Crisis in CK9++ City [Serial Killer Wins]

Fenrir Aesir said:
These four comments are aggressive in a way that misrepresents/casts doubt on the person they were addressing. I heavily doubt, for example, that Cancerous's first post had any kind of agenda to it, and to approach it trying to give it this kind of in-depth analysis gives me what I've seen described here as "LAMIST" vibes and also starts to pre-emptively discredit future posts from Cancerous.
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I think you need to reread what sultan said here
without actually saying exactly that, they also said that there wasn't really an agenda to it
 
Clarinet said:
HnD - he's not stepping on anyone's toes, I enjoy this comfort but in future phases, I expect HnD to blossom.
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That's actually not a bad strategy for scum, nobody will go after you out of OMGUS if you're not stepping on anyone's toes. Not saying Heal's scum, but I wouldn't add someone to the "do not lynch" list based on this reasoning.
Clarinet said:
heury - I think Crabs will use this to link me to heury again, but I want him around, heury is a mysterious being and it got me feeling something when I followed his posts, it was a rollercoaster. Obv if heury keeps being stubborn and refuses to clear misunderstandings, I'm all open for preparing a noose for him.
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Well, couldn't blame him if he did. The second part ounts to "let's not kill heury unless he's being scummy".
smogon account said:
depthful and pure reads on d1 are infinitely more appreciated
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Sure, if you can produce such. The preference order is still: detailed reads>shallow reads>no explanation for reads
JALMONT said:
ok i didnt read the context so i cant comment on that but in general i think it's a lot easier to complain about activity vs going after and attacking people who actually post. it's a very reasonable position to take that "i can;t control how much someone posts, so instead of getting worked up about that and focusing on the inactivity, i'm going to look closer at the people who are posting"

unless you want to vote inactive people right now, what's the use in calling everyone who isn't meeting a post requirement mafia?
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I can't control how much people post, but I can make a remark about inactive people without getting worked up. Just because I mention it, it's not the center of my attention. As for context, Clarinet posted a list of active players saying "there's usually at least one talkative mafia" and I think there's a difference between "I'm going to focus on active players to see if any of them is suspicious" and "there's at least one mafia among these guys". To be honest, I didn't get the impression that Clarinet is doing the former.
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Town->Mafia gradient (excluding Thunder and Explosion, because there's nothing to evaluate):
Bloodyrain: innocent child
Panic: rapidfire posting apparently anything that crosses their mind. Not all of contributes to the game, but overall I didn't see anything suspicious and I think this'd be difficult to do as mafia.
Smogon: the other really active and out there guy, I mildly disagree with them on his way of posting reads, but that's about it for quibbles.
Skook: doesn't talk often, but when they do, I generally agree with what they're saying. Looks like they're paying close attention.
Fenrir: not much, but I like the analysis summary of previous pages.
HeaLnDeal: not rocking the boat much, their reads look okay. <neutral line>
jalmont: very little content and most of it is being defensive about it.
Cancerous: initial roleplaying rubbed me up the wrong way, which is probably on me. I feel like they're putting too much stock into the heury-clarinet connection without looking at other people much.
Heury: Reading back I noticed how many times they voted and they just seemed twitchy, OMGUS-ing at the slightest provocation. They also refused to answer some questions, initially just ignoring them.
Clarinet: I agree with Skook, that list of active players reads a bit like bait and I also don't like the "keep for D2" list.
 
I should actually gather those scattered thoughts

Bloods: IC
Somi: I put a lot of stock in mindmelds
Smogon: Getting shit done and giving no fucks. I disagree with him on a few things, but those things don't inform the read.
Clar: To paraphrase something Clar said, I want to believe he's Town. I probably shouldn't, but I'm not sure if it's a tell or or just a me thing or, well...
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Skook: Kind of a lowkey version of Smog. I thought I detected a whiff of paranoid stubborness under it, but I'm not gonna bank on that until I see him dig his heels in against something obvious.
Fenrir: A good start, needs to keep going.
Heal: Your friendly neighborhood something or other. He's present, but (stealing an acronym from Skook) GTH I can't recite any of his stances or takes. Gut null, which could be a red flag with his postcount.
Thunder: Please don't be another Explosion.
Jal: This is nothing new for him. But I better see something readable from him later.
Explosion: I don't want no scrubs. Show up or get subbed.
Heury: Had him on a "wait and see" null read until he decided to push the responsibility of his own stances onto someone else, which is ass.
Crab: The bluster doesn't contribute anything. The fact that he started the game assuming he would be leading is sketchy. I'm doubting the read, though. The way Heury's dropped in my reads suggests Craboo Heury w/w, which is a vibe I haven't picked up on.
 
I've been watching the thread but I should probably post, I'll see if there's anything that stands out and get to iso'ing heury relatively soon (ie the next 2-3 hours)
if I forget annoy me and if anyone else has read things to discuss then shoot
 
Panic Station said:
Aside from me, who do you think you're best able to read in general?
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>in general
I don't really make meta remarks like "I can always read them" because I haven't had the chance to use 'meta' reads in years, but if you're talking this game in general I feel like I'm getting a good handle on clarinet. smogon account and somi are behind them in terms of solid reads, I feel like I have a good read on somi but I keep having to deal with "Are they really doing this or are they just acting" and can't exactly make up my mind.
 
