Unpopular opinions

[DrumstickGaming]

I might have mentioned this before but...

The elemental monkeys get way too much hate.

Yes, the game kinda pushes them on you in BW1. Yes, many of the mooks use them. Yes, Pansear with Gen V Incinerate (30 BP) is the worst thing ever.

But they are actually good Pokemon. Don't believe me? Use Panpour in BW1, that mon is ridiculous with Scald once evolved into Simipour. The other monkeys are similarly good with their respective moves.

I also think the likes of Starly spoiled people so that anything that doesn't destroy the game from the word go is somewhat looked down upon. I don't love Starly in-game all that much.

 

[Siggu]

I might have mentioned this before but...

The elemental monkeys get way too much hate.

Yes, the game kinda pushes them on you in BW1. Yes, many of the mooks use them. Yes, Pansear with Gen V Incinerate (30 BP) is the worst thing ever.

But they are actually good Pokemon. Don't believe me? Use Panpour in BW1, that mon is ridiculous with Scald once evolved into Simipour. The other monkeys are similarly good with their respective moves.

I also think the likes of Starly spoiled people so that anything that doesn't destroy the game from the word go is somewhat looked down upon. I don't love Starly in-game all that much.

I'm pretty sure their in-game performance isn't what makes some people dislike them.

I personally couldn't care less.

 

[Bloomer28]

yeah it was easier to defend in pokémon's beginnings, where the internet wasn't wide spread and online play wasn't even thought of. the two versions and exclusives meant you had to go to your friends to trade, play and battle. the fact you couldnt complete the game alone wasnt just for selling copies (honestly, it never truly was, as buying two copies still didnt allow you to get all pokemon in one copy if you didnt have two systems and whatever the method was to transfer, link cable or othewise), it was to make it an easy social game by design, as you'd talk to friends to trade and battle, and other kids would buy the game to join the fun with their friends.

this also made the game very easy to interact with others, as it grew in an exponential way, gaining a big young following. you always had a new playground rumor to talk about. this virtuous circle gave pokemon the big boy pants it has, and even after the hype faded, it gained so much of a following that the audience that wasnt a fad was still super big.

nowadays, this is lost as most pokemon fans interact online with wonder trades, gts, and online modes in general, and pokémon doesnt need social interactions to sell their games anymore

Bro, I made a small post, and you make like a whole like mad lad essay about the stuff, and man, you just explained a whole buisness standpoint. Man. You went all out buckaroo. Kudos to you, absoulute mad lad.

 

[Bakugames]

Honestly my problem with platinum is the same as swsh, that theres so many pokemon that break the game early on that you can get so easily. the fact you can get a gible in the first 20 mins of the game is insane.

at least with swsh there so much broken shit that you get some cool team variations, even if they lead to the same "haha ggs bro" situations. most people who play platinum have almost the exact same team, excluding the starter (even though its biased by infernape due to the shit fire distribution. ponyta sucks ass).

its the opposite of johto, where theres so many awful and worthless pokemon that teams often look the same because they use one of the like... 12 pokémon worth using lol

 

[Bloomer28]

I might have mentioned this before but...

The elemental monkeys get way too much hate.

Yes, the game kinda pushes them on you in BW1. Yes, many of the mooks use them. Yes, Pansear with Gen V Incinerate (30 BP) is the worst thing ever.

But they are actually good Pokemon. Don't believe me? Use Panpour in BW1, that mon is ridiculous with Scald once evolved into Simipour. The other monkeys are similarly good with their respective moves.

I also think the likes of Starly spoiled people so that anything that doesn't destroy the game from the word go is somewhat looked down upon. I don't love Starly in-game all that much.

Hey dude, you do have a good argument, but the hate is twoards the designs, since they do look dopey. But I truly think the concepts are amazing ( See no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil, and how in their evolutions they become corrupted and turn into the opposites of their respective thingy ) but the execution makes them look really weird, like a lot of other gen 5 pokemon. I love everything else about the monkeys, except the weird, clunky, and just off looking evolutions to them.

