Crisis in CK9++ City [Serial Killer Wins]

Heal:
>fellow smogoners. do you prefer this type of post over dogspeak? I feel like they accomplish the same things, but one is usually a lot funnier (and shorter) than the other.
Dog speak may be shorter but Cancerous was funnier, that's just my opinion though.
>on voting Jalmont
Fair enough explanation, NAI.
>I voted Jalmont because I know him best
...so it wasn't random at all then? What? Were you RVS'ing or just looking for someone to construct a case on? I don't like this vote anymore, looking a little scummy. On the other hand, why would you do this play as scum? I should think about that later.
>muh soul read
how does a soul read work
why
this doesn't make sense to push as mafia but it doesn't make sense as town either, I'm just going to assume it's a joke i'm taking too seriously
>please be patient with your instructors
my accounting prof. tried to make everyone come in for a test in a very cramped room next Tuesday before they strengthened the measures they were taking, screw her
everyone else is fine though

somitomi:
>Innocent child means confirmed town, not confirmed right.
agree, I like this.
>on heal's vote
To me it felt like Heal was sorting out his thoughts himself and changed his mind but yeah, I'm not sure why you'd paint that as an 'RVS' vote, confused me as well. Town tone but that stands out.
>more reads
i'm generally fine with this post and like that they're actually doing some work but the tone doesn't sit right with me
that could be more of a player thing than a scum/town thing, I mislynch mendelde all the time and their posting style is similar
NAI

smogon account:
>lots of questions towards somi
I like questions. Questioning is how I do things. Please continue.
>"heal, some of your jalmont reads may be coming out of thin air"
I agree that it's a lot to read out of a "blargh I want to be inactive" post but I don't know Jalmont so I honestly can't comment further than that on it.
>vote on somi
Feels like they're taking an easy vote on somi because they're kind of aggressive and players like that seem easier to build a case against just from the "I don't like being tunneled" response. Slight scum read but this could change as I read somi.
>reads with no reasons
really dude, just explain them instead of pulling teeth, if you have reads then you shouldn't need to think about the reasons
I don't like this post.
>calling yourself confirmed town is pretty townie
wha
without further context i'd assure that it's not, it's NAI
>consistently scum reading knights for bragging but coming to terms with it
I like this interaction, it's consistent. Town lean from this.
>continuing to declare reads with no info
you're killing me man
>i'm not towncoring you yet
I like this, I'm not sure if this is a setup so that they can team in thread later without suspicion but that's kinda tinfoily on my part, I'd say this is overall a townie post
>not on the list clarinet
I like you not going for the buddy, makes me feel better about the clarinet interactions.

Panic Station:
>Cancerous's intro is kind of sketch
he's having fun, it's allowed
weird af justification, was somi the other one saying this?
>pushing for reasoning behind reads
I like this, I feel like just throwing reads out without it is scummy and doesn't contribute to discussion.

heury:
>stop posing panic
I think he just does that, I get your read but I feel like him talking about his reading endevors is NAI.

Clarinet:
>smogon is just chilling thus he is town
I guess I get that vibe but that's generally what I do as mafia, just sit back and post. Pretty similar to what I'm doing now really. Valid opinion though, decent read.
>thunder might be scum
Is this a thing or are you trying to move us towards a policy lynch? NAI but I want to keep this post in mind in case it becomes relevent later.
>funky heury
Do you have examples of what was pinging you with him? I just want to sort out your read on him, I don't have much on them.
>mentions absentees again in a "no comment' fashion
hmmmm. NAI for now? Feels a little weird.
>reads list
Feels consistent overall, I think I can make out your line of thought and I like that.
>"don't commit to the reads but give me some sort of lean" "no, I make funny instead"
don't like this, I guess I can get it if they're completely null but ehhhhhhhh?
>we need a leader
town that focuses too much on leadership ends up sheeping someone and I don't like that, everyone should just make their own reads and then talk about them, this will lead to a naturally solved game if town does well enough compared to the scum's tricks
i'm not sure if this is scummy or just a fundamental disagreement about how mafia works
>can I trust you smogon, will you cheat on me with the spooky wolves?!?!
what is this post
this feels like buddying, make your own reads, you need to work together but you don't need to huddle for warmth in mafia, see above
>there's at least one talkative wolf
fair enough, can I choose you
feels like you're prompting for opinions you can latch onto like the leader thing

