You reply by saying he was dodging your question and you were calling him out. I say you never asked him. You quote the post where you ask him, which was posted by you after your "callout" post and is therefore not the question he was supposedly dodging

You've got the timeline wrong

Hannah comes in in a fairly towny way
Samo votes for her
I call him out for it
You quote me calling him out as a bad example
Samo says his vote was RVS
Samo switches to voting me and attacks Hannah for voting me but gives caffeine a town read
I call him out bc caffeine has been defending me very strongly.
I respond to your quote which was calling him out for the original Hannah vote

 

[DS.]

Bear with me bc this is a fun "If I were you but not really" argument

I believe(d) it was a random vote and therefore don't think it's either towny or scummy
But if I didn't believe people RVS and were to take his reason at facevalue (which you did) I wouldn't care about correctness but scum intent. Basically I think regardless of whether RVS is real or a hoax your argument is bad.

We will reassess once one of you flip :3