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apricity said:
My basis around which I base an ex-ante probability of reading someone as scum vs town is on occasion a reflection of how valuable their town game is and how dangerous their scum game is. If someone’s dead useless as town but a nasty mafia player then yeah, I’d like to lynch them first generally. This is mathematical, no? Your best alignment is scum. Eli’s for example is town. Mine is town. Sometimes I am wrong on people. I understand my accuracy, and within those limitations I’m still playing the best game I can, and I’m afraid I’ll continue to do so.

Also it’s a pretty serious cognitive dissonance to tell me to drop my meta on you because it’s outdated a few posts after discrediting me for literally past games
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True for most

Though I think mafia is a team game and if I am town (from your pov) you want me in the game because I'll probably be there at lylo and am someone who you can rely on, if you are town, to put the game together. Early game town Tommy is terrible compared to Eli hal, Texas even but I do think I've a lot more to offer late game through my experience of I'm in p much every late game ever.

I'm not telling you to drop your meta on me, I'm asking you what your meta on me was because I'm curious (and you said last game youre starting from scratch), while also saying your meta is useless anyways since it's never worked before and is even less likely to now.
 
Duskfall98 said:
True for most

Though I think mafia is a team game and if I am town (from your pov) you want me in the game because I'll probably be there at lylo and am someone who you can rely on, if you are town, to put the game together. Early game town Tommy is terrible compared to Eli hal, Texas even but I do think I've a lot more to offer late game through my experience of I'm in p much every late game ever.

I'm not telling you to drop your meta on me, I'm asking you what your meta on me was because I'm curious (and you said last game youre starting from scratch), while also saying your meta is useless anyways since it's never worked before and is even less likely to now.
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I’m on my phone it’s past my bedtime

I also literally don’t know which computer it would be on. Might be the one I brought to Paris in which case it’s permanently gone. Maybe it got uploaded to one drive. I can check tomorrow
 
BUT I am town so it is obviously bad for me to die as town given I am town and given that even in most worlds for other people I am town, and by now should so have received town reads further making me an even worse kill
 
M2H said:
Would it be a natural assumption be that modspewing -> modkill? I think I've seen previous cases of a modspew just leading to a cleared slot.
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Ok, I’ve just understood that your viewpoint is “Tommy is town because he tried something slimy as town”

no. My point is that what Tommy did wasn’t slimy enough. The slimy thing to do is to wait for fifty pages then bounce the angle shoot on the thread. Theonly thing that you would accomplish pointing that out page 4 is kicking up a fuss as scum trying to get the slot modkilled because you immediately know that that person can’t be your partner.
 
apricity said:
Ok, I’ve just understood that your viewpoint is “Tommy is town because he tried something slimy as town”

no. My point is that what Tommy did wasn’t slimy enough. The slimy thing to do is to wait for fifty pages then bounce the angle shoot on the thread. Theonly thing that you would accomplish pointing that out page 4 is kicking up a fuss as scum trying to get the slot modkilled because you immediately know that that person can’t be your partner.
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ftr the reason for my modspew (fmpov) is that caffeine instantly killed whydon after I said I have knowledge of his alignment

if I was mafia he doesn't kill because I already have tmi I'm just outting, caffeine didn't realize what was happening and I said I had knowledge and caffeine probably assumed that I knew something he didn't and went into damage control, it's not my actions that confirm my alignment imo, it's the reaction to what I did in thread being a reaction to town not mafia having the knowledge that whydon was conf town without posting
 
Duskfall98 said:
ftr the reason for my modspew (fmpov) is that caffeine instantly killed whydon after I said I have knowledge of his alignment

if I was mafia he doesn't kill because I already have tmi I'm just outting, caffeine didn't realize what was happening and I said I had knowledge and caffeine probably assumed that I knew something he didn't and went into damage control, it's not my actions that confirm my alignment imo, it's the reaction to what I did in thread being a reaction to town not mafia having the knowledge that whydon was conf town without posting
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this makes sense but did you genuinely think whydon was modspewed or was it a trick so that you could be cleared
 
I do think hal's perspective feels towny atp. I think I am understanding that Hal is particularly fearful of scum!Tommy in light of last game there being a lack of a strong enough secondary town voice (in that case, I kinda sucked and couldn't get anything done) hence none of his reads (ie; correct US/Texas reads) got pushed through later on which ultimately led to the end game. I do agree than in a d2 world scum!Tommy does probably always beat me in a 1v1, and hence I understand if you have a desire to frontload that pain so to speak.

I don't get the impression you feel particularly strong on this read more than that you are afraid of what will happen if you delay resolving it.
 
Duskfall98 said:
if I was mafia he doesn't kill because I already have tmi I'm just outting, caffeine didn't realize what was happening and I said I had knowledge and caffeine probably assumed that I knew something he didn't and went into damage control, it's not my actions that confirm my alignment imo, it's the reaction to what I did in thread being a reaction to town not mafia having the knowledge that whydon was conf town without posting
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i see what tommy is saying here. if tommy was complaining in scum chat about whydon being modspewed town prior to the modkill, it would be weird for caff to pretend to have a kneejerk reaction to that realization when he wouldve already seen tommy say address it in private. unless thats like a thing hosts would normally do?
 
apricity said:
Ok, I’ve just understood that your viewpoint is “Tommy is town because he tried something slimy as town”

no. My point is that what Tommy did wasn’t slimy enough. The slimy thing to do is to wait for fifty pages then bounce the angle shoot on the thread. Theonly thing that you would accomplish pointing that out page 4 is kicking up a fuss as scum trying to get the slot modkilled because you immediately know that that person can’t be your partner.
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and yeah OK this is a good point tbf.
 
Also the whole “my reads on you are worse than rand” belies a devastating inability to understand probability

ex post you have a 20% chance of being scum and 80% chance of being town

if I wanted to maximize my reads accuracy on everyone I’d read everyone as town and be right 80% of the time
 
Tbh waiting doesn't give that much benefit imo, given the fact I didn't think he would be modkilled. But also it was not really a strategy it was my genuine reaction when I hopped in thread and a read
 
M2H said:
I do think hal's perspective feels towny atp. I think I am understanding that Hal is particularly fearful of scum!Tommy in light of last game there being a lack of a strong enough secondary town voice (in that case, I kinda sucked and couldn't get anything done) hence none of his reads (ie; correct US/Texas reads) got pushed through later on which ultimately led to the end game. I do agree than in a d2 world scum!Tommy does probably always beat me in a 1v1, and hence I understand if you have a desire to frontload that pain so to speak.

I don't get the impression you feel particularly strong on this read more than that you are afraid of what will happen if you delay resolving it.
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I just wanted to add that if this is what is running through your mind rn, you don't have to try to solve the game on your own. Town losing last game was a collective effort.
 
Duskfall98 said:
it's far easier to redesign a town role than mafia since mafia come together to do different items as a team, being limited by flavour to fit into whatever their team wants to do makes you way less likely to redesign a mafia role than a town role
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CaffeineBoost said:
Oh cool I fucked up.

It's okay I can fix it.

Whydon has been modkilled, pretend he never joined. 14p game.

Nuxl will be a sub for one of you lot if you leave :)

Sorry Nuxl
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HydrogenHydreigon said:
how was whydon modspewed then? i dont see
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It is because it is way easier to redesign a town role than a mafia role, I didn't think the host would offer to complete redesign a mafia role assuming that each mafia role is balanced in a way to interact with town and work together doing something unique.

That being said it wasn't like 100 percent convincing and very debatable in hindsight so it's funny how it's come all this way
 
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