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NOC 11p gen 1 closed setup (D4 End: Dec 25 at 5 PM PST)

shubaka17 said:
oh also Nuxl i would like that 24 hour extension just for the courtesy of our european friends, seeing as they're about half the game with UTO and Former eliminated
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I support this we don’t have enough information for 48 hour day especially with inactive slots like TBZ (imo sub him out)
 
Clarinet said:
do you think we have Tp

what do you mean? we have 48 hours, right?
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Slight sus for thinking 48 hours is enough I honestly kinda townlean shub for asking for the extension.

Town don’t have enough information today, thinking we have enough info for a 48 hour phase might betray a scum mindset
 
bluegummybear said:
Interesting. Now we wait for Clever to say that they town read shub? Something ain't right with Caff/Clever/Shub core. They all may not be scum but there has to be something fishy going on.
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You're gonna have to work real hard to justify a "Caff/Celever/Shub" core considering I've scumread Caff for most the game and tried to start a wagon on him yesterday.

It feels like you're ctrl+f'ing shub in the thread and only reading stuff relevant to him. Please stop.
 
bluegummybear said:
you town read shubaka17? Do you have anything on him?
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not gonna read too much of thread, ended up catching drinks and movies after dinner with my next door neighbor, but please bgb i already corrected you twice, i use they/them pronouns. you can (in a very tunnely manner) scum read me all you want, just please stop referring to me as male
 
Celever said:
Slight sus for thinking 48 hours is enough I honestly kinda townlean shub for asking for the extension.

Town don’t have enough information today, thinking we have enough info for a 48 hour phase might betray a scum mindset
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Stop this nonsense, the only reason I want 48 is because days feel like years in 72 hours and it's not like we can solve better

but I'm not against Shubi's request for extension, I'm also EU
 
now everything's blurry, I keep mistaking TBZ with gummy and if you ask me who is Chansey, I'm not even sure

Gummybears claimed Chansey and TBallz Mr Mine

Hope that is correct
 
you can say flavor doesn't mean anything, but Chansey? Chansey of all Poke to be evil?

I refuse to think that, look at him!
Nah, it can't be. I think Nuxl is not a twisted mod, making Chansey like that

You can't think it's wrong, but I would rather not lynch Chansey
 
Celever said:
Right now I think I’m against it. Haven’t dissected EoD yesterday yet but Tommy seems very town by first impression the entire time, and he was very town before Former’s BS the entire time as well as shown in my ISO yesterday.

My hold up is that if Former hadn’t randomly jumped ship from me to Tommy, we’d currently be in the exact same situation questioning whether a town could truly play so badly so as to accuse another town as hard as Former did. And since I’m town, I can say that yes, Former really was that bad this game. Tommy and I both treated his BS with towny aggression and it made me townread Tommy more.

The main issue IMO is that if this is 8v3 and we mislynch today, we’re in LYLO tomorrow (outside of town PR interference), and I think if Tommy is town and we spend today voting him we’re really stuck for information come D3. There are a whole plethora of fairly equally suspicious people IMO, and today could be better spent focussing on them.

Speaking of Vote CaffeineBoost your EoD was a real mess bro
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I think Tommy seems very not-town by first impression during EoD -- you both treated his 'BS' with aggression and with you I think I get it, because you tunnel hard on anyone who suspects you, but i think w/ duskfall it was very unnatural. i'll elaborate further on that later, but actually CaffeineBoost why do you think EoD was so incriminating for duskfall?

The main thing I take issue w/ here is the idea that we're stuck for information if Tommy flips town, (caffeineboost suddenly looks a lot more suss, for instance), and I feel like the fact that you can't see we can gain a ton of info regardless of which way he flips (though he's flipping maf) makes me question how strongly i townread you. either you're in dusk's pocket here or you're creating a defence that's just not there -- in fact i think it's very scummy from you

Can you elaborate on how cb's end of day was a mess? I think I buy into the whole 'reaction test' schtick he pulled off there, that felt natural

Celever said:
I don’t think I can spot this tbh interested in what you say. I noticed something else that I think is dumb but not scummy.
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It's not actually as massively scummy as i thought because bgb jumped ship on sussing former a few pages before that, but the progression of bgb sussing out former to then not sussing former when it became clearer he was getting voted off seems sketchy (like he knew former wasn't maf and wanted to make himself look less guilty), and then when pushed to suggest a scum team he goes dusk/celever/shub, adding dusk out of the blue -- weird right? There's no reason for that-- oh wait, this happened pretty directly after former suggests a bgb/dusk scumteam, and now it just looks like bgb is directly trying to distance himself from that accusation. Note how he's gone back to the celever/shub/caff scumread and dusk 'needs to be looked into more'.

