NOC Bigvivor Mafia Game Thread Day 5

Hi I'm drunk;

Hal dying honestly is surprising to me, my prior analysis about him putting us in a situation where wolves should never kill him bc we get kinda forced to policy him later in the game was legitimate while at the same time should have meant he stayed for a couple days longer than this. so that sucks
 
Spiderz said:
I'll post my reads in a sec but anyways a large part of my playstyle esp day one is trying to hammer down on things that are wrong rather than scum indicative in order to get reactions from the said person because wrong=/=scum but the way they respond to that pressure is telling to me, I don't know why M2H was so willing to TR me and dismiss my points, I still think his townread on you was stupid and like actually scummy, but he isn't my top scumread because while he neglected to talk about most things I pressured him on, he did seem focused on moving discussion forward from after. Usually when people take the position of "this player is town but is wrong" and dismissed everything I say abt them I find it more scum indicative but idt he really took the position that I was wrong and was more like "lets move on already" which I have mixed feelings on??? Overall he's a scumlean for me but read is still developing and there is more I want to say but I don't want him to change his behavior based on what I am going to say if that makes sense
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Interesting. When I originally read the interaction, I thought it was a difference in playstyles and that M2H actually responded well to the pressure. I have them down as a town lean, but I did notice a few things so it'd be interesting if we've mind melded on that.
 
I'm ok with Dyo dying but don't wanna just jump on that hardcore atm it's early in the day

Drookez said:
so i spent the night trying to glimpse through what happened and this post just like rang my alarm bell? Idk personally this sounds really scummy and idk why ill probably give better reasoning when im less sleepy. Also i see that we already have a dyo wagon??? Not sure if related to this or what but that’s my thought from reading over night
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Hey cool person Drookez!! Since you missed Day 1 I think a reads list from you would be really cool :D
 
CaffeineBoost said:
Agree massively on the 2nd point, though I don't get what you mean by people being unkillable.

I think the possibility of a vig is still open, given that at least one town member can suggest a player to kill. Perhaps the vigilante is the one who's stuck with whomever is on the list? I also wouldn't put it past Dusk entirely to give us info roles when there's a results stealer. Hal's flip is perhaps proof of this.

I meant more what you could gather from HH's flip as far as your stance on other people go though.
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What do you mean? The specific wording is "if no player has the ability to kill the targeted players then they will inherit a kill in order of priority" which implies that if the players just cannot be killed outright and/or killed through protection then they'll get the ability to.

As far as my stance on other people, ehhh. I don't think anything changes too much for me as far as targets go atm.
 
Celever said:
Hi I'm drunk;

Hal dying honestly is surprising to me, my prior analysis about him putting us in a situation where wolves should never kill him bc we get kinda forced to policy him later in the game was legitimate while at the same time should have meant he stayed for a couple days longer than this. so that sucks
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i dont think scum wants to deal with town!apricity village leader-ing even if he's wrong once
 
shadowpea said:
um reads

i originally thought clouds is soft scum and while looking back at their messages and other people's thoughts im not super strong on that thought anymore i still feel uneasy about them.

celever m2h and nuxl/eli? looks like town here and i think everyone agrees on this one lol. psy is also town imo.

not sure what to think about whydon, caff, vizh, slight townlean for spiderz and dyo but otherwise idk.

biggest srs right now are del and texas for not really contributing even when they are around, laurel (they said theyd try starting d2 tho lets see it).

also scumlean for dave/antemortem (sorry if i mess this up at some point lol), this is definately one id have to go back and look as msgs for later but a glance gives me a gut feeling that theyre maf. and uncleyeti for pretty much the reasons others said

im not afraid of anything haruno did yet so hes not village? lol
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Da Letter El said:
i dont think scum wants to deal with town!apricity village leader-ing even if he's wrong once
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this is valid but places one vet who has experienced hal's stated town leadering in the past as scum. It's not a relevant shortlist, but applies to this rationale. Bc if scum is only people who haven't played with townGOAT hal then they do not take this shot
 
Drookez said:
so i spent the night trying to glimpse through what happened and this post just like rang my alarm bell? Idk personally this sounds really scummy and idk why ill probably give better reasoning when im less sleepy. Also i see that we already have a dyo wagon??? Not sure if related to this or what but that’s my thought from reading over night
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I think this is the only time I've ever seen Drookez post content.

As you read through the thread, did anything else catch your eye?
 
Haruno said:
What do you mean? The specific wording is "if no player has the ability to kill the targeted players then they will inherit a kill in order of priority" which implies that if the players just cannot be killed outright and/or killed through protection then they'll get the ability to.

As far as my stance on other people, ehhh. I don't think anything changes too much for me as far as targets go atm.
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I think that what it actually means is that one or more players have the ability to kill people on the list and if they all die, the next in line gets that ability.

Remind me who your "targets" are again?
 
Celever said:
this is valid but places one vet who has experienced hal's stated town leadering in the past as scum. It's not a relevant shortlist, but applies to this rationale. Bc if scum is only people who haven't played with townGOAT hal then they do not take this shot
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i don't necessarily agree with this logic but agree that there exists at least one scum who has played with hal because i think dusk wouldn't have let scum team be entirely new players. this is also by definition not a "short" list as i think more than half the PL applies here

regardless, arguing over how scum should have felt or not felt is irrelevant. clearly they felt like killing apricity and not having to deal with him, as apricity is dead

or we have a griefing vigilante and a goated doctor
 
Da Letter El said:
i don't necessarily agree with this logic but agree that there exists at least one scum who has played with hal because i think dusk wouldn't have let scum team be entirely new players. this is also by definition not a "short" list as i think more than half the PL applies here

regardless, arguing over how scum should have felt or not felt is irrelevant. clearly they felt like killing apricity and not having to deal with him, as apricity is dead

or we have a griefing vigilante and a goated doctor
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I agree that ultimately it's prob irrelevant but would stress that newbie players 99% assume hal gets voted out today bc he directly pushed a bad push yesterday. It's not correct logic but it's what most new players think in their first maf game

Tommy also already confirmed roles are totally random (as they should be in a newbie-friendly game)
 
CaffeineBoost said:
I think that what it actually means is that one or more players have the ability to kill people on the list and if they all die, the next in line gets that ability.

Remind me who your "targets" are again?
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So if all the player(s) that get given the suggestion are dead, then the suggested player gets to be a vig? That doesn't sound right to me.

DLE was the person I suspected of being mafia.
 
Also yea gonna repeat that Hal read Haruno as scum on the way out the door, his biggest scumread unrelated to Hydro's unfortunately misread flip. This day is currently Haruno/Dyo lynch and I'm straight up gonna

VOTE Haruno

And fly the flag for dead king hal
 
Haruno said:
So if all the player(s) that get given the suggestion are dead, then the suggested player gets to be a vig? That doesn't sound right to me.

DLE was the person I suspected of being mafia.
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No, as in HH's role had a priority number of (2), so if all the players who could kill died and (1) also died, then HH would get the ability to kill... is my speculation at least.

Do you have anyone in a towncore?
 
Celever said:
Also yea gonna repeat that Hal read Haruno as scum on the way out the door, his biggest scumread unrelated to Hydro's unfortunately misread flip. This day is currently Haruno/Dyo lynch and I'm straight up gonna

VOTE Haruno

And fly the flag for dead king hal
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If memory serves, he also scumread UncleSam and Texas, emphasising that (if he was right about HH) then UncleSam would be next out.
He did back down a little bit on US and also had a softer read on DLE.
 
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