A few things now that I'm back:

- Fenrir has started posting, and his posts are... okay. I don't like how he misrepresented my post about Cancerous in the same post he called me out on supposedly misrepresenting others. Otherwise, the posts look decently townish, there is some progression in the reads. GTH town for now, would like to see more of what they think when they fully catch up.

- I'm a bit mixed on somitomi's most recent post. The first part in more of the same, but the reads list does look decent for the most part. Townreading me because I agree with you is a bit unusual for a reason, I would like to see you elaborate on that.

- Jalmont is looking weird. I mean, they've been inactive, and their one real contribution to the game is defending someone who wants to look at active players for scum. Y'know, that looks pretty suspicious.

- Cancerous I feel is acting a bit tunnelly now, as somitomi already pointed out. I'd like to see their thoughts about players other than heury and Clarinet.

I'll Unvote: somitomi (not sure if that vote even went through in the first place) and Vote: Jalmont for the time being, because he needs to do better.
 
On the one hand, I wanna see more from Jal. On the other hand, I have literally been Jal (as adapted into a PR where my power was basically "just try not to die, also you're useless") and slanking is His Thing™.
 
I mean, it's one thing when your habits don't affect the gamestate, but just not being active lets scum fly under the radar, I think it's worth scumreading. Of course policy lynches fall behind normal lynches so if you can it's always better to lynch based on reads, but if you just ignore the lurkers then you're gonna lose. Reading back now.
 
somi:
>independently agreeing with my opinions on PL related to inactivity
I like this, although if they were 'playing the part' it'd be expected to say this. I'm just tinfoiling at this point though, slightly townie statement?
>reads list
This seems fine? I don't have the brainpower to proccess this right now, still drained from irl.

Clarinet:
>but you're right, I won't talk anymore about smogon
I mean, if you think it helps gamesolve then do what you want, i'm not the mafia police
yes, did come off a bit buddying though

Cancerous:
>recent Clarinet posts are bad
if you're just talking about 'give me a talkative wolf' yes, I agree
>what is too scummy to be scum, that is dumb
Yes, I agree, it's stupid.
>presenting heury as a prime lynch with the above statement
I.... eh? I'll think about it I guess, I have bigger shrimp to fry.

Heal:
>you're obviously town smogon-sama
at this point i'm not sure if people are just saying this because they think it or from their own reads but sure, I read him town as well
>mikey is obv. town but I will not say why
as part of a longer read's list where you're giving specific reasons this makes me think "yes, he's town because you need to fit in with the town members who are readying him", pings me as scummy
>cancerous is not literally satan for making jokes
I do like this though

smogon:
>iso me like one of your french women
I like that he's asking about how his own actions seem, scum usually don't want that. Guess it depends on context though.
>mikey is obv. town but I will not say why
as part of a longer read's list where you're giving specific reasons this makes me think "yes, he's town because you need to fit in with the town members who are readying him", pings me as scummy
>cancerous is not literally satan for making jokes
I do like this though

Panic:
>does anyone want to hear about speculation
this feels weird because you've just been posting eveything that comes to mind without asking before, but NAI
>I put a lot of stock in mindmelds
I don't like this but with Brainpan mindmeld reads like a buzzword. I almost wish I couldn't meta read him because everything I don't like just turns into 'well he DOES do that' and i'm not sure if there's legitimately anything left to scumread for.
>it's complicated
tell me more friendo

Fenrir:
>not immediately pointing out smogon as town after four pages of reading
This is good, I don't think smogon is scum but I think that scum would want to go "yes, he's lock town!" for town cred. I think scum Fenrir would try to plant that seed early.

heury:
>the clarinet intrigue thickens
wtf is going on, lmao
 
this is all without sorting through my notes further so it's more "main impressions gut feelings" less than "I have microanalyzed what I noticed earlier and oh my god cornered is playing now did we find scum?!" This means that the lighter town/scum leans will probably be shoved into null.
Town Lean:
Cancerous [Slight town lean, I like most of your posts although I'm not a fan of you being convinced that the heury/smogon scumteam is a massive possibility]
somitomi [I'm conflicted and I need to find whether they look like they're faking being tunnely or really being tunnely. (Yes this is kind of tinfoil, no I don't care) Tenative town lean.]
smogon account [I like their tone and lines of questioning even though some of their early posts pinged me scum.]

Null:
Thunder~BALLZ [I feel like at this point he'd be better off just saying nothing at all so at least going "I'll be active soon, I swear" is something]
HeaLnDeaL [I have reads but they're not properly sorted, null for now. Posts seem fine, interactions with smogon raise an eyebrow.]
Panic Station [he is being Brainpan all right]
Fenrir [Not much to read yet]
Sultan of Skook [I.... feel like I should have more to say about them? Why don't I have more to say about them.]

Scum Lean:
clarinet

Policy Lynch territory:
An Explosion
JALMONT

???????????:
heury [HEURY HAS USED CONFUSION. IT WAS SUPER EFFECTIVE.]
 
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