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who would win in a fight- 1 billion lions or 1 of every pokemon (roughly 900)?
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if we continue looking at pokedex entries we can look at zygarde's and realize that the pokemon are such an oppressive force that would kill the lions that zygarde would see them as a threat to the ecosystem and team with the lions to defend them. since it can overwhelm even xerneas and yveltal, yveltal is no real issue when it dies, and now the lions have an additional friend to aid them in defending themselves to the point that they can win considering what other good things they have going for them without all of them being murdered by a dead bacon bird. i believe this point was overlooked by p0ip0le, and it is very worthy of bringing up as zygarde is there to defend the ecosystem from existing threats, and is clearly known to fight other pokemon by its dex entry on xerneas and yveltal
being a ground type, it also takes all electric-type hits from pokemon that would shock the lions ez
And the amount of food required to keep 1 billion lions alive isnt somehow a threat to the ecosystem?
unfortunately Ari's own reasoning bites him in the ass here, as zygard would suffer from the same issue as other pokemon, PP. If he tried to agree with you here and promote the zygard argument, that would be downright admitting defeat, because if pokemon can use pokedex described abilities with no PP downside, the lions, while somewhat aided by zygard, would have no chance whatsoever.
even if this arg worked, zygarde still gets timed out by palkia/giratina/mray/arceus/dialga and will be consumed by the sun like all the other mons anyway
sir the argument was “1 billion lions vs 1 of every pokemon” not “1 billion lions and 1 zygarde vs 1 of every pokemon except zygarde”
Agreed
"all the pokemon know they are there to fight the lions. all the lions know they are there to fight the pokemon. infighting should only occur between species of pokemon already known to fight at every possible opportunity (kyogre/groudon, seviper/zangoose, etc)"
I don't think this could be considered Flaming Deoxys
nah man superman will kick goku's ass
WHAT DID YOU SAY TO ME YOU LITTLE I"ll JHAVE u KNOW I GRADUATED the top of my class AT NAVY SEELS BRO
ok p0ip0le you've been obnoxious enough on discord to warrant a post on your dumb overdone thread. Sorry for being mean, ily, but a line needs to be drawn.
"conditions: - normal battle conditions; none of them are holding items, and abilities only take effect from the very start (ie nothing activates beforehand). pokemon are all at full PP and full HP. lions are all fed and healthy. - the lions are typeless and use typeless attacks - all pokemon media is considered in the pokemon side-- games, anime, manga, movies etc - all the pokemon know they are there to fight the lions. all the lions know they are there to fight the pokemon. infighting should only occur between species of pokemon already known to fight at every possible opportunity (kyogre/groudon, seviper/zangoose, etc) "
No offense but these are dogshit conditions, incredibly vague, seemingly intentionally so, allowing you to interpret infinite situations yourself, to put them in your favor. By counting both anime and in-game mechanics, you leave a massive grey area.
"Using its heavy muscles, it throws powerful punches that can send the victim clear over the horizon." " One arm alone can move mountains. Using all four arms, this Pokémon fires off awesome punches." " It uses its four powerful arms to pin the limbs of its foe, then throws the victim over the horizon." " With four arms that react more quickly than it can think, it can execute many punches at once."
Needless to say machamp is not an anomaly here. There are HUNDREDS of pokemon that could solo a billion lions, via their untouchability and no time limit on the battle royal, their uncontestable offenses, or both.
So why is this even an argument? Well, the only thing you have in YOUR side of the court is PP. Your argument solely relies on making attacks based on PP, and thus making the move unable to kill an obscene amount of lions. This is an extreme slippery slope however. By saying a Pokemon like machamp has to use PP to do something it is fundamentally able to do, punch, quickly leads us down a dangerous path. For example saying a psychic type pokemon has to use psychic to preform psychic abilities. Or that a flying type pokemon has to use fly to fly, WHEN SOME DON'T EVEN LEARN THE MOVE.
Not that pokemon need pp in the first place, with things like perish song, toxic spikes, wonder guard, untouchable pokemon, and many others
"conditions: - normal battle conditions; none of them are holding items, and abilities only take effect from the very start (ie nothing activates beforehand). pokemon are all at full PP and full HP. lions are all fed and healthy. - the lions are typeless and use typeless attacks - all pokemon media is considered in the pokemon side-- games, anime, manga, movies etc - all the pokemon know they are there to fight the lions. all the lions know they are there to fight the pokemon. infighting should only occur between species of pokemon already known to fight at every possible opportunity (kyogre/groudon, seviper/zangoose, etc) "
No offense but these are dogshit conditions, incredibly vague, seemingly intentionally so, allowing you to interpret infinite situations yourself, to put them in your favor. By counting both anime and in-game mechanics, you leave a massive grey area.