 

[Bloomer28]

Honestly my problem with platinum is the same as swsh, that theres so many pokemon that break the game early on that you can get so easily. the fact you can get a gible in the first 20 mins of the game is insane.

at least with swsh there so much broken shit that you get some cool team variations, even if they lead to the same "haha ggs bro" situations. most people who play platinum have almost the exact same team, excluding the starter (even though its biased by infernape due to the shit fire distribution. ponyta sucks ass).

its the opposite of johto, where theres so many awful and worthless pokemon that teams often look the same because they use one of the like... 12 pokémon worth using lol

WHY ARE YOU RIGHT


Edit: I absolutely get what you're saying man, because in both of those games, you can basically get like some super powerful pokemon really early on, but at least pokemon platinum spices it up with brutally hard pokemon battes near the end ( ie, Cynthia, final barry fight, any elite four fight,etc. ) and the brutally hard post game. But, pokemon Sw/Sh use yeet some mega strong pokemon at you, easy leveling, and give you a game that is good for like hoenn lol. Johto has a lot of useless pokemon, and one of the hardest gauntlets ever including whitney ( SATAN), Lance, and just about any other fight, though heart gold vastly improved on this. Honestly, this isnt a unpopular opinion, it's just straight facts. Not biased.

 

[DrumstickGaming]

Hey dude, you do have a good argument, but the hate is twoards the designs, since they do look dopey. But I truly think the concepts are amazing ( See no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil, and how in their evolutions they become corrupted and turn into the opposites of their respective thingy ) but the execution makes them look really weird, like a lot of other gen 5 pokemon. I love everything else about the monkeys, except the weird, clunky, and just off looking evolutions to them.

I'm pretty sure I've seen a post by CRoll saying he didn't like how they got shoved in your face, which isn't necessarily related to design.

But I wasn't talking about design, I was talking about in-game viability. In the BW1 in-game tier list, Panpour was A for a reason.

Hilariously they all kinda suck in the sequel since you have to get them from rustling grass and everything sans the Fire Stone isn't easily available.

 

[Bakugames]

i thin the monkeys are cute :( i never understood the simisear hate. maybe i just like monky

 

[Bloomer28]

Pretty disliked opinion: The fossil mixed up thing in Sw/Sh is just really annoying and dumb. It would be coo having the complete forms and have the mixed up forms be able to created somewhere else, or just not there at all. I have to admit it does give the games a bit of charm, but the designs are really weird looking and not very attractive, so it would've been better off without this, since it doesn't really add much to the game except probably the worst, most overpowered pokemon, dracovish, and the rest are just useless.

 

[Merritt]

Honestly my problem with platinum is the same as swsh, that theres so many pokemon that break the game early on that you can get so easily. the fact you can get a gible in the first 20 mins of the game is insane.

at least with swsh there so much broken shit that you get some cool team variations, even if they lead to the same "haha ggs bro" situations. most people who play platinum have almost the exact same team, excluding the starter (even though its biased by infernape due to the shit fire distribution. ponyta sucks ass).

its the opposite of johto, where theres so many awful and worthless pokemon that teams often look the same because they use one of the like... 12 pokémon worth using lol

>20 minutes

damn you're real fast, current WR speedrun only gets to the point where you could even consider going off to obtain Gible at almost exactly the hour mark

While obviously hyperbole, Gible honestly isn't even particularly broken. Certainly not to the level of actually obtaining a Pokemon which is higher leveled than the Champion's ace at the 51 minute mark

If anything the "broken" things in Platinum are the early Return and Earthquake TMs which swsh takes up to 11 with raid rewards goddamn

 

[Siggu]

>20 minutes

damn you're real fast, current WR speedrun only gets to the point where you could even consider going off to obtain Gible at almost exactly the hour mark

Nothing a walking though walls code can't solve :P

But apart from that, considering that you have to go to a side route and explore for a while, I don't really consider Gible to be broken (or at least not "that" broken). It's way too easy to miss. If you are trying to get it, it's because you already know what it can do.

