NOC Bigvivor Mafia Game Thread Day 5

Nuxl said:
dyos night actions suck for a few days in a row tbf since idk what would lead to no result multiple times what to make about his slot

i think the d3 claim makes sense from a POV of like mostly inexp scum team 4heading the claim to get attention off of him

also town has a results stealer, hals role, and now a flipped tracker - rolecop in addition seems like a lot of info if we assume we have something relatively powerful like a watcher

one thing to note is he’s looking relatively unpartnered with other people itt and other null-scum reads such as drookez US vizh, so it’s possible that a scum dyo flip does open up the game more
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Town doesn't have a results stealer Drookez lied

This isn't particularly difficult to keep up with and has been pointed out a lot of times. This feels like intentionally faulty reasoning
 
Celever said:
I find it weird that you bring that post back into the thread when it’s been v covered (I agree it’s bad and was overtired)

I don’t think you can disagree with the main logic behind the Ayia vote that a number of people hardtowned him for no reason

If I care enough I’ll go back and see who that was, it’s still a valid lead once he’s flipped town
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mainly from my pov you’ve now made a case for ayia (town) laurel (town) and tried to cfd off laurel to ryo/shadowpea for.. reasons

and now you’re voting… *checks notes* caffeineboost.

I also noticed you seem to believe like basically every post you read, sort of like going with the thread. It’s not something that I think is inherently scummy but ultimately I’m confused now if this is part of a gameplan now or not. Like when people say an original take you start posturing that it could be a reality - you had me hard town and started shading me for a few things that other people like M2H and Clouds did. It didn’t feel like anything from my posts you questioned me by or tried to get insight with.
 
Duskfall98 said:
HydrogenHydreigon

You are Brandon, thirteenth place.

You were a huge visible threat and very robbed by a rooster. This is commonly accepted by everyone, let’s hope the same doesn’t happen again.

Robbed Goddess: This time you are stealing. Whoever you target with this action, you will steal their night results. If they were meant to receive a night result they will be informed of “No result”.

You will also receive boosted results, which means that you will be informed if they were disrupted, successful, or no action, even if they usually should not be informed of such. You will not learn where they were disrupted to or who they targetted.

Suggest (2): Throw out the name of a player, putting them on a suggested kill list for certain player(s). The number in this ability is a priority number. If no player in the game has the ability to kill the names thrown out, the ability to kill will be inherited as an ability in order of this priority.

You are town, you win when all threats to town have been eliminated from the game.
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Celever shut the fuck up please
 
UncleSam said:
Ngl you play this way every game regardless of alignment (disclaimer: I have not played with you in five years so maybe that has changed things). Do you mean you do this to a lesser degree as scum? Because I’ve seen you do this as scum in prior NOCs lol (but also as town for sure, I’m js I don’t think it is AI in either direction like you’ve claimed).

- friendly hydra
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sudden confidence is more indicative of my town play than my scum play

Celever said:
Town doesn't have a results stealer Drookez lied

This isn't particularly difficult to keep up with and has been pointed out a lot of times. This feels like intentionally faulty reasoning
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check hydreigon's flip u baka
 
Nuxl said:
mainly from my pov you’ve now made a case for ayia (town) laurel (town) and tried to cfd off laurel to ryo/shadowpea for.. reasons

and now you’re voting… *checks notes* caffeineboost.

I also noticed you seem to believe like basically every post you read, sort of like going with the thread. It’s not something that I think is inherently scummy but ultimately I’m confused now if this is part of a gameplan now or not. Like when people say an original take you start posturing that it could be a reality - you had me hard town and started shading me for a few things that other people like M2H and Clouds did. It didn’t feel like anything from my posts you questioned me by or tried to get insight with.
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TBF I wouldn't call the Ayia post a case? Like it's been said multiple times that was with the intent of pressure bc Ayia just was not here and the thread dynamics surrounding that slot were extremely bizarre so

I made the case for Laurel. It was a valid case. Didn't hit the right target but you just said town still has more mislynches in them since that was the first real wagon day so calling me scum for making a IYO pseudo-D1 case is inconsistent

Moving to ryo/shadowpea was EoD pressure that has been v well outlined

I kinda do seem to believe every post I read in that there are two ways to pressure a post, one is to attack the arguments and the other is to run with them until their logical conclusion. It's good for progress.
 
UncleSam said:
Trying to read what I can today from my phone at work, I think that the Caffeine / Celever interactions feels legit and I strongly doubt there are two scum in there. Warming back up to Celever a bit.

Caffeine question - if I’m your biggest SL right now then you can’t just drop that with no explanation and no attempt to pressure. If you don’t like my attempts to solve you have to say why (preferably with examples), you gotta go back and iso my posts and see where I’ve been pushing to see if you buy where I’m coming from.

Side note I have selfish interests in making the above request because it’s been extremely frustrating to me that so few people have been willing to entertain my reads or leans this game.

