SPOILERS! Pokemon Legends: Arceus *Leak Thread*

ScraftyIsTheBest said:
Very sad that Garchomp does not get a new physical Ground STAB however, especially in the absence of both Dig and Earthquake. No High Horsepower or Headlong Rush? Sad. It's stuck with either the weak Bulldoze or using Earth Power coming off its lower (and relatively middling) Special Attack, unless it learns High Horsepower through other means. Even Hippowdon is capable of learning High Horsepower naturally, and same with Rhyperior and Mamoswine, why didn't they do the same with Garchomp?

Oh wait...Gliscor doesn't have a good Ground STAB in this game at all dammit. I seriously do hope High Horsepower is tutorable in some form because Gliscor and Garchomp really need it with both EQ and Dig gone.
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The problem with the move is that it doesn't fit them.

The move (which again has nothing to do with horses or kicking and is a reference to actual horsepower) would basically imply the pokemon to ram into the enemy with all their weight, and is thus learned mostly by massive and heavy pokemon and well, horses cause of the pun. (and obviously, their pre-evos)
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Unfortunately this isn't something that would remotely fit with Gligar/Gliscor, who barely weight 42 kg and are pretty slim and agile enough to float, so aren't exactly ramming into anyone.
Garchomp is a more interesting case since it's definitely massive and heavy enough to use the move, however I assume the reason for it not learning it is that it's described as an agile and fast pokemon (tecnically fast enough to be capable of flying at mach speed) so I think it doesn't get it because of it not thematically fitting. (Ironically I think it'd fit *mega* garchomp very well).

So I'm afraid as far as this specific game goes, they are kinda stuck with not having a proper ground stab.

The good news is, since this game has no PvP, most likely this doesn't matter and the game will be a joke to beat anyway cause it's Pokemon.
 
bronzemummy said:
Keep in mind the pastebin isn't complete yet.

I've seen some Alpha Pokemon pull out moves I don't see on this list like Rapidash with Swift, High Horsepower and Giga Impact.

though i wouldn't rule out the possibility alpha pokemon can learn moves that regular forms can't
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It wouldn't surprise me if Alpha pokemon got unique moves or "most likely" move tutor moves. We'll have to wait and see.
 
So if some are speculating that Wave Crash will get increased priority in a mainline game in which case would Esper Wing work similarly? And a powerful priority does seem like something that could work very well for H-Braviary.
 
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Headlong Rush is a Ground-type move for Torterra and Ursaluna eh? I thought that move had Normal-typing written all over it. It's not like Normal-types have been lacking a strong reliable ace move after Return was purged. In any case, the trend in physical contact "tackling" sorts of Ground moves continues. Both High Horsepower and Stomping Tantrum fall into that category. Definitely waters down the typing's theme of generally not making contact. And what do these moves have to do with the Ground, you ask? We may never know.

Lucky-Luke said:
Does Ursaring have any new moves?
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High Horsepower is new to it. Although, it could already learn Earthquake in the main series, so...
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Something I noticed on the pastebin is that heracross can now learn arm thrust. If the move gets a base power boost and heracross gets access to its mega again it will finally have access to a fighting stab that can take advantage of skill link. just something i found interesting
 
Flamestorm7 said:
So if some are speculating that Wave Crash will get increased priority in a mainline game in which case would Esper Wing work similarly. And a powerful priority does seem like something that could work very well for H-Braviary.
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That would also make it the third special priority move after Vacuum Wave and Water Shuriken, which is pretty neat.

It's also I think the second time a move of a different type has been weirdly specific to Flying-types, after Steel Wing.

SuperiorTroodon said:
Something I noticed on the pastebin is that heracross can now learn arm thrust. If the move gets a base power boost and heracross gets access to its mega again it will finally have access to a fighting stab that can take advantage of skill link. just something i found interesting
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Heracross has had access to Arm Thrust (as well as all its other multi-hit moves not named Fury Attack) since Gen 6. It's just that Skill Link Arm Thrust has a base power of 75, so nobody ever used it over Close Combat.
 
Mario With Lasers said:
Unrelated to the current discussion, but does anyone else have a problem with Enamorus's design? I kinda dig it, but at the same time I find it incredibly cliche that Game Freak went for a pink female-only Fairy-type that's related to the power of love. If literally any of those elements were different (red fairy, pink male, Dark-type powered by love etc), I'd like it a lot more.
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Do we know for sure it’s female only??
 
it'll be interesting to see what additional moves these mons get when they go over to the main series games, if any, but Kleavor getting CC and SR is really quite nice

shame Overqwil doesn't get any physical Dark moves but since base Qwilfish gets options (Throat Chop, Assurance) in the mainline games, maybe they'll have H-Qwilfish have the same, which would be a godsend
 
Dece1t said:
Eelektross has entered the chat.
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First he needs to enter [current generation]. Then we'll talk.