 

[Bakugames]

>20 minutes

damn you're real fast, current WR speedrun only gets to the point where you could even consider going off to obtain Gible at almost exactly the hour mark

forgot platinum is slow as hell lmao, thats what i get for only using speedup on old games

While obviously hyperbole, Gible honestly isn't even particularly broken. Certainly not to the level of actually obtaining a Pokemon which is higher leveled than the Champion's ace at the 51 minute mark

If anything the "broken" things in Platinum are the early Return and Earthquake TMs which swsh takes up to 11 with raid rewards goddamn

eternatus is stupid unga bunga give overpowered legendary before the elite four play they've done for a bit cranked up to eleven, but it seems irreleveant to point it out when i already said that the game is baby easy, it just has way more cooler team building than platinum

gible imo is broken esp with early dragon rage and the fact garchomp is just stupid in gen 4 ingame. return isnt even that bad if you dont grind for happiness, though eq is stupid as hell

 

[DrumstickGaming]

most people who play platinum have almost the exact same team

This is true but

Try different things sometime. Of this batch I'd only say Pachirisu was deadweight (though Barboach is a bad mon for bad people). Yes, Machamp and Houndoom are kinda standard, but the others definitely aren't.

 

[Bakugames]

This is true but

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Try different things sometime. Of this batch I'd only say Pachirisu was deadweight. Yes, Machamp and Houndoom are kinda standard, but the others definitely aren't.

I only really use platinum for randomizers nowadays if im not up for hgss or bw/bw2, so the runs are often different by design. Its not fun for me to play vanilla anymore personally, but I think that's why I say its kinda the opposite of johto.

Johto has a lot of options, but most are dead weight, its hard to use new stuff when the movepool and/or (mainly and tbh) stats are horrible, so teams often go to the same options out of "i actually want to progress without grinding to hell". Platinum does have cool pokemon options, but some stuff is just so good that most dont really go out of their way unless they play the game a lot (since i think even playing with your favorites would get boring as hell, even if theyre the best options). Its not bad in a replay, but I think its different from stuff like emerald, bw/bw2 (fuck those levels making some pokemon unviable though) and alola, which often have more way variety in teams on the first plays, even when considering common picks (theyre bound to happen anyways)

 

[DrumstickGaming]

I only really use platinum for randomizers nowadays if im not up for hgss or bw/bw2, so the runs are often different by design. Its not fun for me to play vanilla anymore personally, but I think that's why I say its kinda the opposite of johto.

Johto has a lot of options, but most are dead weight, its hard to use new stuff when the movepool and/or (mainly and tbh) stats are horrible, so teams often go to the same options out of "i actually want to progress without grinding to hell". Platinum does have cool pokemon options, but some stuff is just so good that most dont really go out of their way unless they play the game a lot (since i think even playing with your favorites would get boring as hell, even if theyre the best options). Its not bad in a replay, but I think its different from stuff like emerald, bw/bw2 (fuck those levels making some pokemon unviable though) and alola, which often have more way variety in teams on the first plays, even when considering common picks (theyre bound to happen anyways)

yeah Platinum and HGSS aren't that fun. BW2, while still blending together to me is a lot more playable. You can actually use stuff like Claydol. As for the levels...I don't see it too much. I mean yeah Hydreigon, but Pawniard is actually usable in BW2 thanks to tutors.

My main issue with BW2 is the awful pacing after 6 badges where the game force feeds you mooks by the dozen.

 

[Volt-Ikazuchi]

WHY ARE YOU RIGHT


Edit: I absolutely get what you're saying man, because in both of those games, you can basically get like some super powerful pokemon really early on, but at least pokemon platinum spices it up with brutally hard pokemon battes near the end ( ie, Cynthia, final barry fight, any elite four fight,etc. ) and the brutally hard post game. But, pokemon Sw/Sh use yeet some mega strong pokemon at you, easy leveling, and give you a game that is good for like hoenn lol. Johto has a lot of useless pokemon, and one of the hardest gauntlets ever including whitney ( SATAN), Lance, and just about any other fight, though heart gold vastly improved on this. Honestly, this isnt a unpopular opinion, it's just straight facts. Not biased.