Cancerous:
>appears again, reminds people of someone else's question, provides very little of their own
I don't like their return post at all but it will probably get better.
>scumbuddies
interesting, can anybody tell me which posts this is referring to, I want to analyze this angle for myself
>I wasn't wagoning
true but i'm kinda lost with this discussion, I need to reread pages 1-3 I guess?

Sultan:
>oh god Cancerous has fun the agony
i'd tell you to chill out but you didn't scum read it so I won't scum read you
>don't hide
agree, poke them as long as you're doing other stuff too
>try gamesolving knights
that's just a thing he does, it's fine to hold this opinion though. Hopefully he doesn't just rebuff people for the entire post though while taking the burden of solving off of himself, right?
>reads soon
oh, that WAS just what you were doing
kinda scummy return post
>reads
I like the read on clarinet and heal, I think Jalmost is NAI myself, it's too easy to just go "im lazy" and then suddenly uno reverse th at into "BUT MAFIA WOULDN'T DO THAT" when they do. Townreading Cancer for funposting is weird imo, it feels kind of like above where it's like "honestly putting some feelings forth is not mafia because these feelings may get you lynched" except it's just him playing around.
overall I don't like some of the reads, most are fine I guess
>doesn't like town readers
hey, I agree, townie read on this opinion because it helps prevent buddying
 
so, I need to sort out my feelings but what I can immediately say:
1. clarinet is my biggest scumread
2. I really don't understand heury, I need to iso them
3. I felt bad about smogon account at first but I think I like they're posting now
4. somi feels like someone trying to act like tunnely town but I don't see any tunnels being dug
 
BLOODYRAIN10001 said:
town that focuses too much on leadership ends up sheeping someone and I don't like that, everyone should just make their own reads and then talk about them, this will lead to a naturally solved game if town does well enough compared to the scum's tricks
i'm not sure if this is scummy or just a fundamental disagreement about how mafia works
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if you weren't IC I would probably town read you for this and I'm just sad that I don't get a strong read
 
smogon account said:
I strongly disagree
I think it invites discussion from other people, especially townies
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I mean, I guess it can force people to zero in and actively ask about what reads they're interested in
unfortunately this can get overshadowed and allow people to sail by with shallow reads and stop people from discussing stuff because they never thought it'd be important to ask about
as unlike Oblivion, it's harder to tick down all the conversation options in mafia
anyways, I still don't see it as a townie action but I do get what you mean which is probably more important in analyzing this

also, more elaboration about somi:
I feel like I like their posts individually but the tone just pings me the wrong way and they're not tunneling in the way I expected them to
so it all seems fine individually but feels scummy on a meta scale
 
BLOODYRAIN10001 said:
interesting, can anybody tell me which posts this is referring to, I want to analyze this angle for myself
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I asked heury: "what was the reasoning exactly for your vote on me"
heury responds: "ask clarinet they can explain better"
I respond: "why would clarinet explain better"
clarinet says: "why would I be able to explain better"
cancerous says: "is this SCUMBUDS?"
 
BLOODYRAIN10001 said:
also, more elaboration about somi:
I feel like I like their posts individually but the tone just pings me the wrong way and they're not tunneling in the way I expected them to
so it all seems fine individually but feels scummy on a meta scale
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what you're feeling is the same thing I'm voting them for, probably
it's like, having the pushes they have isn't necessarily bad but they aren't coming together into a cohesive view of the game. They're just going through the motions without putting any of the responses they get together
 
