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Neither of these pokemon are random imo. Ampharos is probably the gen 2 icon, pretty popular, and the mareep line is one of the common cash cows of gen 2. Audino featured in the anime and actually had a decent fanbase in Japan.

You want to give me a good example of random pokemon getting love? Alolan exeggutor. This line has never had revelance in the 20 years of its existance, other than appearing in one or two psychic teams, which still isn't that big, had no merch, and I don't think even gen 1 fans cared much about the guy.

And then it got a regional form, a dragon type, and not only did it get featured a lot more often in places, it's probably remembered much more. Also helps alolan eggxecutor was very memeable due to its size.
Isn't Exeggutor notable as the strong gen 1 grass type that isn't venusaur? It shows up in both the champion and unused Oak fights when that slot isn't used by venusaur (interestingly, the other two variable slots in the champion fight are also two-stage lines, with Arcanine also evolving by stone), as well as the "gen 1 all-stars" part of Greevil's team. Heck, every other grass type in gen 1 caps out at 100 special, 25 points below exeggutor's.

Edit: given Alola forms were only gen 1 mons, something designed to be strong but has since fallen hard would seem like an easy pick for an update. Fellow gen 1 competitive veteran Tauros didn't get a new form but was nonetheless heavily emphasized in Alola.
 
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Neither of these pokemon are random imo. Ampharos is probably the gen 2 icon, pretty popular, and the mareep line is one of the common cash cows of gen 2. Audino featured in the anime and actually had a decent fanbase in Japan.

You want to give me a good example of random pokemon getting love? Alolan exeggutor. This line has never had revelance in the 20 years of its existance, other than appearing in one or two psychic teams, which still isn't that big, had no merch, and I don't think even gen 1 fans cared much about the guy.

And then it got a regional form, a dragon type, and not only did it get featured a lot more often in places, it's probably remembered much more. Also helps alolan eggxecutor was very memeable due to its size.
Ampharos is a random mon as far as generic fanbase is concerned, which is determined mainly by power.

I wouldn't say Audino fares with the likes of Charizard, Mewtwo or Alakazam, just because it's a remarkable Pokémon in BW that appears in almost every route as a fixed form of grinding exp. Also, Mega-Evolution, which is the thing you are talking about in the first paragraph quoting mine, had a clear interest in bringing back old fans from the franchie appealing to their feelings towards nostalgic mons. And let me tell you, no one gives a shit about Audino in the grand scale of things.

Also, the point of the post wasn't just adressing 2 mons (i mentioned 4 or 5, in fact), but the fact that there are several Pokémon which, while not being necessarily forgotten, they are not the pinacle of the mainstream, and surely less recognizable than things like Dragonite (which is surely, and I mean surely, more iconic than Manectric, having this one received more benefits).

Now, if we are playing the game of no Pokémon that exists is "random" with an argument based on arbitrary criteria, then of course no one is random, since Pokémon is the second best selling franchise in videogame history and mons like Exeggutor are also not random due to their prominency in 1st Gen meta.

Isn't Exeggutor notable as the strong gen 1 grass type that isn't venusaur? It shows up in both the champion and unused Oak fights when that slot isn't used by venusaur (interestingly, the other two variable slots in the champion fight are also two-stage lines, with Arcanine also evolving by stone), as well as the "gen 1 all-stars" part of Greevil's team. Heck, every other grass type in gen 1 caps out at 100 special, 25 points below exeggutor's.
This is exactly what I'm talking about. Random criteria can get you anywhere, and I am able to justify the importance of any Pokémon you can think of basing the argument in everything I know about mons, be it competitive, ingame lore, ingame design (like Audino and their impact in the level curve). The truth is, half of the Pokémon who did receive alternative forms or megas weren't as famous as others who at this point in time havent received anything yet. And compared to those mons, yes, something like Stunfisk, Audino or Ampharos is completely random (like Zoroark or Dnite).
 

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I feel like a lot of the time regionals just come down to whether they make sense for the mon/region or not (Specially with Alola's. Galar dropped the ball a bit in terms of mon/region logic for the forms but is picking it back up).

Eggymans is a palm tree, and all the way back in Gen 3 there's a dex entry talking about how it originates from the tropics and grows taller if there's more sun exposure. They took that bit of lore and applied it to the tropical region when making it - Exeggutor's popularitydoesn't matter here because the connection is made out of it making sense lorewise

Likewise Basculegion takes Basculin's inspirations from diverse Freshwater fish and improves on it by making a reference to the fact real frshwater fish often have to swim upstream to reproduce. Not only that but the souls that possess Basculegion are very hostile and brutal, which is built upon by Basculin's feral nature.