Right? Foolishness.

The thing about GOAT Mainline Game Platinum is that yes, you really have incredible options at your disposal and yes, a lot of major battles also are pulling up with a full clip, and not just near the endgame with Lucian and Cynthia, I'm talking about Roark's Pursuit Cranidos, Jupiter's Skuntank in Eterna making Team Galactic look like a real threat, Fantina's Mismagius having the Hearthome Pokémon Center look like Vermillion's Center in the Anime...

What is SEVERELY underrated is the sheer number of legit good options Platinum offers for team building.

Let's start with the starters. We're talking about a game where all starters are legit good.

Infernape needs no introduction and neither does Empoleon, but Torterra might legit be the best in-game Grass Starter.

We're talking about a mon that gets Curse, Leech Seed, Wood Hammer, Crunch and Earthquake by Level-Up. Razor Leaf is early and Bite comes in time for the dreaded Fantina match-up.
Coverage? A wealth of Rock moves via TM to pair up with Earthquake. Rock Tomb, Slide, and Stone Edge are all available to it. Crunch also helps against tricky matchups like Lucian.
Speed? Rock Polish may be late, but it's nigh-uncontested and turns Torterra into a bulky, hard-hitting, and fast mon that can pull off quick sweeps even in the E4.
Matchups? With that coverage? You're only in real, real trouble against Candice and Flint. Everyone else can be taken down with a good set and a little preparation. It legit has good matchups due to its offensive prowess too, most notably against Volkner.

Now you might be asking, "Sure, Torterra for A. Who else?"

Who else? Here's a list that can only be rivaled by SwSh's broken raids.

Besides the obvious Starter + Staraptor, Luxray and Garchomp, there's also Gallade, Gliscor, Floatzel, Scizor, Toxicroak, Gastrodon, Porygon-Z, Gardevoir, Rotom, Gengar, Houndoom, Froslass, the Eeveelutions, Roserade, Magnezone, Magmortar, Rhyperior, Electivire, Milotic, Probopass, Togekiss, Tentacruel, Yanmega, Rampardos, Machamp, Bronzong, Medicham, Lucario, Bastiodon, Weavile, and Abomasnow.

All kinds of mons that require all kinds of effort or not, but all of them are at least not going to be liabilities. You can easily pick a team out of this list without picking the staple Platinum MVPs and still have a pretty good team.

gible imo is broken esp with early dragon rage and the fact garchomp is just stupid in gen 4 ingame.

Oh yes, Gabite with EQ + Rock Tomb and Dragon Rage, very broken indeed...

CAN'T EVEN GET PAST FANTINA'S MISMAGIUS.

Hype up No Eviolite Gabite until post-Distortion World as broken in-game brehs.

This is true but

Try different things sometime.

That's a good looking team bro, good job. Nice catch with the Vespiquen, that 1:8 Fem rate is no joke.

Oh yeah, another one for the list.

 

[DrumstickGaming]

Right? Foolishness.

The thing about GOAT Mainline Game Platinum is that yes, you really have incredible options at your disposal and yes, a lot of major battles also are pulling up with a full clip, and not just near the endgame with Lucian and Cynthia, I'm talking about Roark's Pursuit Cranidos, Jupiter's Skuntank in Eterna making Team Galactic look like a real threat, Fantina's Mismagius having the Hearthome Pokémon Center look like Vermillion's Center in the Anime...

What is SEVERELY underrated is the sheer number of legit good options Platinum offers for team building.

Let's start with the starters. We're talking about a game where all starters are legit good.

Infernape needs no introduction and neither does Empoleon, but Torterra might legit be the best in-game Grass Starter.

