NOC 2OC2NOC - Day 7: Zorbees is Dead.

bluedoom said:
why are people scum reading om room btw
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1) He has almost 100 posts without attempting to gamesolve even once, I can appreciate some meming, I do it myself, but you have to try at least a little

2) He is usually a lot more innocent in tone as town, there is absolute none of that here

3) Tbz, who is in my towncore, and should be in yours says he is scum, and tbz should have the best read on OM in the game considering how much they have played together

4) He voted in the trio twice, without really considering options, and managed to not hit the one guy I think is most likely to be scum, making it likely they are partners, it doesnt help his reasoning for voting me and hal was nearly non existent and created after the act of actually voting us seemingly
 
Hitmonleet said:
votals 1:
CaffeineBoost: Bluedoom
Apricity: OM Room, Rssp1, Ullar
Duskfall: Asek, Zorbees, Martin
shubaka: SB
OM Room: Panic Station
Panic Station: XnadrojX
Texas Cloverleaf: Bloodyrain
Nuxl: Thunder~BALLZ

Votals 2:
shubaka: refa
Duskfall: OM Room, Zorbees
Panic Station: Asek
Apricity: Xnadrojx, rssp1, Martin, Ullar
Zorbees: shubaka
Texas Cloberleaf: Bloodyrain
OM Room: Thunder~BALLZ

This should be accurate up until now.
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use ur vote 1's to vote in the apricity / nuxl / duskfall pool
use ur vote 2 on someone els. i think knights play is bad but its the bad that is more indictiive of his towngame than the ickyness he pretty obviously gives off in his scumgame. in all honesty. idk who i want to vote for as ive been ignoring this game a fair bit. too many people skayng by that i could vote for.

such it is decreed
 
Asek said:
use ur vote 1's to vote in the apricity / nuxl / duskfall pool
use ur vote 2 on someone els. i think knights play is bad but its the bad that is more indictiive of his towngame than the ickyness he pretty obviously gives off in his scumgame. in all honesty. idk who i want to vote for as ive been ignoring this game a fair bit. too many people skayng by that i could vote for.

such it is decreed
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I also remember there being bananas in the thread so I genuinely think you submitted the cat banana image as your OC.
 
Duskfall98 said:
You are acting like I never want to lynch there whereas I simple do not feel a need to rush into lynching it d1. This information is going nowhere, and I therefore do not feel the need to rush it d1. You are trying to sort me only half way, you are only questioning the scum incentive of my actions, rather than also considering if there is town incentive. What does town me lose from lynching elsewhere today? Nothing. If I die, then that guarentees a 1v1 tomorrow and I will never be mislynched. If one of the others die, I know that the last person in the trio is scum. The very worst that can happen from not lynching there today is...nothing? So I don't feel like I need to lynch there, if someone pings me is scum will I? Sure. But I am not tunneling myself in because there is no net gain from doing so, when the exact same interaction will just continue tomorrow.

To follow from this, hal has already claimed a vig, given the fact that he has this, I am going to assume if he is town he will be shooting in the trio, and no town is ever doccing any of the trio today, so that is going to give us a whole lot more info tomorrow if we don't lynch in our trio. It is easy to go "oh wow at least one scum in group x", but it is one-dimensional to believe you have to use the info you gain instantly when there are better ways to go about it, and plenty of time to solve it less wastefully.
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There's no logical reason to delay at worst 1/3 (or in your case, 1/2) chance of lynching scum on D1. I don't believe that there is a town motive behind your actions. Town!You 1) has not actually offered a Lynch outside of the wagon 2) has two lynches, so can Lynch both in and outside of the wagon 3) has no reason to not go for the at worst 1/2 chance of lynching scum (which Is actually higher if you have any sort of read on the other people). Your motivations are centered solely in self preservation, and not hunting scum. Even outside of this BTW, nothing you've done has made me think "oh, maybe I could be wrong about this" or "I can't see scum doing that". Like, let's say you had a great scum read on someone else (in this case, two people because you can Lynch two people). Then I would be like "oh, Duskfall has a valid reason to Lynch outside of the wagon; I don't agree with it, but I can see why he'd do so as town". This has not happened. The net gain is lynching scum LOL.

You are voting Hal. It will be hard for him to shoot in the trio if he gets fucking lynched; like what is this bullshit ass reasoning you're pulling here? Why are you assuming that your scum read is town? Again, you keep saying of "this is information and we can use information later" when you have offered no better alternatives/votes/options WRT hunting scum.

bluedoom Can you explain why Caffeineboost is scummy in more detail? I don't even remember their posts at all NGL.

Duskfall98 said:
It is not that I am actively avoiding lynching those 2, it is the fact that the information one of those two is likely scum is going nowhere so there is no need to rush into it.

So far refa pinged me and om pinged me, but I have secondary reasoning I can't really say that suggests refa is somewhere near their town meta even if I am scumleaning on them. I'd say so far I would want to lynch om, and secondary lynch is kinda up in the air rn. I am trying my best to find town more than anything because I think in a mash (this is essentially a mash), it does town a lot more benefit to clear players than to endlessly scumhunt. It is very easy to find a reason to lynch someone in a game this size, with so many players. The best thing we can do really is just try our best to reduce down the poe, especially d1.