"Using its heavy muscles, it throws powerful punches that can send the victim clear over the horizon." " One arm alone can move mountains. Using all four arms, this Pokémon fires off awesome punches." " It uses its four powerful arms to pin the limbs of its foe, then throws the victim over the horizon." " With four arms that react more quickly than it can think, it can execute many punches at once."
Needless to say machamp is not an anomaly here. There are HUNDREDS of pokemon that could solo a billion lions, via their untouchability and no time limit on the battle royal, their uncontestable offenses, or both.
So why is this even an argument? Well, the only thing you have in YOUR side of the court is PP. Your argument solely relies on making attacks based on PP, and thus making the move unable to kill an obscene amount of lions. This is an extreme slippery slope however. By saying a Pokemon like machamp has to use PP to do something it is fundamentally able to do, punch, quickly leads us down a dangerous path. For example saying a psychic type pokemon has to use psychic to preform psychic abilities. Or that a flying type pokemon has to use fly to fly, WHEN SOME DON'T EVEN LEARN THE MOVE.
Not that pokemon need pp in the first place, with things like perish song, toxic spikes, wonder guard, untouchable pokemon, and many others
my b, that one time I lost to a shedinja when my pokemon couldnt touch it because it only knew typless moves i should have told them to simply sit on it
Bro that Bouffalant just drowned 3 lions get fucked team lions
"They charge wildly and headbutt everything. Their headbutts have enough destructive force to derail a train."
ngl bro i dont think thats a Bouffalant...
considering bouffalant can learn surf i’d say he’s fine
I was curious how much space this many creatures would take up, so here's my results:
The average male lion is slightly above 6 feet long, while the average female is slightly below, so I just averaged them out to be 6 feet long. I then multiplied this by 3 to make up the body’s width and some breathing room. This makes each lion about 18 feet squared. Multiplied it by 1 billion to get 18 billion feet, that being about how much room they’d take up. I used a tool to then convert this into miles, and ended up with 3409090.9090909 miles. This makes up about half of Russia, which is 6.602 miles squared.
I then went through Bulbapedia's list of mons by height and counted the amount in each section, leaving out alternate forms, megas, totems, Alolan/Galarian, ect. I then added them up.
Meters(Quantity)
.1(6)+.2(22)+.3(67)+.4(71)+.5(64)+.6(72)+.7(43)+.8(49)+.9(35)+1(65)+1.1(40)+1.2(53)+1.3(32)+1.4(31)+1.5(48)+1.6(29)+1.7(22)+1.8(25)+1.9(15)+2(24)+2.1(11)+2.2(9)+2.3(5)+2.4(4)+2.5(7)+.6(1)+2.7(2)+2.8(3)+2.9(2)+3(7)+3.2(2)+3.3(1)+3.4(1)+3.5(2)+3.6(1)+3.7(1)+3.8(3)+3.9(1)+4(2)+4.2(1)+4.5(3)+5.2(1)+5.4(1)+5.5(2)+5.8(1)+6.2(1)+6.5(1)+7(1)+8.2(1)+8.8(1)+9.2(2)+10.9(1)+14.5(1)+20(1)
After finding their total “height” (1083.4 meters), since that’s the best reference we get for their size, I squared it to find their approximate size, giving me 1173755.56 meters squared. Converted into miles this is 729.3378917124 miles
This is how much of Russia is taken up by lions and Pokemon.
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While this may seem like a disadvantage for the Pokemon, it also comes at the advantage of being able to spread out different strategies that might counteract one another such as Groudon and Kyogre.
There are various strategies:
Also here are some arguments:
Overall, I'm on team Pokemon. While the lions have the numbers by far and in our world may be the "king of the jungle", when compared to the powers of Pokemon they are nothing but bugs.
The average male lion is slightly above 6 feet long, while the average female is slightly below, so I just averaged them out to be 6 feet long. I then multiplied this by 3 to make up the body’s width and some breathing room. This makes each lion about 18 feet squared. Multiplied it by 1 billion to get 18 billion feet, that being about how much room they’d take up. I used a tool to then convert this into miles, and ended up with 3409090.9090909 miles. This makes up about half of Russia, which is 6.602 miles squared.