We're talking about a mon that gets Curse, Leech Seed, Wood Hammer, Crunch and Earthquake by Level-Up. Razor Leaf is early and Bite comes in time for the dreaded Fantina match-up.
Coverage? A wealth of Rock moves via TM to pair up with Earthquake. Rock Tomb, Slide, and Stone Edge are all available to it. Crunch also helps against tricky matchups like Lucian.
Speed? Rock Polish may be late, but it's nigh-uncontested and turns Torterra into a bulky, hard-hitting, and fast mon that can pull off quick sweeps even in the E4.
Matchups? With that coverage? You're only in real, real trouble against Candice and Flint. Everyone else can be taken down with a good set and a little preparation. It legit has good matchups due to its offensive prowess too, most notably against Volkner.

Now you might be asking, "Sure, Torterra for A. Who else?"

Who else? Here's a list that can only be rivaled by SwSh's broken raids.

Besides the obvious Starter + Staraptor, Luxray and Garchomp, there's also Gallade, Gliscor, Floatzel, Scizor, Toxicroak, Gastrodon, Porygon-Z, Gardevoir, Rotom, Gengar, Houndoom, Froslass, the Eeveelutions, Roserade, Magnezone, Magmortar, Rhyperior, Electivire, Milotic, Probopass, Togekiss, Tentacruel, Yanmega, Rampardos, Machamp, Bronzong, Medicham, Lucario, Bastiodon, Weavile, and Abomasnow.

All kinds of mons that require all kinds of effort or not, but all of them are at least not going to be liabilities. You can easily pick a team out of this list without picking the staple Platinum MVPs and still have a pretty good team.



Oh yes, Gabite with EQ + Rock Tomb and Dragon Rage, very broken indeed...

CAN'T EVEN GET PAST FANTINA'S MISMAGIUS.

Hype up No Eviolite Gabite until post-Distortion World as broken in-game brehs.

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That's a good looking team bro, good job. Nice catch with the Vespiquen, that 1:8 Fem rate is no joke.

Oh yeah, another one for the list.

you do know you can soft reset for female Combee right? Gender is not determined when you slather the tree.

 

[Bakugames]

CAN'T EVEN GET PAST FANTINA'S MISMAGIUS.

Wait, but wasnt the whole thing with fantina that almost nothing tanks mismagius? Other than normal types/big boy crunch users iirc. At least i think youre the one who mentioned it, but it might be someone else. This is a genuine question btw

 

[Volt-Ikazuchi]

Wait, but wasnt the whole thing with fantina that almost nothing tanks mismagius? Other than normal types/big boy crunch users iirc. At least i think youre the one who mentioned it, but it might be someone else. This is a genuine question btw

The thing about Mismagius is that yes, you're not going to have a hard counter for it. However, you do have some good neutral options that may or may not solo it, like say, Bite Grotle, Crunch Floatzel, or Staravia if you're more defensively minded.

But since the odds of a clean sweep are almost 0... You can imagine how people react to her.

you do know you can soft reset for female Combee right? Gender is not determined when you slather the tree.

You really learn something new every day lmao.

Speaking of variety, I'm planning teams for a Black 1 / White 2 run, and man... You really gotta use Lillipup and/or the Monkey, huh?

 

[Bloomer28]

Right? Foolishness.

The thing about GOAT Mainline Game Platinum is that yes, you really have incredible options at your disposal and yes, a lot of major battles also are pulling up with a full clip, and not just near the endgame with Lucian and Cynthia, I'm talking about Roark's Pursuit Cranidos, Jupiter's Skuntank in Eterna making Team Galactic look like a real threat, Fantina's Mismagius having the Hearthome Pokémon Center look like Vermillion's Center in the Anime...

What is SEVERELY underrated is the sheer number of legit good options Platinum offers for team building.

Let's start with the starters. We're talking about a game where all starters are legit good.

Infernape needs no introduction and neither does Empoleon, but Torterra might legit be the best in-game Grass Starter.

We're talking about a mon that gets Curse, Leech Seed, Wood Hammer, Crunch and Earthquake by Level-Up. Razor Leaf is early and Bite comes in time for the dreaded Fantina match-up.
Coverage? A wealth of Rock moves via TM to pair up with Earthquake. Rock Tomb, Slide, and Stone Edge are all available to it. Crunch also helps against tricky matchups like Lucian.
Speed? Rock Polish may be late, but it's nigh-uncontested and turns Torterra into a bulky, hard-hitting, and fast mon that can pull off quick sweeps even in the E4.
Matchups? With that coverage? You're only in real, real trouble against Candice and Flint. Everyone else can be taken down with a good set and a little preparation. It legit has good matchups due to its offensive prowess too, most notably against Volkner.

