But I guess the Ash x Bayleef shipping would get a little weirder
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But I guess the Ash x Bayleef shipping would get a little weirder
Yung Dramps and Lemingue said:
(Actually, that is the first time I've heard that one, specifically.)
In the anime, Ash's Chikorita/Bayleef was very clingy and affective towards him.
And it's not the only mon that gets attracted towards Ash. Latias (?) and Meloetta say hi.
Well, I prefer our Bayleef more than the one in beta. It's much smoother evol thant Beta Sprite -> Meganium
Wait, Meloetta? I never got the interaction between Ash & Meloetta being ship-y. Shaymin showed more interest in Ash (via a tsundere attitude) than Meloetta which more acted like Victini did, friendly and playful.
However I have heard of ships for Bayleef and of course Latias. Of course I don't take any of those ships seriously, even moreso than the usual crack ships they made with Pokemon characters.
Though my favorite ships are always the one that are between married couples, lol. Like, I don't know, are you sure May & Max's dad likes their mom?
Norman seems to always be portrayed either as an oblivious nice dude or the spawn of the devil outside the games and I really dont know why
I am confused... arent "shipping" meant to be fan theoryes about charachters being in love with each other?
...why do fans ship MARRIED COUPLES???
Considering how somewhat common it is to ship married people with someone else, shipping actual couples isnt that farfetched. I guess the term evolved from fan theory to just "hehe character go kiss"
Here's an unpopular opinion
I don't hate Max
Yes I know, he was invented to be the "kid to relate to" character, and he was always chewing out on Ash. But honestly, it's better than Bonnie
Who literally was only a reverse Brock that advertised cute things
And when they couldn't advertise Dedenne anymore, they just had her advertise Zygar- Oop, I mean, "Squishy"
Which funny enough, Max himself is very much Misty 2.0, but taken in a different direction. He had character development for the Jirachi movie too, and his sibling relation was better with May than Bonnie and Clemont
I don't hate Max
Yes I know, he was invented to be the "kid to relate to" character, and he was always chewing out on Ash. But honestly, it's better than Bonnie
Who literally was only a reverse Brock that advertised cute things
And when they couldn't advertise Dedenne anymore, they just had her advertise Zygar- Oop, I mean, "Squishy"
Which funny enough, Max himself is very much Misty 2.0, but taken in a different direction. He had character development for the Jirachi movie too, and his sibling relation was better with May than Bonnie and Clemont
IDK why but someone naming something with (potential) power akin to the various box legendaries something like “Squishy” just strikes me as absolutely hilarious. Granted, Zygarde is one of the few where that actually makes sense, but still.
I'm going with the popular opinion here, Max really irritated me at moments (his very poor battling skills despite all his bragging, his reaction when Norman loses, etc.), but he was mostly just fine. But his sibling interactions were the best part of him. I'm also pretty 'meh' with Bonnie, and it's kinda hypocritical seeing how people trashtalk Max but gush all over her. She even gets an overused romantic gag similarly to Max, except this one's worse...
I can remember some blushing moments with her? Then again, I haven't watched BW in a loooong time so I might be remembering wrong...
- While I don't really like or dislike Max I'm kind of forgiving towards him since he's a kid. His reaction to Norman losing is pretty typical for someone his age (again, he's a child) since he looks up to his dad as a role model (especially since Norman's pretty well known and highly regarded for his skills) and seeing him lose was a shock to him, especially since May admitted that she and Max never witnessed any of his Gym Battles prior to that. I'm kind of indifferent to him as an overall character though.
- There were some blushing moments with Meloetta last I remember, yeah, if that's what you're wondering.
Continuing on the discussion with Rock and Ice typings and stat builds...while we've more or less covered a lot of what I agree with on those two types specifically, I feel it's also worth noting that I think the Electric type is a type that has a rather opposite problem to Rock and Ice. Ironically it's the Electric type that has its Pokemon made to be fast and frail, but the type itself, while okay offensively, is a type that has a lot of amazing defensive qualities yet few Pokemon that are actually Electric type. There are a lot of great defensive/utility Electric-type moves like Thunder Wave, Discharge, Volt Switch, etc. as well as Electric Terrain but there aren't a whole lot of good defensive/support oriented Electric-type Pokemon. The fact that Electric is a solid defensive type with only one weakness and two pretty strong resistances makes it a great complementary defensive typing to a lot of other types and despite Zapdos and Rotom-Wash existing, that's a pretty small minority that can actually play the defensive/support role amongst the Electric type. Everything else is too frail and fast to really act as a good defensive Electric-type, and oftentimes tend to suffer for it since Electric is...kind of a rather average type in terms of offense and is resisted by quite a few things, despite having an important super effective matchup against Water.