What I'm trying to say is, with Regional Variants and the recent evolutions, I don't think the original mon's popularity is what they're worried about. They're taking a more logical route to which pokémon would make sense to get a new form or new evolution in that region and at that time/how they fit into the region's culture and whatnot. Sure popularity might have a slight bit of influence but I think they're much more concerned about executing ideas that make sense lorewise and can improve mons that need a boost or a rework. You cannot convince me that popularity is a big factor when one of the mons most featured for these new evos is Stantler of all things.
 
Any given regional form is probably a split or mix between "maybe we could do something with this known pokemon" and "hey here's an idea" and a little "we want to fill this niche"

Maybe we could do something with this known Pokemon: Raichu, we can make it surf on its tail!
Hey here's an idea: What if Diglett had hair.
We want to fill a niche: We need ice types, what if we turned another pokemon into ice.
Option 1 + 3: Meowth is popular, and we need more dark types
Option 2 + 3: What if stunfisk was a bear trap + we could use a new "trap" pokemon.

and so on and so forth. I'd say the regional forms and evolutions we've had have honestly been an eclectic mix, to their benefit.
 
You want to give me a good example of random pokemon getting love? Alolan exeggutor. This line has never had revelance in the 20 years of its existance, other than appearing in one or two psychic teams, which still isn't that big, had no merch, and I don't think even gen 1 fans cared much about the guy.
Pretty sure Exeggutor was one of best Pokémon in Gen 1 thanks to Psychic and Sleep Powder. And Wolfe Glick used it to place 2nd at VGC 12 Worldchampionships. Maybe it’s not top tier like Garchomp, but it has had a pretty decent competitive history, it’s not bad and forgettable like Stantler and Persian.
 
Maybe it’s not top tier like Garchomp, but it has had a pretty decent competitive history,
Don't know why people are replying to me with competitive stats, I was speaking only on design and influence in the franchise itself (merch, appearances, etc) since I don't think competitive status matters too much for regional formes. I know Exeggutor had decent appearances in some gens and is a good mon in gen 1, but it seems irrelevant to me.
 

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Perhaps an ambush predator that uses a doll or some other deception to entice prey? What if our researcher misinterpreted what he was seeing?
Except the researcher explicitly describes the... let's say 'first entity' as "coming this way", which a doll or other static trap could not do (and if it did, I don't think it could be called 'cute', unless he's secretly Phoebe's ancestor or something).
Don't get me wrong, I'd appreciate a Hisuian Mawile, but I don't think that theory is going anywhere.
watch as I get proven wrong next week or something
 
I saw a rumor about a "trustable" leaker that
told legends will have:
-7 new pokemons
- 17 new regional forms
- New starters evo (Grass/Fighting, Fire/Ghost, Water/Dark)
- No DLCs

Again, just another rumor from the depths of internet that we don't know if its trustable.
 

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I saw a rumor about a "trustable" leaker that
told legends will have:
-7 new pokemons
- 17 new regional forms
- New starters evo (Grass/Fighting, Fire/Ghost, Water/Dark)
- No DLCs

Again, just another rumor from the depths of internet that we don't know if its trustable.
What makes me doubt this more than being a random anonymous guy is saying the plural of Pokemon as Pokemons.
 
Yes, i know it is not trustable and even I doubt it. I said it on the post. :mehowth:
Also, the post was in portuguese, I translated it and I wrote "pokemons".

I'll search history for printing, but honestly... I think it does not worth the effort for random guy in a random brazilian forum saying that a "trustable" sorce said....

I was hoping someone also know something about this """leak""".
 

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I saw a rumor about a "trustable" leaker that
told legends will have:
-7 new pokemons
- 17 new regional forms
- New starters evo (Grass/Fighting, Fire/Ghost, Water/Dark)
- No DLCs

Again, just another rumor from the depths of internet that we don't know if its trustable.
The alleged starter typings they listed have me in doubt. Two of them are already used by Chesnaught and Greninja, and Decidueye and Samurott are nothing like them, not to mention they rarely reuse type combos for starters outside of the infamous Fire/Fighting trio. Even Fire/Ghost is pushing it because that's not a type combo I see Typhlosion having and in general these type combos would make the Hisui starters way too similar to the Kalos starters, and the original final forms don't give off Chesnaught/Delphox/Greninja vibes to begin with so I have a hard time imagining them in that style.

I don't deny the possibility that the Hisui starters will have new forms or evos, but not with those typings imo.
 