Now you might be asking, "Sure, Torterra for A. Who else?"

Who else? Here's a list that can only be rivaled by SwSh's broken raids.

Besides the obvious Starter + Staraptor, Luxray and Garchomp, there's also Gallade, Gliscor, Floatzel, Scizor, Toxicroak, Gastrodon, Porygon-Z, Gardevoir, Rotom, Gengar, Houndoom, Froslass, the Eeveelutions, Roserade, Magnezone, Magmortar, Rhyperior, Electivire, Milotic, Probopass, Togekiss, Tentacruel, Yanmega, Rampardos, Machamp, Bronzong, Medicham, Lucario, Bastiodon, Weavile, and Abomasnow.

All kinds of mons that require all kinds of effort or not, but all of them are at least not going to be liabilities. You can easily pick a team out of this list without picking the staple Platinum MVPs and still have a pretty good team.



Oh yes, Gabite with EQ + Rock Tomb and Dragon Rage, very broken indeed...

CAN'T EVEN GET PAST FANTINA'S MISMAGIUS.

Hype up No Eviolite Gabite until post-Distortion World as broken in-game brehs.

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That's a good looking team bro, good job. Nice catch with the Vespiquen, that 1:8 Fem rate is no joke.

Oh yeah, another one for the list.

Yeah, you are really right though, But Gibble evolves into Gabite at level 30? ( don't remember ) and then you can get fire blast, after you get strength I think you can get earthquake on it, and dragon claw on level up, which is pretty good early on, so by the 4th gym you might already have gabite i think (?) Giving you a pretty good dragon stab move fairly early on, But he mostly picks up momentum twoards the end. when he evolves into garchomp. Why I'm really supportive of the line is because I used one and it wrecked, ( even as a gabite ) so get it in like the 3rd hour, throw the exp share on it, and by the 5th gym it has to be a gabite, and then you got a psudeo legendary mid stage that isnt a shelgon. Also, garchomp/gabite can have a super effective move against every single like major trainer i think ( maybe not lucian idk )
So overall, you can get the guy in less than around 5 hours, so he's really good. I say get infernape because you can already have a amazing early grass type in roserade, so infernape is honestly the best choice over rapidash, ( fire is basically essential to any normal playthrpugh team, ) and fire has some of the best matchups in the game as a whole, so i say inferanpe is the best one overall. ( Also, if you want a full replacment to tortrra, pick up a tangela in the great marsh and get a tangrowth around like level 35 ) and infernape also is the best starter on their own, so infernape is all around the best choice. This doesn't make sense lol.

Edit: This is a really puny argument, so sorry. I'm just being really defensive.

 

[Volt-Ikazuchi]

Yeah, you are really right though, But Gibble evolves into Gabite at level 30? ( don't remember ) and then you can get fire blast, after you get strength I think you can get earthquake on it, and dragon claw on level up, which is pretty good early on, so by the 4th gym you might already have gabite i think (?) Giving you a pretty good dragon stab move fairly early on, But he mostly picks up momentum twoards the end. when he evolves into garchomp. Why I'm really supportive of the line is because I used one and it wrecked, ( even as a gabite ) so get it in like the 3rd hour, throw the exp share on it, and by the 5th gym it has to be a gabite, and then you got a psudeo legendary mid stage that isnt a shelgon. Also, garchomp/gabite can have a super effective move against every single like major trainer i think ( maybe not lucian idk )
So overall, you can get the guy in less than around 5 hours, so he's really good. I say get infernape because you can already have a amazing early grass type in roserade, so infernape is honestly the best choice over rapidash, ( fire is basically essential to any normal playthrpugh team, ) and fire has some of the best matchups in the game as a whole, so i say inferanpe is the best one overall. ( Also, if you want a full replacment to tortrra, pick up a tangela in the great marsh and get a tangrowth around like level 35 ) and infernape also is the best starter on their own, so infernape is all around the best choice. This doesn't make sense lol.