But here's the thing with bgb. He fascinates me, it's insane, I thought clarinet was difficult to read but bgb is on a whole nother level. He says and does things I would never do as maf. e.g. Launching into a three-pronged attack on celever/caff/shub, who were *all* townread by former (well, caff wasn't, but he's tr by others here). if bgb is maf then he sure as hell isn't looking in the daychat. The tunneling on shubaka in particular is something i don't know if i'd ever keep up as maf, and i agree w/ your assessment that his EoD could just as easily be a bad townie floundering rather than a maf floundering. i'm not really interested in voting him off today because i still have my doubts.

Celever said:
I don’t think Tommy was thinking straight enough to do this. He was clearly pissed off at Former (which, rightly so, how did he flip town I’m still annoyed at him for taking away out D1 with his trolling) and I think largely he was using this thread to vent rather than to make complex mechanical plays like this.
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disagree, i think most people were very unsure about former flipping maf or town and his venting/insistence seems unbelievable to me
Celever said:
CB and TBZ are scum leans to me. TBZ hasn’t anything towny this game really, while CB is a very mixed bag weighted to scummy. I do agree shooting here is viable today and is probably the camp I’m in right now.
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weird how you suggest a duskfall flip won't provide info and then agree that shooting today is viable and raise tbz as a possibility, who if flipped will provide the least info possible (honestly i'm fed up with tballz i want them replaced)

Celever said:
SB is townlean approaching town. His EoD earned him some town points imo and he was already townlean before that
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sb is a slot i need to look into more. did townlean, EoD felt strangeish from them

Celever said:
Can you make a case for Caff town?
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yeah i think so: 1) suggesting me/you are either both town or both maf is a move i don't think maf would like to make, since i'm town it would clear both of us using their logic, + i don't ever see a world in which you and caff are on the same team here. i also just like the thought progression of 'well if celever's defending eagle so quickly then they're either both town or both maf', which is a very flawed thought progression but once that seems towny to make
2) unless the whole 'i've had a bath' thing is secret slang for 'dipped into the daychat' i think i buy it as a genuine processing of thoughts
3) mindmeld re: former cop claim being potentially true
4) suggesting that former is in their towncore post-gambit is an admission i don't think maf makes, esp. that early
5) as i mentioned earlier former reaction test at EoD seemed very natural
 
It's essentially a town loss but don't try read who was right wrong on me former etc d3 i think the game needs a full reset there's no real info to be gained off either of our kills
 
Ftr my EOD D1 is actually incredibly townie for me for anyone who's played with me a lot, because I'm known as a tilt tunneler lmao. Regardless I was wrong on the kill so w/e. I've played many games where mafia white knights me and I have to self does and push slots i shouldn't to survive as town. It's incredibly possible the people defending me here could be mafia and my entire game viewpoint is off rn I feel like there's no real info in the thread at all.
 
i think duskfall's plan btw was to off former, and in this situation where he's on the chopping block, be able to take advantage of the userbase being either inexperienced or pocketed and guilt trip us into not voting him off

do you have any examples of tilt tunneling to that extent dusk
 
Eagle4 said:
i think duskfall's plan btw was to off former, and in this situation where he's on the chopping block, be able to take advantage of the userbase being either inexperienced or pocketed and guilt trip us into not voting him off

do you have any examples of tilt tunneling to that extent dusk
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Oh boy
 
In gerenal tilt tunneling is my natural state in mafia games which I try to ignore the instinct to do (tbh I am sure caffeine somewhat remembers this maybe he forgets?). I honestly am tinfoiling everyone today mostly I am still in shock how former was town and I don't really have any good mafia reads to provide. Usually after I super tilt I chain kill town when I get into a bad spot cause I get over defensive so I am just trying to avoid that lmao.
 
Former was never mafia with his cop gambit, it's ridiculous to think that a mafioso would ever draw that much attention

it's a huge shame that he received votes and it might cost us the game
 
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