NOC Bigvivor Mafia Game Thread Day 5

[Celever]

Anyway here's what I wanted to look at and I'm caught up

Boys girls and enbies, for my performance tonight I will be ISOing Laurel, more specifically who he has bothered to talk about or mention at all:

Quotes in Question

Eli you seem to be extra trying?

Someone name a more iconic duo than CaffBo and being scumread

M2H who is scum this game

Texas Cloverleaf hi

good call
vote clouds

Mafia: Clouds
Idk: everyone else
Town: Laurel

(ill try more later but have 55 pages to read)

just need time to read so i can help and formulate my own opinions.

Whydon do you have beef with dyo?

Clouds can you help me catch up here. who was actually pushing me?

i was going to push a guilty on you and troll but you made a post a few pages ago that i really like so i’m going to pin you as town for now

i think realiti can be scum here and is just vibinf off whydon but i’m p sure haruno town, m2h town, caffbo town.

I have a good feeling that between unclesam / texas / and dle, at least one is scum.

This is what caffbo does

realiti outside of saying you would try more if you were mafia which is exactly what I said >.<

In the limited reading I did I did think Texas was scum this game. I mean if he isn’t DLE is so :shrug:

my personality is sudden spurts of caring and then remembering i’m a shit town role and not caring. hopefully that gives eli some resolve.

im just curious why eli is just questioning people and not formulating his own opinions.

did you see my post on why celever scum slipped by voting me instead of texas? I called him out and he instantly changed.

He basically said that i slipped and called texas mafia rolecop but then voted me…. Was super weird so i do agree with unclesam that i see these two as a pair. That doesn’t mean sam isn’t mafia -i doubt it if texas/celever both are.

Remember when I said that 2/3 of texas, sam, and dle are scum. Lol

I have a suspicion that the mafia is heavily a combination of experienced players. bleh

Like nuxl/texas/celever/sam all mafia

i wish i could see texas flip.. would give me a very good

i also don’t have good vibes from shadowpea

I mean maybe texas is town and that spot is just DLE and celever is buddying a town texas for town cred?

then mafia is like nuxl/celever/sam/shadowpea

i think there is a realm where eli is scum. i have better feelings on others.

i read m2h originally as town but his whole interaction saying you had to did turned me off a lot. like he wanted you targeted i dont know

Uhhh ok. So let’s be clear if clouds is maf m2h is maf.

anyways

vote celever

we hammer this or sam today.

agreed im actually very sus of dyo now

Good work Spiderz

Final tally:
Town Read:
Haruno I
M2H I
Caff II
Clouds I

Scum Read:
Eli IIII
realiti II
Sam IIII
Texas IIII
DLE IIII
Cel III
shadowpea I
M2H I
Dyo I

Note the absolute lack of progression. M2H had an early tr and a late sr and they are literally the only person to appear in both lists, and only once. Eli was shaded from the start of D1 and that has continued. Caff and Clouds were towny in RVS in their view and still are just town, when they've had a v rocky path through this game with a lot of town and scum cred at various points. He threw one Haruno tr and now Haruno is dead. Beyond that, Laurel has only scumread, basically saying no one is town.

realiti seemed to be a top scumread and now he's completely dropped that. Not saying he changed his mind, just ignoring his existence

Almost all of his reads involve more active players and he's never commented on others. shadowpea he scumread toward EoD2 but that's it and he didn't provide reasoning, and Dyo he only scumread through Spiderz.

Speaking of, Spiderz is by far and away one of the most active players this game and he was just, never mentioned or read by Laurel? Which is weird considering Laurel's complete focus on active players.

Laurel's brought up DLE as a scumread frequently with basically no reasoning, and DLE has literally not been here so what's up with that

For posterity:
Never mentioned:
Ayia
Dave
Drookez
Psy
Ryo
Vizh

Whydon has been interacted with but totally NAI-ly

This is not a player trying to solve this game. And for posterity this ISO revealed something interesting af. Remember when I referenced that someone said Haruno should be killed tonight bc of 3p potentiality and sorta just assumed that was me? Acc no, it was Laurel:

Im pretty sure than haruno and texas wouldn’t do this shit as mafia buddies. they might be a 3p but def not scum together.

regardless since they can be 3p one of them needs to die tonight or maf risks losing

Vote Laurel

Paranoid maf scared of 3p win taking out Haruno theory tick

I understand the timing of this is OMGUS but imma be real I think this is consistent with prior reads. Laurel has sucked since gamestart

And me typing that sentence has just made me realise it's even weirder that Laurel has never responded to Spiderz really. Spiderz has said Laurel has been scummy more than anyone else and there was never an exchange? Honestly if Laurel is scum it implicates Spiderz a fair bit, which hurts me to say bc Spiderz has been great this game I'm a huge fan of his work

 

[Celever]

Nuxl hi town bestie <33 can you give thoughts on above case?