Probably the most blatant examples of the ill-fitting stat spreads of these types is the types' respective Regis, who have the movepools to suit their types in terms of matchup design but not the right stats. Regirock and Regice have very good offensive movepools, but are built as defensive Pokemon with very poor Speed and average offenses. Regieleki has a good support movepool with Screens, Thunder Wave, and even Rapid Spin as well as the stuff like Volt Switch, Electroweb, and even its signature Thunder Cage being a trapping move, but it's fast and frail and yet its offensive movepool is extremely barren.
I'd even remove Zapdos from the list as its stat distribution is actually offensively-oriented. It can pull off defensive roles because it's an early legendary, so all its stats are high.
The only actual defensive Electric-types are the Rotom appliances, Lanturn, and Unovan Stunfisk.
Ampharos too.
Shipping started off as a fan term in Star Trek*, but now it just means "these are two fictional chars whose romance I want to see more of", whether it's canon or not. When people are doing fanfic or fanart, it's easier to stick all the romantic stuff under the same umbrella for categorization, then break it down further. The term shipping already existed, so that's what it got labeled as.
*how do you get Spock and Kirk to kiss? You ship them off somewhere together(preferably with convenient shuttlecraft malfunction and haywire environmental controls)
I get that Max is a kid, but seeing him for several seasons and him being this wannabe specialist gets annoying after a while. His episodes are mostly boring and, besides with Mai, he has the least interesting interactions.
The only time I liked him was in the Jirachi movie, which wasn't good itself.
As for Bonnie, I have no idea. I hardly watched XY because it felt pretentious. To big of a shift in how the characters are portrayed and how Ash acts. I know he "resets" every time he goes to a new region, but almost giving up on a rematch with a gym because Sticky Web Surskit and Gust Vivillon kinda turned me off. Also his bond with Greninja being big enough to trigger a new form while he went through bigger hardships with Pikachu doesn't feel right.
Anyone else noticed that Ash got dumbed down insanely over the years? He used to be oblivious to some stuff, but he wasn't stupid for the sake of stupid. He was kinda a jerk to be honest that was humbled over time.
It felt very consistent before the BW anime started.
Well, whatever can be advertised the best I guess.
The only time I liked him was in the Jirachi movie, which wasn't good itself.
As for Bonnie, I have no idea. I hardly watched XY because it felt pretentious. To big of a shift in how the characters are portrayed and how Ash acts. I know he "resets" every time he goes to a new region, but almost giving up on a rematch with a gym because Sticky Web Surskit and Gust Vivillon kinda turned me off. Also his bond with Greninja being big enough to trigger a new form while he went through bigger hardships with Pikachu doesn't feel right.
Anyone else noticed that Ash got dumbed down insanely over the years? He used to be oblivious to some stuff, but he wasn't stupid for the sake of stupid. He was kinda a jerk to be honest that was humbled over time.
It felt very consistent before the BW anime started.
Well, whatever can be advertised the best I guess.
YES
Ash had actual dev Gen 1-3. Compare him effectively cheating for most Gen 1 badges, to Gen 3 where he refuses to accept Wattson's badge. Personality was better too, especially with 4Kids giving him sassy wit
But after 3 went on for so long, he kinda got flatter, nor has much of an attitude. Then 5...
Starting from Best Wishes, the anime has been going on a downward spiral imo. I consider BW to be the worst one (that's a popular opinion as far as I know), but the following ones aren't good either. Ash's character started being rebooted for whatever it fits rather than just being a more cohesive development or, you know, start fresh with a new protagonist.
For BW, Ash was a moron in order to recapture the feeling from the OG series, even with her female companion nagging at him at every turn, except that we are talking about a trainer that already had several accomplishements under his belt, which was a turnoff for many. And his personality felt so bland here, nothing here forces his character out of his safe zone, despite losing more than ever. No rival like Gary or Paul, no interesting Pokemon companion arc, nothing....
For XY, Ash was more "serious". I'm saying this in quotation since it honestly doesn't feel that much different personality wise from BW, except that this time the characters constantly gush and laud him. I think this worked for characters that lacked self confidence like Clemont and Sawyer, but geez, for every character in Kalos it was ridiculous: Serena crushes over him, Miette crushes over him in an instant, Alan, who was more cold and aloof, fell head over heels over him; he was the chosen one of ANOTHER prophecy, freakin Lysandre prefers his Bond Phenomenon over Mega Evolution (despite it never beat Mega Charizard), it felt so unnatural. This time Ash went to a Pokemon Camp years ago where he met Serena and instantly got used to the Pokemon around him, despite that when he started his journey in Kanto he had no idea how to approach wild Pokemon...why? To make Ash look more perfect and more fuel for the Serena shippers. Oh and despite losing rarely during the season, when he does he goes on brooding mode, like the Viola and Wulfric battles, despite his win rate being higher than ever and pretty much having Kalos handed on a silver platter. Ironically, he takes his defeat at the Kalos League finals like it's nothing lol, no one cares about the league anymore.