So I pumped up the contrast of a few frames in Photoshop just to see if there's anything behind the Blair Witch filter (I was bored, okay?), and I think there might be:



That blob on the right seems to be a shadow and loosely follows his narration.



And now my computer's fucking haunted, thanks GF.

this part of the image reminds me of this fakemon

(taken from the hack titled Pokemon Sage)
 
I feel like any leak that gives Oshawott a new evo with fighting secondary type, you have to be even more skeptical of it. Feels like one of those types of people who make up leaks add to seem more credible because everyone else sees it and goes "seems legit! it should have been fighting from the start!"
 
Don't know why people are replying to me with competitive stats, I was speaking only on design and influence in the franchise itself (merch, appearances, etc) since I don't think competitive status matters too much for regional formes. I know Exeggutor had decent appearances in some gens and is a good mon in gen 1, but it seems irrelevant to me.
I'm just trying to say that Exeggcutor isn't as bad as a Pokémon as you make it out to be. And for the record, Exeggcutor does indeed have influence on the franchise that isn't competitive based, its Ishihara's ( President of TPC ) favorite Pokémon. I wouldn’t be surprised if that was a big factor for Alolan Exeggutor being heavily marketed as the face of regional forms.
 
Little hard to trust anything about this when there's no source attached, ngl
This 'leak' came from this twitter account, or at least they seem to have popularized it. But, the account also claims the leaked climber mon is a Sneasel evo, which... x to doubt for me.

This twitter account is making similar claims and has retweeted a few of the above account's tweets; the name sounds familiar but I don't remember if they have claimed to have inside info in previous reveal cycles or if there is any evidence to back up any such claims.

I guess if Cyndaquil3-H did turn out to be fire/ghost it would be likely that I would finally choose another fire starter. Blaziken is the only fire starter I went with in a non-remake/playthrough of a second version.
 
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If I had to guess new typings for the starters:

H-Decidueye: Grass/Flying (it's no longer extinct)
H-Samurott: Water/Fighting (this should've been its original typing)
H-Typhlosion: Fire/Ground (he's a volcano)
One thing to keep in mind with all speculation (and not just you, everyone, including me, in this thread) is that this is Pokemon. Remember Gyarados? The mon that's based on a Chinese dragon, a specific legend about a dragon? It's name in multiple languages is Carp Dragon, it's in the Dragon egg group, learns Dragon type moves by level-up, and is used by Dragon specialists in-game? The one that everyone since Gen 1 has said was obviously only Water/Flying for balance reasons and should really be Water/Dragon. And then they gave it a new typing in gen VI and it's Water/Dark. You can't expect logical options to pan out.
 

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Kind of an old comment I am replying to but I swear it ties in to the recent video:

Before I elaborate, we first gotta discuss an INCREDIBLY cool detail about one of the other reveals my buddy ol' chum Hematite discovered.
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So we're all familiar with Basculegion's background, right? The whole "absorbing the souls of other dead Basculin" shtick? Well, keeping that in mind, I want you to take a look at this folktale from one of the books in Canalave Library in DPPt and see if it sounds familiar.

"Sinnoh Folk Story 1"
Pick clean the bones of Pokémon caught in the sea or stream.
Thank them for the meals they provide, and pick their bones clean.
When the bones are as clean as can be, set them free in the water from which they came.
The Pokémon will return, fully fleshed, and it begins anew.


Oh yeah baby, Basculegion isn't just your average badass evolution for an old mon. It's a badass evolution for an old mon directly based on an obscure lore tidbit in the original Sinnoh titles! I could gush over how this propels an already great design and displays inhuman attention to detail but honestly it kinda speaks for itself.
So this implis one of the new mons is based off of one of the Sinnoh Folk Tales

And building onto that:

With that out of the way, let's take a look at another story from the very same book the above comes from...

"Sinnoh Folk Story 2"
There lived a Pokémon in a forest.
In the forest, the Pokémon shed its hide to sleep as a human.
Awakened, the human dons the Pokémon hide to roam villages.
So this is the tale about a Pokémon that could take on a human form. Zoroark in its debut event appeared by disguising itself as an NPC (As well as Zorua inalola posing as children in the Trainer School and the very popular theory that N is a Zoroark). If the Zoroark speculation is correct and the pokémon in the video is indeed a Zoroark, that'd make for 2 new Pokémon that are directly building upon existing lore by tying it into lore about other already-existing pokémon, and to me that is absolutely one of the best possible ways they could have added new mons to Hisui.

This also leaves us with the third folktale which admitedly is a lot vaguer:

There once were Pokémon that became very close to humans.
There once were humans and Pokémon that ate together at the same table.
It was a time when there existed no differences to distinguish the two.
 

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