And Spiderz for obvious reasons

 

[Celever]

Honestly CaffeineBoost give thoughts too I think Laurel tried to pocket you

(Also literally everyone else give thoughts but I'm most interested in these 3 I think)

 

[Texas Cloverleaf]

Hello just got to the train station am exhausted had a great weekend what did I miss

 

[Texas Cloverleaf]

oh yeah Vote M2H

 

[Texas Cloverleaf]

why is clouds saying that he's clearing drookez and himself?

 

[Celever]

Hello just got to the train station am exhausted had a great weekend what did I miss

You basically missed Drookez prob giving Clouds a gift (something that makes Clouds think Drookez is town but we don't know), Dyo claiming role cop and confing it by posting Clouds' role, and uhh that's kind of it?

Limited utility discussion. I left and the thread did not move past where I'd left it and that's sus to me

 

[Texas Cloverleaf]

waiting for my dear texy

hey bb what u need

 

[Texas Cloverleaf]

Celever i saw something when i was trying to catch up at 5 am about some nka about the playerlist split can you summarize for me

 

[Texas Cloverleaf]

also dyo scum is a thing apparently?

 

[Celever]

Celever i saw something when i was trying to catch up at 5 am about some nka about the playerlist split can you summarize for me

If you're referring to my wall it was rlly bad ignore it

Everyone has assumed the kill performer has to be in tribe a due to being with Haruno. But the discussion surround it was largely unconducive outside of Sam's takes imo

 

[Texas Cloverleaf]

also cel please explain your nuxl read to me i feel like he's an important slot for me to sort today

 

[Texas Cloverleaf]

god thinking is hard today

 

[Texas Cloverleaf]

Vote Laurel

i can see laurel they came up in my read back with a lot of quiet shade on me and have been consistently targeting big 'names' can def see agenda behind it, good note that no comments on spiderz at all

 

[Celever]

also cel please explain your nuxl read to me i feel like he's an important slot for me to sort today

I'm NGL I still think Eli is town because he has been more useful to town than anything else and feels solvy but this is not a read I have considered too deeply and I think that the counterpoints (he's staying out of confrontation and is providing v limited conclusion despite his input) are reasonably valid.

My interpretation of him is that he is meta-focussed and there hasn't been a huge amount of meta-based content to read into. His main use has acc been wrt newer players which contradicts that but I think it's bc he's less able to rest on his traditional playstyle and skillset, and for me that concludes to being quite towny but that's about the depth of my read. I've found it more useful to look elsewhere lol

 

[Texas Cloverleaf]

who is here someone talk to me

 

[Texas Cloverleaf]

If you're referring to my wall it was rlly bad ignore it

Everyone has assumed the kill performer has to be in tribe a due to being with Haruno. But the discussion surround it was largely unconducive outside of Sam's takes imo

Ayia
CaffeineBoost
Celever
Clouds
Da Letter El
Dave
Drookez
Dyo

one of these people?

 

[Texas Cloverleaf]

You basically missed Drookez prob giving Clouds a gift (something that makes Clouds think Drookez is town but we don't know), Dyo claiming role cop and confing it by posting Clouds' role, and uhh that's kind of it?

Limited utility discussion. I left and the thread did not move past where I'd left it and that's sus to me

fruit vendor? hm that's usually a town role but i've known and played in games where it was given to scum as a way to muddy the waters of town reads

 

[Celever]

Ayia
CaffeineBoost
Celever
Clouds
Da Letter El
Dave
Drookez
Dyo

one of these people?

Ayia
CaffeineBoost
Celever
Clouds
Da Letter El
Dave
Drookez
Dyo
Laurel
M2H

Nah it stretched down to M2H iirc. It might have cut off at Laurel I kinda cbf to check but Laurel was def in it

The tribes were just alphabetical

 

[Texas Cloverleaf]

I'm NGL I still think Eli is town because he has been more useful to town than anything else and feels solvy but this is not a read I have considered too deeply and I think that the counterpoints (he's staying out of confrontation and is providing v limited conclusion despite his input) are reasonably valid.