BLOODYRAIN10001 said:
I mean, I guess it can force people to zero in and actively ask about what reads they're interested in
unfortunately this can get overshadowed and allow people to sail by with shallow reads and stop people from discussing stuff because they never thought it'd be important to ask about
as unlike Oblivion, it's harder to tick down all the conversation options in mafia
anyways, I still don't see it as a townie action but I do get what you mean which is probably more important in analyzing this

also, more elaboration about somi:
I feel like I like their posts individually but the tone just pings me the wrong way and they're not tunneling in the way I expected them to
so it all seems fine individually but feels scummy on a meta scale
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if you ask people about their reads then they aren't allowed to sail by with shallow reads :)
 
>here is what was going on with scummbuddies
Cool, thanks, I don't have much to say on that situation now but it's helpful actually knowing more about it.
>if you ask people about their reads then they aren't allowed to sail by with shallow reads :)
I mean, fair enough, but it just adds another layer of effort between everyone else and information. Anything which I can compare to securing information shouldn't be in mafia. Plus, sometimes people will have weird reads and I'd never know to ask because it's one of the less important ones- this is of course unless I say "give me the lowdown on all of your reads" which loops back around to what I wanted in the first place.
Anyways, that's probably enough on that, all conversation like this helps somewhat but it's more of a meta concern than a scumhunting concern.

Clarinet, did you ever provide reasoning for why town needs a strong leader? I'd like to see your headspace on that if I didn't just glance over it.
 
read thing is definitely a culture clash
wallposts and prewritten stuff lets scum fake content easily
by posting read lists naked and allowing people to challenge me I like to show that I actually am worldbuilding and forming deep thoughts about the game, theoretically something I can't fake as scum
 
>I actually am worldbuilding
yes, I love mafia worldbuilding
I oftentime think about what the average mafia member earns, their diet, and what the geopolitical situation for the average "vanilla town" is like
unless this is the incorrect worldbuilding, in which case I rescind these remarks
 
BLOODYRAIN10001 said:
>I actually am worldbuilding
yes, I love mafia worldbuilding
I oftentime think about what the average mafia member earns, their diet, and what the geopolitical situation for the average "vanilla town" is like
unless this is the incorrect worldbuilding, in which case I rescind these remarks
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it's about constructing potential narratives for the flow of the game
why all the interactions are happening the way they are, and also some nka
it's like associative reads but not stupid
 
BLOODYRAIN10001 said:
Heal:
>fellow smogoners. do you prefer this type of post over dogspeak? I feel like they accomplish the same things, but one is usually a lot funnier (and shorter) than the other.
Dog speak may be shorter but Cancerous was funnier, that's just my opinion though.
>on voting Jalmont
Fair enough explanation, NAI.
>I voted Jalmont because I know him best
...so it wasn't random at all then? What? Were you RVS'ing or just looking for someone to construct a case on? I don't like this vote anymore, looking a little scummy. On the other hand, why would you do this play as scum? I should think about that later.
>muh soul read
how does a soul read work
why
this doesn't make sense to push as mafia but it doesn't make sense as town either, I'm just going to assume it's a joke i'm taking too seriously
>please be patient with your instructors
my accounting prof. tried to make everyone come in for a test in a very cramped room next Tuesday before they strengthened the measures they were taking, screw her
everyone else is fine though
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I never said I voted jalmont because I know him the best. it's precisely because I know his out-of-game baseline that I didn't vote him/unvoted him. And ye, you could def say I wasn't using RVS the same way. I did mean it in the "early game and we have no idea wut votes will actually stick so let's vote randomly to get convo going" but then I sorta talked to myself about my own random vote, realized it wasn't a good vote, and unrandomed it with what I know about jalmont. you definitely watched me talking to myself with that, I tend to have moments of stream of consciousness writing. it started as pretty random to me but then I doubted myself in the moment... I'm weird, I know x.x

Soul read can be a number of things but in my start of game context it was just "someone you think is town simply because you want them to be" (it is not a serious, data-driven read). Fen is the person I get along the most out of game and I wanted to give him moral support.

If the thread deems my soul read sketchy and we actually want to lynch Fen, I will join in. I'll be very sad for out of game fren reasons, but I'll do it ;-;
 
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