Pokemon Legends - Arceus - 28th Jan 2022 *Official Content Only*

Skill Link could also be cool with Pin Missile and Rock Blast. Less power than TechBlast at maximum but much more consistent. If Kleavor has decent speed then I think Skill Link would be better than Technician honestly, provided it gets both of those moves
Really doubt Pin Missile will be in it's kit since it hasn't been in the Scyther family for all these years anyhow, and it doesn't exactly elicit traits for learning it. Rock Blast is more likely but knowing Gamefreak they'd deny it to put more focus on it's shiny new signature move. That said Technician Rock Blast and/or Accelerock would make Kleavor a guaranteed fun mon, like a Rock-type Breloom.
 
Really doubt Pin Missile will be in it's kit since it hasn't been in the Scyther family for all these years anyhow, and it doesn't exactly elicit traits for learning it. Rock Blast is more likely but knowing Gamefreak they'd deny it to put more focus on it's shiny new signature move. That said Technician Rock Blast and/or Accelerock would make Kleavor a guaranteed fun mon, like a Rock-type Breloom.
True. Come to think of it, if it gets U-Turn, I feel like it'd prefer to run that for Bug STAB anyway. I just wonder what other Linkable moves it'd get?

Technician seems to be the most likely here. I can't wait for Kleavor
 
So this might be a stretch, but notice the starter levels here-

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They're exactly one level away from evolving. I'd be less skeptical if it was only for one of them, but the both of them being at said point is definitely intentional. Combined with the fact we know new forms or evolutions for other pokémon are a thing, and we have not seen any of Samurott, Decidueye, Typhlosion, Dewott, Dartrix or Quilava in any game shots nor promotional material really stats seeming more suspicious each second. I can't get much into that because it gets into speculative territory, but thought it would be interesting to point out.

Austin John also pointed out that the pastures screen is on "pasture 2," the starter is not on the active team and is presumably in pasture 1, and all of the levels are in the 30's. Hence, if there are new evolved starter forms, it would make sense to hide them on page 1.

Or maybe it's just another Dustox situation. :P
 
Canonically, Steel Types were discovered after 3 years playing Gen 1. So it could be likely that other regions don't know about all evolution of existing Pokemon?
Steel and Dark Pokemon will exist in the prequel... so...
 
Canonically, Steel Types were discovered after 3 years playing Gen 1. So it could be likely that other regions don't know about all evolution of existing Pokemon?
Steel and Dark Pokemon will exist in the prequel... so...

That only applies to Gen 1 Kanto though? Hoenn's story is contemporaneous with Kanto's and Steel and Dark were known at the time in Hoenn. So I don't imagine that's the case anymore.
 
Canonically that was retconned ages ago. & we've seen various steel & dark types.
It's entirely possible that the timeline that includes RGB had that happen. I would question how they managed to miss something that big, but it's possible. However, because the series runs with parallel universes, you could just easily have Legends occur in a timeline that uses FRLG or Let's Go for their Kanto storyline with Steel and Dark types existing.
 
We've seen other trade evolutions just running around Hisui.

It is funny that I said that and right before kleavor there was an Electivire on the trailer :mehowth:
I wonder how it can evolve tho. People seem to not even have basic light, how can they put electricity in a box?
 
It's entirely possible that the timeline that includes RGB had that happen. I would question how they managed to miss something that big, but it's possible. However, because the series runs with parallel universes, you could just easily have Legends occur in a timeline that uses FRLG or Let's Go for their Kanto storyline with Steel and Dark types existing.
If we seriously deep dive into the lore implications than GSC is just....dumn. Oak also "discovered" 100 new Pokemon, many of which are extremely common in their neighboring region that has had long established lore and frequent communication with Kanto. There had apparently never been an egg discovered even though there's literally a breeding center in Elm's region.

I think it's just easier to accept it as a universal retcon, honestly.
It is funny that I said that and right before kleavor there was an Electivire on the trailer :mehowth:
I wonder how it can evolve tho. People seem to not even have basic light, how can they put electricity in a box?
We can occasionally run into "natural" trade volutions even in modern games so I think the real answer is "just don't think about it". The electrizer could be handwaved any number of ways or they could just put this weird item in there and not acknowledge it. Hell the only way to get one back in DP was on wild pokemon. A Mysterious Box!
 
Something else I haven't seen being mentioned yet; Arezu, other than deriving from Ares, is an anagram of Azure. Given the Azure Flute is directly tied to Arceus, I wonder if she has a bigger role related to Arceus in this game.
 
Hey, HISUI'S people may not have the tech to put electricity in a box, but the aliens that dropped off magnemite, beldum, elgyem, etc. sure did!

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Just for fun, I made a mockup for what a level-up learnset for Kleavor might look like.
It is pretty straightforward, switching out Wing Attack, Agility and Air Slash for Rock-type moves, in the same way Scizor learns Metal Claw, Iron Defense and Iron Head instead at those levels. The levels and order are the same as Scyther/Scizor's SwSh learnsets, but I reckon they will be roughly the same in PL:A.

I can see Kleavor getting Accelerock as a parallell to Scizor's Bullet Punch, if GF are willing to let Lycanroc share it with others. Smack Down seems to fit Kleavor the best as an early level Rock-type move, at least over Rock Throw and Rock Tomb in the 50-60 base power bracket. As such, I guess the new move Stone Axe is the parallell to Scyther's Air Slash and Scizor's Iron Head. If so, then it might end up having a similar base power as those moves.