GeneralNameless said:
In any case, the trend in physical contact "tackling" sorts of Ground moves continues. Both High Horsepower and Stomping Tantrum fall into that category. Definitely waters down the typing's theme of generally not making contact. And what do these moves have to do with the Ground, you ask? We may never know.
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I, for one, welcome the addition of Ground tackles. They give the type some variety it had long been lacking. There's only so many ways you can turn "shake ground" into an attack, and nothing is ever going to unseat Earthquake's supremacy anyway. Those moves' connection with elemental Ground may be limited to trampling the opponent into the stuff, but it's still more exciting to watch heavy Pokémon get physical than just wobble some dirt in the opponent's face. Yes, I am calling out the awful EQ animations of Gens 6-8.

Doodleman999 said:
Tutor moves have arrived https://pastebin.com/BU9809Pq
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No Tri Attack for Hisuian Zoroark. Sad.
No Crunch for Overqwil. Also sad.
It's not the end of the world for these two, but they probably don't outclass their competition in this state.
 
Ah so Steel Beam is indeed a tutor exclusive move again in the same vein of Draco Meteor.

Though that does raise the question: do all of these tutors have just one NPC or will they all have different NPCs who tutor different moves? Steel Beam in particular seems like it would have a dedicated NPC to tutor Steel Beam specifically to every Steel-type specifically given its likeness to Draco Meteor, which was a special tutor move taught by a special NPC in DPP and became a recurring special tutor move in every mainline game since, and it seems likely that Steel Beam would follow suit. And I would assume it's either a late game tutor or a post-game tutor given how ridiculously strong it is BP wise. Since it was a specific tutor move from a special NPC in its debut, I do wonder if it will end up like Draco Meteor and continue to be a recurring special move tutor from a special NPC in subsequent games going forward.

Maybe the other tutor moves will be scattered all around Hisui like in FRLG and Emerald?
 
ScraftyIsTheBest said:
Ah so Steel Beam is indeed a tutor exclusive move again in the same vein of Draco Meteor.

Though that does raise the question: do all of these tutors have just one NPC or will they all have different NPCs who tutor different moves? Steel Beam in particular seems like it would have a dedicated NPC to tutor Steel Beam specifically to every Steel-type specifically given its likeness to Draco Meteor, which was a special tutor move taught by a special NPC in DPP and became a recurring special tutor move in every mainline game since, and it seems likely that Steel Beam would follow suit. And I would assume it's either a late game tutor or a post-game tutor given how ridiculously strong it is BP wise. Since it was a specific tutor move from a special NPC in its debut, I do wonder if it will end up like Draco Meteor and continue to be a recurring special move tutor from a special NPC in subsequent games going forward.

Maybe the other tutor moves will be scattered all around Hisui like in FRLG and Emerald?
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One NPC, but more moves become available as you progress through the game.
 
So Gallade not only gets CC nerfed, but also gains literally nothing in his debut gen and "loses" night slash since the move doesn't exist. No stat buffs either.
Gardevoir on the other hand has received mystical fire, aura sphere, recover, ice beam in the span of a gen and half, while pretty much every other Sinnoh mon gets meaningful buffs and additions to their movepools despite Gallade being competitively worse than most of them.
Jeez GF what has the poor guy done to you, get your shit together and make him better for Arceus' sake.
 
So Basculegion at least got Aqua Tail, and Hisui Braviary got Psychic(and Dazzling Gleam is interesting i suppose, and mystical fire will hold it over until it comes to the main games to get Heat Wave as a Rufflet), but Overqwil did not get a physical Dark move, so that'll have to wait a bit.

Gliscor's STAB options are limited to Bulldoze and Aerial Ace.

Dusknoir has Shadow Sneak as its strongest Physical Ghost move.

Enamorous doesn't get a single Flying Type attack, as expected tbh, but at least its special coverage go kinda crazy, Moonblast, Earth Power, Sludge Bomb, Psychic, Mystical Fire. Kinda unfortunate it doesn't get Hammer Arm or Superpower*

I was surprised that Hisui Lilligant got Drain Punch by lv up even, since it doesn't look like it can punch, and it also gets Aerial Ace and Poison Jab now, so its nice it has some coverage.

Poor Decidueye. No Close Combat, not even Drain Punch. Gets 4 Fighting moves total, those being Rock Smash, Bulk Up, Aura Sphere, and Triple Arrows. Someone must really hate owls.

*EDIT : Oh i forgot, neither Superpower OR Hammer Arm are in the game so uuuh, guess we gotta wait till she comes to a mainline game to see if she'll get them.
 
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