Unpopular opinions

HanSoloIndie said:
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Sorry if no conext [if context of an already existing opinion, or consistent answers, is the point than good for you], but..
I think question 1 flawed because I could consider LGPE flawed, but ORAS as not (or vice versa). The justification probably be if you liked the radical, super easy departure that LGPE was
Question 3 is a little flawed bc we should be talking about the games itself, not any smogon tier (also the 3 different options)
Question 4, using "not" is not recommended in questions
Question 7 is biased because you are asking Zamazenta first; it should be a choice between Zacian and Zamazenta, preferably (if the format makes this off ig i understand)\
Question 9 has the same problem as 7 but "sucks" provides a greater scale so i'll take it
Q14's can makes it amigious, of course they can but its if they do (this is really based on context bc i dont understand?_
Q15, again separate or combine both subjects to Defog sucks | stall sucks, or defog makes stall suck. bc i personally like defog change but indepent thoughts on stall
for the consistent agree/disagree you would just use the "agree" equiv (like zacian) as the agree
 
Very unpopular opinion but I really dislike Typhlosion and I can't really explain why...

Is it because his design doesn't differenciate much from Quilava, and even loses the flames of its tail?

Is it because its stats are just a lazy ctrl+c of Charizard?

Is it because I find ilogical how many people don't like its XY 3d model and use it as example to bash all Pokemon 3d models, despite that it does fire up in its attacking animation, the Pokemon doesn't have the flames ignited 24/7, and Stadium/Battle Revo also did this and no one said anything?
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Or is it because yesterday it costed my Factory streak when I was so close to reach Gold Print? :smogthink:
 
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Kurona said:
I feel like 80% of pokemon design criticism i see forgets that they’re talking about fun cartoon mascots for 5 year olds and acts like this is biology class
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To be fair, Pokemon design is taken very seriously according GF during the GameInformer interviews. The designers have to provide an explanation for every aspect of the Pokémon’s design, like if it has horns, thery can’t be there for the sake of having horns, they must have a functioning purpose. There also some pretty complicated designs like Dialga and Palkia and Xerneas/Yveltal that would require months to finalize. So yeah, even though that Pokémon are designed for children, that doesn’t mean design they do not have any logic or thoughts or planning when doing the designs, I think it is perfectly acceptable for us to critique designs based off Biology.
 
DreamPrince said:
To be fair, Pokemon design is taken very seriously according GF during the GameInformer interviews. The designers have to provide an explanation for every aspect of the Pokémon’s design, like if it has horns, thery can’t be there for the sake of having horns, they must have a functioning purpose. There also some pretty complicated designs like Dialga and Palkia and Xerneas/Yveltal that would require months to finalize. So yeah, even though that Pokémon are designed for children, that doesn’t mean design they do not have any logic or thoughts or planning when doing the designs, I think it is perfectly acceptable for us to critique designs based off Biology.
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Reminds me how after Gen 3 Bulbasaur and Charmanders heads got ballooned
And after Gen 6 it really set in for new starters. Fennekin is unbalanced as heck compared to Vulpix
 
DrPumpkinz said:
They still had the show at the time though.
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I mean I doubt the designers had the show in mind when designing the line (weren’t they developing G/S prior to the show as well?). But still better than having them walk around with that much fire all the time.
 
Coronis said:
I mean I doubt the designers had the show in mind when designing the line (weren’t they developing G/S prior to the show as well?). But still better than having them walk around with that much fire all the time.
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The first episode of the Pokemon show first broadcast in 1997. This episode had Ho-Oh in it, so Gold and Silver were being developed at the time. Indeed, we've seen what Gold and Silver looked like in 1997, and the Cyndaquil is nowhere to be seen. This suggests that the Cyndaquil family was designed after they already knew that these Pokemon would be depicted as more than just still images in an action pose, and yet the designers still decided it would be a great idea to make a Pokemon that literally only looks good in a still action pose. Cyndaquil at least has a cute face and snout, and Quilava has a cool tube-like weasel body. Typhlosion is just a fucking triangle with arms.

They could have also easily made the flames a permanent feature. They did it before with Ponyta. But even then, while Typhlosion is no longer as bland as white bread, it still looks worse than its prevos. Cyndaquil's fire covers its back and makes it look like a hedgehog. Quilava has it on its head like a cool crest, and on its butt as a tail. Typhlosion has a big collar on the back of its neck. It doesn't give off a royal vide that would make a big collar feel appropriate. It's just got a big collar for some reason. Yeah, honey badgers have thick neck skin, but 1) that isn't very analogous to a fire collar and 2) making something that doesn't look stupid should take precedence over a half-assed animal reference.
 
pokemon4eva said:
Very unpopular opinion but I really dislike Typhlosion and I can't really explain why...

Is it because his design doesn't differenciate much from Quilava, and even loses the flames of its tail?

Is it because its stats are just a lazy ctrl+c of Charizard?

Is it because I find ilogical how many people don't like its XY 3d model and use it as example to bash all Pokemon 3d models, despite that it does fire up in its attacking animation, the Pokemon doesn't have the flames ignited 24/7, and Stadium/Battle Revo also did this and no one said anything?
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Or is it because yesterday it costed my Factory streak when I was so close to reach Gold Print? :smogthink:
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As my first Pokemon (well technically Cyndaquil but shut up) I love Typhlosion but recent games really have failed to do it justice. In GSC it looks mean and menacing and tough.


