Crisis in CK9++ City [Serial Killer Wins]

Me reading the early discourse over someone self-voting:

First 4 pages leave me with 4 reads of varying strength though. Panic and Heal top the list for people I'd consider >rand town. Probably Heal over Panic because while there are specific things about Heal that I can cite that make me like him (entering attitude re: Jalmont/trying to scumhunt without making it ostentatious), Panic is more of an "overall vibe" thing and it might just be that he's one of the more prevalent voices at this point, but he's not doing anything that pings me which is always a plus.

On the opposite end of the spectrum are heury and Skook. The first post that caught my attention was this one from heury:
heuryalone said:
Nearly all the posts.... so which posts did you like before this one? Also, rvs stage has important info we can gain from players. Looks like I should change my vote again.

Vote: smogon account
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It feels like an overreaction. Disliking RVS+Disliking many early posts=/=scumtell. In heury's following post, their vote moves around so much that it seems to be more than someone trying to get reactions; it doesn't feel natural.

Sultan of Skook said:
There is no reason to not commit to one side or the other. "X could be scum, but maybe not" is meaningless CWAC and does nothing to help town.


From my experience, it is just far better if we scumhunt immediately.
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Skook feels similarly unorganic, though for them it was only this post. You might be asking a bit too much of people given it's page 3, and the over-the-top aggression here gave me bad vibes.
 
HeaLnDeaL said:
Clarinet iso first thoughts - clar seems much more frazzled in an iso reading than when his posts came in one at a time in the thread. I'm not sensing any strong cohesion between the posts, and I don't see a sense of shared logic. Which is well... as others have said, wishywashy. I can't remember exact games I've played with clarinet before, I remember one where he died early but can't remember a lot... but I never remember viewing him as scatterbrained as his iso looks now. It seems different. Might try to dig up the few games we played together but bleh. In terms of clarinet's interactions with the other three... they jump around too much for me to see a complex system of logic. idk I feel weird.

Cancerous iso first thoughts - really don't see anything bad or wrong with cancerous's posts. They are making a character, we know they are acting, too soon to say if its acting because they have to (i.e. canc is scum) or if canc us acting because it makes d1 more fun to everyone and it would be painful otherwise. The iso also showed much much fewer cancerous posts than I would have guessed, suggesting they are not at tightly in a web of convos, even if a lot of others have talked about canc.

Mikey iso first thoughts - he is obv town. as obv town I sort of view him immune from this relationship web that I'm looking into. As town, he doesn't know any of the other 3 are scum or town. his iso itself is good, he's engaging far about surface level. he reminds me of what a certain player could play like if they weren't sidetracked in showing off and being an ass.

Heury iso first thoughts - okay, his iso is a lot smaller than I expected, too. I'm sorry, but I really can't find a single relevant post of his. Why the heck are so many players talking about such an irrelevant poster? He memes and hasn't added anything. He might have a slightly uhh annoying tone (not quite arrogant, but more like he really doesn't want to engage too deeply with others because his time is more valuable) and I guess maybe players like to squeeze reads out of what annoys them. If anything, anyone commenting about heury I don't think is *truly* commenting about heury, and instead they are trying to explain subconsciously if he annoys them and then if that annoyance is even relevant.

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On the relationship webs of the 4: I believe that Cancerous and Heury are doing a lot of acting; comedic roleplaying for Cancerous and sorta jokester/game trolling for Heury. Compared to them Clarinet's words seem less discernible as acting, even though I really don't think I've seen clarinet act quite like this before. Clarinet's mind jumps all over the place. My gut reaction is that a lot of comments from and about these players are more of just spew about the appropriateness of acting or the appropriateness of being annoying. Smogon tries to keep things on the game and is consistent with logic, Clarinet tries to keep things on the game but is inconsistent, and Cancerous and Heury more of keep things out of the game with their personas dominating their game involvement.

Ugh, I'm still processing things. I don't think I really touched on relationships as much as smogon asked me to, but I also don't really see them. It's a cycle of annoyances and a cycle of acting. We can question if the acting is done intentionally to preserve a (scum) relationship but idk.

idk wut exactly Mikey was expecting to get out of asking me to make this post, but I feel like my own head is a bit more mixed up after doing it. Cancerous and heury seem to be posting more about and aligned with their own personas than they are posting to preserve a relationship, which itself makes it really hard to find a relationship web when two people are more in their own heads than trying to figure out what is in the heads of others.
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:blobshrug: I'll take it
The part that looks the best for you is not really coming away with a clear answer imo
 
Hopping on to let you know Ill be on on 8 ish hours. Pretty busy today. Im a little disappointed no one looked at Clarinet's posts to find what I meant by having him elaborate for me. Ill explain tonight though along with other thoughts and reads from me.

Also this below was saved in my reply box when I opened my browser. So might as well post it now.

Clarinet said:
rule of thumb says that in every game there's at least 1 talkative wolf
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I disagree. Though i do think d1's vote should not be an inactive player.
 
heuryalone said:
Hopping on to let you know Ill be on on 8 ish hours. Pretty busy today. Im a little disappointed no one looked at Clarinet's posts to find what I meant by having him elaborate for me. Ill explain tonight though along with other thoughts and reads from me.