I probably went a bit off topic tbh, but in regards to who exactly I WANT to lynch today, om seems to have been talking shite so that is a good one to start imo.
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Why do you want to Lynch OM? Why does it benefit town more to clear players than to scum hunt?
Martin said:
Gut town on refa. I think his intentons r good but also disagree w/ him in that imo self preservation this early on isn’t alignment indicative. Assuming dusk!town self preservation is pro-town until we have info to make risking himself beneficial to town bc he’s conf town to himself; other alignments obviously also want to self preserve bc numbers/wincons, so u can’t really draw a conc from that. Other than that tho don’t have any major issues.

Null read on dusk

Scum lean on shub; went on a weird tunnel on zorb over the contract thing with very shaky logic; feels like an ultirior motive—pushing attention off of a buddy maybe?
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I don't think self preservation on its own is scummy, but self preservation over scum hunting in his position is.

Nuxl Hey, what's your reads on Duskfall and Hal ATM? Can you elaborate on why you believe that the Lynch should be between the three? I mean, I agree with you, just want to hear your reasoning there I suppose. Got a good feeling from your spam posting TBH. I don't know what to make of Hal, so I wouldn't be uh...opposed to that Lynch but I wouldn't vote it.

Panic Station said:
bluegummybear If Debt is who I think he is, he probably sent in an OC built around an angel harem.
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This guy sounds like my personal hero NGL.

MewtwoHidden Why are you town reading Bloody and TBZ? I don't have any opinions on them so would appreciate the additional input.

SB. I can kind of guess that you have a role related reason to have a light town read on Duskfall, but can you uh elaborate on this further? Not the role related reason, I mean your town read.

Duskfall98 said:
I know I said I didn't want to lynch in the trio today necessarily, but I am pretty confident this is is scum nuxl. It lacks pretty much everything that town nuxl uses to solve, and is just generally scummy and seems anxious as (I think) m2h said. He seems to be panicking about being in the trio and trying to get otheres lynched rather than solving the game the way town nuxl would.

Even if nuxl was town and decided to lynch one of my or apricity, he wouldn't seem to settle for it like he is now. He would be trying to solve the whole game and massively tryharding. Town nuxl asks millions of questions to nearly every player in the game usually before forming a read. But here he just decides I am scum without questioning me. (Asking me a question and then scumreading before I answer does not count). He also townreads refa/m2h without interacting with them at all, probably because they are already townread by others I assume? Yeah, this is just not something nuxl would do as town tbh.
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I don't think you're contradicting what you said earlier, but I don't get why Nuxl is scummy? Maybe I'm being dumb here because I agreed with what he said but how is he not solving? Why does scum Nuxl want to force a Lynch in the trio?

I don't really like your second point on a personal level because there are reasons for a player to act differently (keep in mind that I don't know Nuxl's meta so I'm just going off what you are saying) and it feels like you're scum reading him for not living up to your expectations of him. It's not bad reasoning or anything but I've been on the wrong end of this as town a decent amount so it's hard to buy into it. Fair enough on his town reads feeling thrown in there.
 
SB. said:
Townies do disruptive stuff all of the time though. There has to be more to it than that.

Idt Caff’s claim on OM is meaningful, there was probably always going to be multiple redirects this game anyway.

Going to respond to what I can but I probably won’t be caught up until after class.
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My read on OM is a mindset read on this point. Because he didn't just bounce around doing something disruptive and unhelpful, he bounced around doing something disruptive and unhelpful and then laughed about it. The post where I complained about how his actions were doing something unhelpful has a big fat HaHa reaction on it. He's not contributing to scumhunting, he's just going around messing with people and enjoying it all the while. That doesn't seem like the mindset of a guy who came here to play and solve, so I suspect the mindset is not coming from a Townie.
 
Refa said:
You are voting Hal. It will be hard for him to shoot in the trio if he gets fucking lynched; like what is this bullshit ass reasoning you're pulling here? Why are you assuming that your scum read is town? Again, you keep saying of "this is information and we can use information later" when you have offered no better alternatives/votes/options WRT hunting scum.
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I know I am nitpicking here I know, but this just isn't true and it really is frustrating when someone starts things that aren't true
 
Refa Tbh after reading your last post idk if you made it without catching up fully, if you have tunneled me or if you are scum trying to mislynch me but can you actually revise that post when you catch up fully?
 
Refa There isn't a lot to read but you can read page 28 for reference. His votes are kinda made for the memes but the part about claiming being redirected to om just seemed out of context compared to everything else happening in the thread. Kinda like, that info wasn't really relevant? So it felt more filler-ish, for lack of a better word, along with his other posts mostly casing tbz or just making the meme vote on heal.
 
Duskfall98 said:
I know I am nitpicking here I know, but this just isn't true and it really is frustrating when someone starts things that aren't true
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*You were voting Hal at the time you made that post. I'm uh...not sure how you didn't get that.

bluedoom said:
Refa There isn't a lot to read but you can read page 28 for reference. His votes are kinda made for the memes but the part about claiming being redirected to om just seemed out of context compared to everything else happening in the thread. Kinda like, that info wasn't really relevant? So it felt more filler-ish, for lack of a better word, along with his other posts mostly casing tbz or just making the meme vote on heal.
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Why is claiming to be redirected scummy? I can see it coming from scum, but honestly I thought town would be more likely to claim when not under pressure than scum. Do you think it's the volume of his meme votes that are the problem (like I know other people have done it but maybe not to the same extent)? What do you think about his case on TBZ?
 
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