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In later games... it's gotten less and less so (its RSEFRLG sprite gives it a big derpy grin in place of GSC's slight sneer), and its post-XY sprites are just awful since without the flames it just looks like an overgrown weasel.

It's not a terrible Pokemon, but it suffers the same fate as the other two Johto starters in that being a single type, it's overly dependent on fire for its design, and it hasn't received much in the way of new toys for many years. It's not enough to have the same stats as Charizard when Zard gets Belly Drum and Dragon Dance in addition to Mega Evolutions and the like. It occasionally gets a decent new move whenever egg pools update, but it's not enough. Any lingering hope it would get a Mega Evolution has gone and if it ends up getting a Gigantamax form in a future DLC upgrade I'll be very surprised.
 
Imo this is the biggest issue with 3d models of old pokemon. People often mention that new pokemon look better in 3d, which I attribute to the fact that the design team is actually making them with simple idle animations in mind, when the old sprite standard meant you could always "spice up" a simple design with a cool static pose. They could also often play with proportions and perspective in sprites in a way that you just can't get away with when you need to build a 3d skeleton. Blastoise sprites always "cheated" a pose but the current tiny t-rex arms of the 3d model just don't allow much range of movement.

Typhlosion isn't on fire all the time, we get the lore (although it was in-battle in gen 5 :P). But it would still be much better off if they made it, like, turn the flames on and off as part of its idle animation cycle, instead of only during attack animations.
 
So effectively make it like HAL did Quilava's idle anim in Stadium, got it
Also, it's totally a Quadruped mon. Where's my quad tackles? Only Stadium (and Mystery Dungeon 1/2, but that's based off of Stadium anims anyway for Typhlosian) shows this
 
UninspiredLunch said:
Typhlosion isn't on fire all the time, we get the lore (although it was in-battle in gen 5 :P). But it would still be much better off if they made it, like, turn the flames on and off as part of its idle animation cycle, instead of only during attack animations.
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Sonikku A said:
So effectively make it like HAL did Quilava's idle anim in Stadium, got it
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From what I can tell, Quilava doesn't flare during its idle animation, just its intro. In any case, I've expressed my distaste for Gen 5's battle sprites, so I don't think having the flames periodically erupt would look very good. I think it would look better if the ignition regions were constantly crackling, either with sparks or with weak flames.
 
Yung Dramps said:
Emboar's my favorite Unova starter and Chesnaught's my favorite Kalos starter. Really don't get why these mons (especially the latter) were the only starters to never get in their respective regions' top 30s in the POTY poll
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Emboar is probably because of the Fire/Fighting Fatigue. It was the third Fire/Fighting in a row, mind you. Not sure about Chesnaught though. It is also worth noting that that poll was significantly flawed in its structure.
 
Yung Dramps said:
Emboar's my favorite Unova starter and Chesnaught's my favorite Kalos starter. Really don't get why these mons (especially the latter) were the only starters to never get in their respective regions' top 30s in the POTY poll
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DreamPrince said:
Emboar is probably because of the Fire/Fighting Fatigue. It was the third Fire/Fighting in a row, mind you. Not sure about Chesnaught though. It is also worth noting that that poll was significantly flawed in its structure.
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I think the issue is that they have somewhat forgettable designs, AND they're not even good competitively so didn't even have the chance to leave a mark.

Emboar is a humanified pig on fire, and samurott is a ... honestly pretty weird water quadruped loosely based off a Samurai.
Serperior is essentially a grass snake, but it's a solid competitive pokemon so people have definitely seen more of it over the days to get to like it (plus, I find Snivy adorable, but that's just me). The other 2 have basically never seen any VGC play, don't have any type of memorable design, and on top of it they have overused typings (see, Fire/Fighting issue, and Samurott being just another pure water)
Chesnaugh has comparable desing issue where it's... a humanified porcupine, without any particular design, and it has to compete with Greninja of all things which is a fan favourite.

It makes sense to me that when picking pokemon of a specific gen, more unique designs will usually have more fans than more mundane / redundant ones.
 
My unpopular opinion is that drampa looks ugly as fuck and I am terrified to see how that thing's skeleton would be. In fact I'm really not a fan of most gen 7 designs. Alolan Diglet and Dugtrio look fucking stupid, Shiinotic looks souless, I can never unsee Lurantis' striped pants, bruxish is ugly, the entirity of the pikipek line makes my eyes want to stop functioning, Alolan Rattata and raticate are just kind of bland for my liking, Sandygast and Palossand are also bland and made of something I utter loathe, I am not a fan of Guzzlord and Kartana's designs all that much either, the two ultra exclusive ultra beats in stakataka and mr boomy brains do not sit well with me at all, and of course FUCKING UGLY ASS MOTHERFUCKING CRABOMINABLE!

I know the last one isn't unpopular because anyone with eyes can see how that is a sin to sight itself, but I feel as though I do not like gen 7 designs more than the average pokefan.
 
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