Also this below was saved in my reply box when I opened my browser. So might as well post it now.


I disagree. Though i do think d1's vote should not be an inactive player.
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this makes even less sense
 
Ngl, given how you and Somi and Clar and lowkey Skook are all reading Townie to me, I might go on Jalmont or Explosion if I doubt my Crab read enough. Maybe Thunder if he doesn't deliver, maybe Heal becuase he's just as talkative as most here and gut null to me. Fenrir's started ponying up, so he's out of the slankers imo.


Actually, I'm designating Explosion as my slanker option becuase that boy's a scrub.
 
I think if panic station is a wolf, we have to lynch them later anyway
cancer's insistence that heury and clarinet are the same alignment makes me a little hesitant because that particular read shouldn't be as strong as it is
 
heuryalone said:
I agree that saying "I am town" is not LAMIST. LAMIST is nore subtle than that. Here is an example of LAMIST:



"Look at me, I'm scum hunting and looking for tells in another game so I must be town."

Unless there is something you actually find from that game to share, just sounds like you're forcing a townie feel on us.

Vote: Panic Station
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Heury continuing the hasty judgments here doesn't impress me, don't like it becoming a trend.

Liking somitomi's longer post towards the bottom of page 6. Feels like even though the opinions aren't super strong ones and not all of them necessarily relate to specific players, it's all still tying into trying to solve people in a way that would be difficult to fake.

Mikey (smogon account) could also probably join this club if I could remember the previous games we've played together. The big memory that stands out is getting stuck in a 1-1 with him because he didn't like something I said about one of his posts. His gameplay here feels nothing like that and I think he was scum there, but I can't remember the game. Independent of that meta I'm inclined to like him still because his talks with Panic have him defending his points without becoming aggressive about it/trying to turn it against Panic.

As far as Thunder goes since I saw him brought up Panic Station he's generally inactive in Mafia games on a forum regardless of alignment. From what I recall of when he does post though, it's usually snap judgments with a weird tendency to refuse to explain his reads and I've usually had to do some form of mental gymnastics to figure out how he gets to where he's at. That's on PS though and I haven't read Rewind here, but the mention of him doing next to nothing until his results crossed seems to line up with that?

Clarinet's readlist on page 6 feels alright, I just kind of question why it's there. I get wanting to share your opinions on people and I think the opinions in it are valid ones, but I guess the content of it didn't feel like it merited a full list.

Skook's also developing a trend off of what I mentioned in my last post:
Sultan of Skook said:
Dear Allah I have not seen this little being said in a post this size. This isn't CWAC, this isn't even fluffposting, it's just nonsense. The kind of thing I would expect from someone with a post restriction, but looking at the wiki page that's not a thing in this setup. Not really sure that this is scummy though, don't know what a scum player would think they are trying to accomplish with that kind of post.

You might as well have put here in quotation marks. Please don't try to hide under the radar.

It seems to me you are a bit more interested in reading old games rather than solving the one we're on right now.

LOL at doing the same thing to me that I called you out on. If someone put a gun to your head and said you had to read me as either town or scum, what would you pick? Goes for the others you can't seem to commit to.
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These four comments are aggressive in a way that misrepresents/casts doubt on the person they were addressing. I heavily doubt, for example, that Cancerous's first post had any kind of agenda to it, and to approach it trying to give it this kind of in-depth analysis gives me what I've seen described here as "LAMIST" vibes and also starts to pre-emptively discredit future posts from Cancerous.

Finished page 8 just now, will get to 12 soon. Working slowly because I've been stuck at home for 4 days and that does all kinds of horrible things to my attention span.
 
somitomi said:
Because activity helps town? Where I come from, flying under the radar was generally seen as scummy (and grounds for a policy lynch if it goes on for too long) since it's a relatively easy way for mafia to hide their intentions. Can't slip up if you don't say anything. That does mean mafia would try to post often to look town, but calling people out for doing something generally beneficial to town is weird.
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ok i didnt read the context so i cant comment on that but in general i think it's a lot easier to complain about activity vs going after and attacking people who actually post. it's a very reasonable position to take that "i can;t control how much someone posts, so instead of getting worked up about that and focusing on the inactivity, i'm going to look closer at the people who are posting"

unless you want to vote inactive people right now, what's the use in calling everyone who isn't meeting a post requirement mafia?
 
Fenrir Aesir said:
Mikey (smogon account) could also probably join this club if I could remember the previous games we've played together. The big memory that stands out is getting stuck in a 1-1 with him because he didn't like something I said about one of his posts. His gameplay here feels nothing like that and I think he was scum there, but I can't remember the game. Independent of that meta I'm inclined to like him still because his talks with Panic have him defending his points without becoming aggressive about it/trying to turn it against Panic.
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odds are I was town rofl
but it was well into last year (around champs time by my memory)
I'll take the town read tho, I'm pretty sure I'm threadspewed by now
 
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