My interpretation of him is that he is meta-focussed and there hasn't been a huge amount of meta-based content to read into. His main use has acc been wrt newer players which contradicts that but I think it's bc he's less able to rest on his traditional playstyle and skillset, and for me that concludes to being quite towny but that's about the depth of my read. I've found it more useful to look elsewhere lol

useful to town isnt a valid reason to town read tho the best wolfs are invaluable to town - so town thinks

 

[Laurel]

I mean it was basically process of elimination Zach/Laurel performs the nk but that's me tring everyone too much. More than anything I wanted to see people's reaction to pressure being put on Zach for the first(?) time but no one really reacted to it and pushed it under the rug. Compound that with the p frequent tring of Zach for absolutely 0 legitimate reason and I'm becoming more confident this slot is scum

there is no chance i no kill, ever. But zach might’ve forgot and idoled I guess

 

[Texas Cloverleaf]

Nuxl where you at today what's your read on things

 

[Laurel]

Anyway here's what I wanted to look at and I'm caught up

Boys girls and enbies, for my performance tonight I will be ISOing Laurel, more specifically who he has bothered to talk about or mention at all:
Final tally:
Town Read:
Haruno I
M2H I
Caff II
Clouds I

Scum Read:
Eli IIII
realiti II
Sam IIII
Texas IIII
DLE IIII
Cel III
shadowpea I
M2H I
Dyo I

Note the absolute lack of progression. M2H had an early tr and a late sr and they are literally the only person to appear in both lists, and only once. Eli was shaded from the start of D1 and that has continued. Caff and Clouds were towny in RVS in their view and still are just town, when they've had a v rocky path through this game with a lot of town and scum cred at various points. He threw one Haruno tr and now Haruno is dead. Beyond that, Laurel has only scumread, basically saying no one is town.

realiti seemed to be a top scumread and now he's completely dropped that. Not saying he changed his mind, just ignoring his existence

Almost all of his reads involve more active players and he's never commented on others. shadowpea he scumread toward EoD2 but that's it and he didn't provide reasoning, and Dyo he only scumread through Spiderz.

Speaking of, Spiderz is by far and away one of the most active players this game and he was just, never mentioned or read by Laurel? Which is weird considering Laurel's complete focus on active players.

Laurel's brought up DLE as a scumread frequently with basically no reasoning, and DLE has literally not been here so what's up with that

For posterity:
Never mentioned:
Ayia
Dave
Drookez
Psy
Ryo
Vizh

Whydon has been interacted with but totally NAI-ly

This is not a player trying to solve this game. And for posterity this ISO revealed something interesting af. Remember when I referenced that someone said Haruno should be killed tonight bc of 3p potentiality and sorta just assumed that was me? Acc no, it was Laurel:

Vote Laurel

Paranoid maf scared of 3p win taking out Haruno theory tick

I understand the timing of this is OMGUS but imma be real I think this is consistent with prior reads. Laurel has sucked since gamestart

And me typing that sentence has just made me realise it's even weirder that Laurel has never responded to Spiderz really. Spiderz has said Laurel has been scummy more than anyone else and there was never an exchange? Honestly if Laurel is scum it implicates Spiderz a fair bit, which hurts me to say bc Spiderz has been great this game I'm a huge fan of his work

i literally have voted clouds on day 1 and day 2 and you say ive only TR’d him.

You’re panicking here. if you’re town you’re just trying to force a TvT cross

 

[Celever]

i literally have voted clouds on day 1 and day 2 and you say ive only TR’d him.

You’re panicking here. if you’re town you’re just trying to force a TvT cross

Both of your votes on Clouds were clearly jokes (first in RVS, second idr but wrote off in the ISO) this is a weird defence

Like even if second day vote was fine evidencing a literal RVS vote as defence is bad af

 

[Laurel]

You’re focusing on one particular event and voting me to POE but I never no kill.

You’re really not helping your case I was fine to vote Sam as well.

honestly, the reason I’m not scum is the same reason I think you are scum.

you’re trying way too hard this game lol. i know a town cel probably doesn’t care this much xox