Alternatively, Stone Axe might be Kleavor's evolution move, and would not really be tied to Air Slash's and Iron Head's base power. Rock Slide might fill that role instead, considering it is a flinching move like Air Slash / Iron Head.
Part 2, TM/TR/Tutor speculation

While I doubt Pl:A will have the same TM/TR/Tutor lists as SwSh, let's just use those as reference for Kleavor's potential learnset. If nothing else, Kleavor may become available in SwSh at some point.
  • Rock moves - Rock Slide, Rock Tomb, Stone Edge and Stealth Rock are all pretty safe bets. However, Rock Blast would be the most important learnable move, at least if Kleavor keeps Technician.

  • Scizor moves - Moves that Scyther can't learn, but Scizor can, and that I see no reason why Kleavor wouldn't be able to as well. It is really just Sandstorm, Sand Tomb and Superpower, but the latter is at least relevant.

  • Other new moves - 1. Earthquake is probably the most important one for coverage. I was initially unsure if Kleavor would be able to learn it, since Scyther/Scizor can't, but then I thought "if Shuckle can learn Earthquake, then it would feel silly if Kleavor couldn't". 2. Bulldoze is another potential option, which would go nicely with Technician as well. However, I have a harder time seeing it on Kleavor than Earthquake (on the other hand, most Pokémon that can learn Earthquake also learn Bulldoze). 3. The last new potential move I'm gonna mention is Pin Missile. Like Zetalz above, I thought it would be an unlikely TM move for Kleavor. But the more I thought about it, it made me think it might be a plausible option. Unlike Scyther and Scizor, Kleavor features more sharp points in its design, that also can chip off from its body. So maybe?
I think the dream is for Stone Axe to be a rock type clone of Double Iron Bash. It has two axe hands, I could see it being a two-hit move. Axes are scary so flinching seems reasonable.

Of course the idea of giving it to a Pokémon that is probably fast and has Technician with around ~130 base attack... no way Gamefreak would ever do something as ridiculous as that.

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I looked at the trailer again, and Stone Axe didn't really look like a multi-strike move. After striking the Oshawott, Kleavor moves backward and seemingly becomes idle. Unless the trailer cut away from the subsequent strike, of course.
 
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All this talk about Kleavor's ability when evidence is pointing to abilities not existing/a different system. Technician who?
There's an implicit understanding that speculation involving Technician is about when Kleavor is able to be transferred to a more traditional Pokemon game. Same with most mechanical speculation in general, considering we have almost nothing to go on with regards to Legends' battle system.
 
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Aqua Jet is seen to be styleable in the latest trailer when it wasn't before, so it could be that it has to be unlocked per move/slot/pokemon in some way.

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Potion has been buffed to 60 HP to keep up with the higher HP trend. Drifblim has got people noticing that all stats seem to be higher all around so I figured I would show every stat we've seen so far, which is mostly just HP again but the latest news brings up a few more level variations.
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112 HP Level 15 Rowlet (base 68)
103 HP Level 12 Rowlet

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62 HP Level 13 Cyndaquil (base 39)
56 HP level 10 Cyndaquil
61 HP level 10 Cyndaquil

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97 HP Level 16 Oshawott (base 55)
87 HP Level 12 Oshawott
106 HP Level 16 Oshawott


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194 HP Level 59 Lucario (base 70)
203 HP Level 60 Lucario
196 HP Level 60 Lucario
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87 HP Level 28 Vulpix (38 base)
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223 HP Level 45 Rhydon (105 base)
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231 HP Level 60 Crobat (85 base)



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110 HP Level 16 Lopunny (65 base)

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269 HP Level 57 Mamoswine (110 base)

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252/100/69/111/72/107 Level 32 Drifblim (150/80/44/90/54/80)
Not sure what the numbers beside mean, but the symbol kind of looks like a fist and by a wild guess I'd say it's counting up to 10.
I am wondering if they rescaled the stats to a smaller set of levels? Like is level 50 the new 100? In past games they have hardly used levels 75 - 100 on NPCs except Red and maybe a couple others so maybe they are changing it up.

Whoever knows how to do the stat calculations: can you check against if the Pokémon's level is doubled? Or perhaps 1.5 or 1.33?
 
[*]Rock moves - Rock Slide, Rock Tomb, Stone Edge and Stealth Rock are all pretty safe bets. However, Rock Blast would be the most important learnable move, at least if Kleavor keeps Technician.

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I looked at the trailer again, and Stone Axe didn't really look like a multi-strike move. After striking the Oshawott, Kleavor moves backward and seemingly becomes idle. Unless the trailer cut away from the subsequent strike, of course.

I'm not there with you on Stealth Rock. The game is single-player, and trainer battles are confirmed to be a rarity. What would be the purpose of entry hazards in a world where 99% of battles are against a solitary wild Pokémon with no possibility of a switch? And Heavy-Duty Boots won't be there to save us? Stealth Rock might happen for Kleavor eventually, but I doubt it will be included in PLA.

That said, I am with you on Stone Axe being a single-hit move. As much as I'd like it to be a Dual Chop clone reaping that sweet, sweet Technician boost when Kleavor hits the main series, it's almost certainly intended to function in a vacuum. A likely BP is somewhere in the 80-100 range, placing it above Rock Slide but below or equal to the sacred crapshoot that is Stone Edge. If it lacks a secondary effect (-1 Def is a popular one these days), it could go even higher. Personally, I just want its accuracy to be at least 90%.
 
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Seeing all this moveset discussion made me realize something. We don't even know if TMs and TRs will be present at all in these games. In most games TMs/TRs have been portrayed as technological in nature, usually taking the form of a floppy disk. And of course, this game takes place in the past. It's perfectly resonable to assume that TMs haven't been invented yet and as such, they are completely unavailable within the game. Move tutors could still return though since those are just taught by other people.

...then again, this is the same game with the fucking god phone, so who knows :blobshrug:
 
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