I then went through Bulbapedia's list of mons by height and counted the amount in each section, leaving out alternate forms, megas, totems, Alolan/Galarian, ect. I then added them up.
Meters(Quantity)
.1(6)+.2(22)+.3(67)+.4(71)+.5(64)+.6(72)+.7(43)+.8(49)+.9(35)+1(65)+1.1(40)+1.2(53)+1.3(32)+1.4(31)+1.5(48)+1.6(29)+1.7(22)+1.8(25)+1.9(15)+2(24)+2.1(11)+2.2(9)+2.3(5)+2.4(4)+2.5(7)+.6(1)+2.7(2)+2.8(3)+2.9(2)+3(7)+3.2(2)+3.3(1)+3.4(1)+3.5(2)+3.6(1)+3.7(1)+3.8(3)+3.9(1)+4(2)+4.2(1)+4.5(3)+5.2(1)+5.4(1)+5.5(2)+5.8(1)+6.2(1)+6.5(1)+7(1)+8.2(1)+8.8(1)+9.2(2)+10.9(1)+14.5(1)+20(1)
After finding their total “height” (1083.4 meters), since that’s the best reference we get for their size, I squared it to find their approximate size, giving me 1173755.56 meters squared. Converted into miles this is 729.3378917124 miles
This is how much of Russia is taken up by lions and Pokemon.
Don't see Pokemon?
While this may seem like a disadvantage for the Pokemon, it also comes at the advantage of being able to spread out different strategies that might counteract one another such as Groudon and Kyogre.
There are various strategies:
- Koffing and Weezing can float above the lions and spread their gas on them, which would allow fire moves to spread between lions easily. Furthermore, electric attacks cause explosions when coming in contact with these fumes, as shown in Team Rocket's debut episode. The same can likely be said about Pokemon with access to the move Poison Gas, such as Skuntank, Hypno, and Swalot.
- Speaking of Hypno, it can fill multiple roles as both a Poison Gas user and a Psychic-type, with Psychic types being able to use their powers for various things. These include shredding lions, lifting the lions high enough for them to die by falling, drowning lions if around water.
- While Pokemon such as Wobbufett and Wynaut can't do anything directly to the lions, they can reflect other Pokemon's attacks onto them with double the power.
- There is a long list of Pokemon that get Heal Pulse, including but not limited to Audino, Clefable, Cherrim, Meganium, Blissey, ect. They can easily stay behind as nurses or fly around on bird mons over the battlefield.
- Kyogre has been shown destroying all of Hoenn with its waters, so it doesn't care about PP when it comes to drowning everything in sight. While not as powerful by far, other Water-types can help out.
- In Yveltal's movie, it takes out an entire forest with ease.
- Groudon, as well as some absurd mons like Magcargo, can easily start fires that would burn the lions to a crisp.
- In all of Kyogre, Yveltal, and Groudon's cases, Pokemon such as Rock-types can set barriers that limit the lions' abilities to run away, making them easier to pick off.
- Lions are used to hot climates, so Ice-types could easily create a large area that's too cold, as shown in the XY anime when Vanillish and Vanilluxe create a Blizzard over all of Courmaline City. If it only takes two meh mons to cover an entire city, nonetheless one with a monorail, imagine what a bunch could do, especially with legends such as Articuno and Kyurem. Water-types can even help by making the lions wet, making it even colder for them.
- Perish Song is another move learned by various mons, and can be heard by a lot of lions at the same time.
- Pokemon that inhabit space, such as Rayquaza, Deoxys, and Minior, can use move such as Draco Meteor and Rock Slide to create meteors resembling that which theoretically killed the dinosaurs.
- The largest Pokemon such as Eternatus can just swat lions with ease.
- Gardevoir, and said to be other mons like Dusclops and Shedinja, create or have capabilities that resemble black holes, which can easily take out lions.
- Flying-types can take turns doing damage from above, where lions can't reach them, whether it be with their own attacks or carrying others. They can take turns resting if need be.
- In the Darkrai movie Palkia managed to move an entire city into space where it slowly dissolved everything from outside-in.
- Dialga and Celebi can mess with time. If Pokemon did somehow lose they could easily go back in time and change what led to their defeat. And don't argue about time paradoxes, because Celebi was able to change the past in the Explorers Mystery Dungeon games.
- I hope lions have a fun time biting Pokemon like Muk and Garbodor. Furthermore, Pokemon with Poison Point such as Roseraid and Scolipede don't need to use PP to Poison the lions and slowly kill them.