Ok, let's dissect this. For Gabite, Gible evolves at Lv. 24. You don't need Strength to catch it or get EQ in Plat, only the Bike.

As soon as you catch it, it's going to be an excellent member of your team assuming you give it EQ. EQ + Early Dragon Rage is not something to scoff at.

The thing about Gabite is that it evolves at Lv. 48. For reference, Giratina is Lv. 47 in the Distortion World. This means you'll be using Gabite for the majority of the game.

Gabite definitely does have the movepool to keep up, but not the stats. This is definitely not a broken mon in-game especially when you have to consider the whole segment between Celestic Town and Snowpoint filled with Ice and snow everywhere. One Ice Shard and you got a dead dragon. And it's everywhere.

As for the starter thing, Roserade and Torterra play completely differently. Rose does not have the kind of coverage Torterra has or its setup potential. It plays much more like a classic Grass-type, but with the advantage of being very fast once fully evolved.

The point about Torterra is that it's a good starter. Sure, it may not be the best and Sinnoh doesn't really have a lot of options when it comes to Fire-types, but that doesn't mean Torterra is on the same boat as say, Chikorita and Snivy. Picking the Grass Starter in Platinum doesn't mean you're playing on Hard Mode like in most of the other games.

Also, plenty of games in this franchise where Fire isn't a super valued type. Most notably the Kanto games.

 

[Bakugames]

The thing about Mismagius is that yes, you're not going to have a hard counter for it. However, you do have some good neutral options that may or may not solo it, like say, Bite Grotle, Crunch Floatzel, or Staravia if you're more defensively minded.

But since the odds of a clean sweep are almost 0... You can imagine how people react to her.

Im guessing then that fantina is a bit like whitney but actually hard (i dont remember having issues with whitney, as even if my team composition was trash i could catch something useful for her gym that could wall it, especially if it was female). They probably should have dropped shadow ball for something a bit less devastating, or maybe just kept skunky as an catchable option

 

[Volt-Ikazuchi]

They probably should have dropped shadow ball for something a bit less devastating, or maybe just kept skunky as an catchable option

Nah, that's weak-minded.

It's fine to have a tough boss every once in a while. It builds character.
Ain't no point in complaining about how braindead easy SwSh's Leaders are if Fantina gets people whining. Ain't no shortage of options out there, just win the neutral matchup.

 

[Cobalt Empoleon]

Im guessing then that fantina is a bit like whitney but actually hard (i dont remember having issues with whitney, as even if my team composition was trash i could catch something useful for her gym that could wall it, especially if it was female). They probably should have dropped shadow ball for something a bit less devastating, or maybe just kept skunky as an catchable option

what do you mean you’re guessing lmao, this whole convo started because you said that platinum gives you too many options that break the game. How can you say that without seeming to have that much knowledge about the important battles (or how good Gible is, for that matter)

Anyway, yeah, Platinum Fantina’s hard for the same reason Whitney is: in both cases you’ve got a strong ace that can deal heavy damage and will probably outspeed your whole team, while also potentially haxing past your defensive answers (Attract, Stomp flinches, Confuse Ray, Sp. Def drops), plus it’s backed by one or two mons that aren’t usually that threatening but can be super annoying (Clefairy’s Metronome, Encore, and Cute Charm; Duskull’s Will-o-Wisp; Haunter’s Hypnosis).

It’s good though. These kinds of Gym Battles are memorable because they’re fun and satisfying to get past, even with the hax elements.

 

[Bakugames]

what do you mean you’re guessing lmao, this whole convo started because you said that platinum gives you too many options that break the game. How can you say that without seeming to have that much knowledge about the important battles (or how good Gible is, for that matter)

I often say i'm guessing just to make sure, since i dont remember having any difficulty with fantina on the times i played, but cant really dispute it rn lol