The Group A vs. Group B dynamic is getting a bit overplayed imo, yes we can probably PoE group A more easily than group B but we know there is scum in both (and it’d be surprising if there wasn’t), so I don’t think we should be this fixated on it.

I am concerned with the lack of attention paid to the Laurel wagon, however. It’s the only contested misvote we know about and yet people’s roles on it and relationships to it really haven’t been parsed out very well today.

Finally, DLE’s reasoning regarding Dyo makes no sense. The literal entire point of saying his targeting is weird is in relation to trackers / watchers, and DLE just...forgets this point when initially responding? Then says ignore tracker and also he doesn’t care about Watcher? Really really strange reasoning by him that makes no sense.

Last point can people please actually read my posts. It feels like the only people to actually read anything I’ve pushed is Ryo and M2H.

I think it’s interesting Celever wants to shift focus to Group B once he starts getting pressured but I also don’t think he’s wrong, we need to stay focused on the whole field here. I still think Dyo is always the right vote here due to the terrible plays he has made, his general lack of helpfulness in the thread, and the sheer amount of information we gain from his flip. However, I don’t think it is necessarily right to try to PoE it all the way down in group A - if one group or the other has fewer potential mafia then that is a consideration but we need to stay focused on who is the highest percentage vote each individual day.

M2H you’re my strongest TR right now (although I like Psy and Ryo as well) and I want to know where you stand regarding Celever v Caffeine as well as on Dave / Dyo / Spiderz / Vizh (why has everyone forgotten about Vizh?).

Also Drookez is a scum lean from me for now he kinda popped in when mentioned then left when it was no longer necessary to post to satisfy anybody.

- friendly hydra
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I've provided an explanation as to why I'm "dropping" the read with no explanation, the explanation being that I would like to focus on group A for a PoE. I'd like to say that the lack of pressuring is also because of my focus being on group A but the real reason is that up until now I cba reading all of your wall posts and prefer to just skim them and make an assessment. I will push you if/when I can be arsed to do so.

The reason I'm not voting Dyo is that I don't see why scum!dyo claims rolecop just to tell us what Clouds's's' role is. This seems more indicative of new town trying to help than new scum trying to... do something... idk.
 
Celever said:
TBF I wouldn't call the Ayia post a case? Like it's been said multiple times that was with the intent of pressure bc Ayia just was not here and the thread dynamics surrounding that slot were extremely bizarre so

I made the case for Laurel. It was a valid case. Didn't hit the right target but you just said town still has more mislynches in them since that was the first real wagon day so calling me scum for making a IYO pseudo-D1 case is inconsistent

Moving to ryo/shadowpea was EoD pressure that has been v well outlined

I kinda do seem to believe every post I read in that there are two ways to pressure a post, one is to attack the arguments and the other is to run with them until their logical conclusion. It's good for progress.
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i don’t mind you being wrong that much bc clearly i was too and still might be! it’s not that it was a case for zach but you were clearing people in that post. maybe the S there is dyo or cb but it was still like you acted under the premise that there was one S right. certain things don’t click with the answer, it’s like your progress isn’t there

and i also feel like if i wrote a case saying m2h is hyper leading this thread in order to explain why me studying for midterms and not hyperrefreshing this thread is scummy you would believe it
 
Nuxl said:
i don’t mind you being wrong that much bc clearly i was too and still might be! it’s not that it was a case for zach but you were clearing people in that post. maybe the S there is dyo or cb but it was still like you acted under the premise that there was one S right. certain things don’t click with the answer, it’s like your progress isn’t there

and i also feel like if i wrote a case saying m2h is hyper leading this thread in order to explain why me studying for midterms and not hyperrefreshing this thread is scummy you would believe it
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The logic in that post was really bad yeah, I already said I was over-thinking the triggerman aspect and basically was thinking of one scum in my rationale for that reason. It was faulty, that's been said and it's odd to bring up the same point that has been answered. It wasn't really clearing it was just "wouldn't particularly want to commit that kill" but all of the points for that were bad anyway lol

TBF I've been stringently against volume reads all game that's the one case I wouldn't take at face value :psysly:
 
RyoDio Hi, you claimed you got a result before you had your role wiped. I am once again asking for you to claim said result.
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Da Letter El said:
if your read is "this is neither iDLE nor hyper I-am-leading-this-village DLE and i'm confused" then fine but it's certainly not my scum game
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ftr i didn’t know if i wanted to respond to this bc meta but since the wagons likely aren’t partnered + im probs not playing w u again lmao

i felt like i saw similar things in inv where you’d pick it up lategame and that sometimes your popins were just. hit and run. ur pushes and reads are also super confident when i don’t know how of much the thread you’ve actually read. in a larger game like this you don’t need to run the thread, just avoid pressure when you’re around.
 
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