- So many Pokemon get Explosion, so they can easily take out a good chunk of lions. In this case they would be fainting rather than dying, and as the anime has shown multiple times Pokemon can easily get up after fainting. The lions on the other hand are just dying.
- Show the lions hideous Delcatty's face and they will all be turned to stone.
- Ditto can do whatever the hell it wants.
Also here are some arguments:
- While PP is a thing, Pokemon can easily run more Fire moves than Flamethrower, such as Lava Plume, which hits multiple opponents.
- To counteract the argument that Xerneas and Yveltal would be asleep I would like to point out that all Pokemon being there is a requirement, meaning that their sleeping bodies would be there, which would likely be woken up eventually by the commotion. This is shown with Yveltal in its movie.
- While Giratina may be stuck in the Distortion world, in its movie it is shown bringing Ash and Dawn inside with portals on anything that reflects, which won't be hard to find when things like water exist. In a later movie it's even shown being able to do it itself.
- In Arceus's movie the main point of him losing his plates was that he was now weak to types such as Electric, and you said yourself that the lions do not have types or attacks. Even with this weakness Arceus was able to greatly damage a city, fighting off DIalga, Palkia, and Giratina all at once, so it definitely is not completely weakened.
- As previously stated, Groudon and Kyogre would ideally be greatly separated, so them fighting would not be a problem.
- While lions could easily take out smaller Pokemon like Rattata, many can learn moves such as Quick Attack to gain speed and lure lions into traps.
Overall, I'm on team Pokemon. While the lions have the numbers by far and in our world may be the "king of the jungle", when compared to the powers of Pokemon they are nothing but bugs.
p0ip0le
it's a billion lions
is your mom single, by any chance?
admittedly, "no items" is a bit unbalanced, so from here i will allow Item Discussion. HOWEVER the rest are standard conditions for any given battle from full health, and the lions are fed and healthy because they both should be at peak performance( though, hungry lions are probably more deadly because theyre Fucking Hungry. your pick!)
what other pokemon could solo a billion lions? would they not get tired at some point from punching lions into the sun (or hyper beaming, or anything)? machamp can't defend itself from attacks from behind!
punching is not a move, using close combat is; perish song would not be able to hit 1 billion lions efficiently and neither would toxic spikes, wonder guard does not block typeless moves, if you cover an untouchable pokemon with a few lions it becomes crushable
just find a lion with a fat ass
Ok normal battle conditions sounds good
So you're telling me that in a "normal battle", xern and yveltal are just asleep, giratina is trapped in a dimension it can manipulate, and the Hoenn trio is immediately fighting each other. In a "normal battle". I am operating on the assumption that in said normal battle, all fighters are conscious and prepared to fight their set adversary. So speaking of consciousness, let's take jirachi. Given that jirachi is awake, as in a normal battle, what is stopping team pokemon from wishing the lions out of existence?
Another thing I'd like to to touch on is the battlefield. Are all the mons just, right next to each other when the battle starts? Where even IS the battle? So I'll throw the lions a bone here and place them in an area they're comfortable with as the OP failed to provide one, and make the battlefield the whole of Sub-Saharan Africa. Just to show that no matter how familiar with their environment they are, they'll still lose! Time-out strategies still apply, the Earth will eventually be consumed by the sun and palkia can camp in a rift until it happens. Mray is still untouchable, as are all fliers, spectral realm inhabitants, underground mons, and aquatic mons. Speaking of ground and water, what exactly is obligating team pokemon to place kyogre and groudon right next to each other. Might as well place them at opposite ends so they just obliterate everything in their path if they do decide to start their own conflict. Both mons could easily solo the billion lions, as I don't think a bunch of kitties can contest control of the continental crust and apocalyptic floods.
p0ip0le
it's a billion lions
kyurem is my favorite hoenn water-type
No she's with yours
So glad you asked,list incoming. And if punching is not an attack, it can use it as much as it wants. And if machamp can do something it naturally can do, like punch, you're freeing up many pokemon to infinitely do what THEY can naturally do. Like fire continent destroying beams of power, or create black holes, or fuckin fly.
Arceus is like actually god
this post is stupid because you don't understand basic geometry and arithmetic. You quite quickly conflated miles and square miles in your calculation of the size the lions would take up. If you used the accurate conversion you would see that the lions only take up 650 square miles, NOT THREE MILLION. Like a bumbling buffoon, you failed to grasp concepts even an average redditor would understand. For shame peasent, FOR SHAME.
also pokemon beat lions.
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