For SM, Ash felt more like a kid (well because, he IS one), more curious, mischievous and energetic, but when it came to battling experience it felt kinda iffy. Sometimes he was the expert than could pull off great tactics, other times he was hopeless and struggled against easier situations, and sometimes, the plot just wants him to win just because...Pikashunium Z, Electroweb, the entire Rowlet vs Decidueye fight, etc etc etc, the anime had this trouble before with the Deus ex machina victories, but I dunno, here it felt more pronounced than ever and many of Ash's victories felt so unearned, which is why despite not caring about the Alola League, I can see why many are disappointed over it. Also, I remember a comment from the SM director that said that Ash was dealing with heavy confidence issues (I think he mentioned depression at some point), so the victory at the league meant a lot to Ash. Well, if that's the case, the series did a very poor job showcasing it since Ash was at his happiest here, had loving companions, his stay at Alola was more easy-going than any previous region, and his win isn't even treated as something huge and well earned, since it gets interrupted by a sudden "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" invasion and then it's followed by the "real final battle" against Kukui, which means the previous battle against Gladion, aka his first league victory, was just squat compared to this one.
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Man, I'm feeling bad for the anime now!
You watching the current season? What are your thoughts about it?
I low key feel that Galar got a bit shafted, but the new format is actually pretty interesting because it takes some pressure off the games because they don't need to have a new region and all that jazz ready for the Anime every time.
The actual content... is very hit and miss to me, but I was never a huge fan of the anime to begin with.
Maybe its my -5 iq brain but i really could never notice big differences in the anime. Mainly because i just watch it for the pokemon than the human characters.
Since we're speaking of non-game content: I feel like pokespe is the worst pokemon spin off, because the pokemon barely matter sometimes. While in the anime, you have entire plot points surrounding pokemon, the largest plotpoints with pokemon in pokespe are just... Bad.
I'd classify the pokemon of main protags in two fields:
1. Irrelevant: is just there to fight. No personality other than the actual nature info we get
2. Almost irrelevant: pokemon who become important for the trainers arc for 1 to 3 chapters and then revert back to irrelevancy. Buildup is either non existent or rushed to hell (see: gold's togebo, ruby's mimi)
The mato era actually had some cute scenes with the trainer pokemon, to flesh them out a bit, but it pales in comparision to what the anime is able to pull off.
Since we're speaking of non-game content: I feel like pokespe is the worst pokemon spin off, because the pokemon barely matter sometimes. While in the anime, you have entire plot points surrounding pokemon, the largest plotpoints with pokemon in pokespe are just... Bad.
I'd classify the pokemon of main protags in two fields:
1. Irrelevant: is just there to fight. No personality other than the actual nature info we get
2. Almost irrelevant: pokemon who become important for the trainers arc for 1 to 3 chapters and then revert back to irrelevancy. Buildup is either non existent or rushed to hell (see: gold's togebo, ruby's mimi)
The mato era actually had some cute scenes with the trainer pokemon, to flesh them out a bit, but it pales in comparision to what the anime is able to pull off.
Can we please just get a Mystery Dungeon manga or anime that has actual longevity and isn't just a one-off to promote a new game please and thank you
Man, I'm feeling bad for the anime now!
You watching the current season? What are your thoughts about it?
I low key feel that Galar got a bit shafted, but the new format is actually pretty interesting because it takes some pressure off the games because they don't need to have a new region and all that jazz ready for the Anime every time.
The actual content... is very hit and miss to me, but I was never a huge fan of the anime to begin with.
I watched the first episodes and some bits but I'm not really interested in watching it completely. From what I've seen, Ash's character is more consistent with the latest season, Sun and Moon, so that's something. I dunno, I liked the anime a lot and even looking back at the previous seasons, I still can see why it worked for me; but after BW, plus me being fatigued with Ash's journey, I don't want to be a part of it.
The Adventures manga is more character driven than Pokemon driven, that´s for sure, this is why we get different protagonists in each arc. I love Adventures despite its flaws, and while I've been disappointed by the latest arcs, hopefully it will make a comeback soon. I have more hope in it than the anime though.