Pokemon Scarlet & Violet - 18th Nov 2022! **OFFICIAL INFO ONLY**

Hugin said:
Discord sucks. It's not searchable, not accessible to the wider internet, and encourages less productive and less considered discussion. Why not make a thread for leak discussion specifically, here, on the site people are on and that the community is named after, rather than in a chatroom?
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Discord's based, baby.
 
Vengeance417 said:
Some more potentially good Tera candidates, only talking about Pokemon officially confirmed to be in the game:

Water-type :salamence:

Salamence already has access to two very powerful Water-type moves without needing to waste them on Tera Blast: Aqua Tail or Hydro Pump. Like with the other 4x Ice-weak Pokemon, turning Water flips the switch on the usual Ice counters and they're all of a sudden on the backfoot. It's funny how using Tera to turn Salamence into a Water-type actually makes it extremely similar to base Gyarados; Water-types, exact same abilities, high Attack, etc. However, I feel Salamence would better utilize its newfound Water-typing on Rain teams as a Special-attacker, using an offensive set like this:

Salamence (Water-type) @ Life Orb / Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Hydro Pump
- Hurricane
- Fire Blast
- Roost / Draco Meteor

Despite lacking Ice Beam, Salamence has ways around Grass- and Dragon- types in the forms of Hurricane, Fire Blast, and Draco Meteor, respectively, playing similarly to Volcanion, who is a Water-type that lacks Ice Beam but has Fire coverage.
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Another thought that I'd be curious about as a niche approach: Would there be benefit to a Pokemon with moves matching its Tera Type still running two for mixed damage (this probably mattering more in the case lower Coverage Pokemon or types that simply do not need much additional coverage to hit things)?

This is a very dumb example because I'm coming up with it on the fly, but the thought I had in mind was to reserve Terastalizing for a vein similar to Z-moves, where a Pokemon plays a particular way throughout the match, and then Terastalizes to use the massive power boost to pick off a specific target with a move it probably has limited reason to click otherwise. This kind of play would probably be limited to Pokemon with decent mixed attacking stats and lacking 4 moveslot Syndrome, but I think of it as a higher cost, potentially-higher-reward approach to things like Nidoking running Superpower to lure Blissey in some previous gens, trading off the Terastal aspect for more raw power that may not require SE damage to break the same target.

Extending the Nidoking thought (this probably doesn't apply to Gen 8 but I want to at least illustrate with actual Pokemon names); Gunk Shot with an extra 1.5x boost would do ~84% damage to P. Def Blissey minimum, which KOs after minor damage or Chip, whereas Superpower needs a roll to 2HKO from full (bringing in complications like Boots, Prior chip, healing, or prediction games on clicking the second expecting Teleport vs Switching out expecting a Hard Switch into the weaker follow up)

(Gunk Shot made 180 BP as a rough and lower approximation of a 1.5x Damage increase, assuming Tera STAB being additive)
4 Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Nidoking Gunk Shot vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Blissey: 606-714 (84.8 - 100%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

This still allows Nidoking to get past the premier Special Sponge, but with reduced prediction chances needed on Nidoking's part to manage it by nailing Blissey coming in OR on the subsequent potential-Teleport turn, rather than needing to predict both to maintain momentum, much less get the KO.

Additionally, if Blissey pivots to something anticipating Superpower after getting in the first time, a concern then is if the opponent gets nailed by the Tera lure harder than a non-Tera lure; Bulky QD Volcarona could eat most 2 attacks besides 2 Sludge Waves off a Standard Nidoking, getting a Quiver Dance off and Roosting to outheal Sludge Wave spam until it can manage a second QD (At +1 Sludge Wave does 39.9% Max) barring a crit. While odds are most won't actually PP Stall or wait out that long, Volcarona getting to +1 would put momentum in their court. On the other hand, the same buffed Gunk Shot that would nail Blissey if she stayed would murder that switch-in as well, so the prediction to punch a hole with Nidoking now primarily is in getting him on the field to Tera nuke rather than also clicking the right one of a few moves when he's in.

This is probably WAY more specific an example than matters, but I spent an hour thinking about and writing this so would be a shame not to post it, and I hope that the concept at least makes some sense as a talking point
 
CTNC said:
I'd go with Dual Wingbeat for Grass so you have STAB if you don't Tera. Dragon Dance Salamence would be interesting because you practically get to chose if you want DD Salamence or DD Gyarados. Maybe it could be paired with Gyarados if you really want to be able to use your Tera for a second Gyarados.

If you want to be able to have a second Salamence instead, you can teach Gyarados Scale Shot and give it the Dragon Tera Type. Is it a good idea? Probably not. Does it give you a choice between having two Salamence, two Gyarados, or one of each? Close enough.
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I don't think Gyarados gets Scale Shot
 
MaahirMomtaz12 said:
I don't think Gyarados gets Scale Shot
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Just double checked Serebii, Gyarados does but Salamence doesn't. That's a problem if you want to have matching movesets for the novelty of choosing between two Gyarados or two Salamence with Terastal. There goes part of the main reason to want Tera Dragon Gyarados... It still works because of Gyarados getting Scale Shot, but you can't have matching movesets. :P

Seriously though, Tera Dragon Gyarados is probably only worth it in extremly niche situations or if you really like the Gyar+Sala gimmick idea.


Lati@s gets Scale Shot too even though Latias's Ruby Dex says she has feathers... Has Scale Shot been talked about in the Movepool Oddities Thread?
 
A few more potential Tera targets, once again only using Pokemon confirmed to be in the game, only this time I'll be focusing on actual Tera Blast users:

:rotom-frost:
Ice.png
Rotom-Frost @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Nasty Plot
- Thunderbolt / Volt Switch
- Pain Split / Will-O-Wisp
- Tera Blast

Goodbye, Blizzard! Hello, Ice-type Tera Blast! With the introduction of the move Tera Blast, assuming Rotom is capable of learning this move, the appliances no longer have to rely on either unreliable or too weak STAB options. A Rotom-Frost with access to a reliable and powered-up Ice-type STAB is going to be a very welcome change for this form, although it does mean it has to be pure Ice-type, which sucks defensively. That being said, the offensive benefits are still noteworthy.

Something of note on the subject of Rotom appliances, as well. If you want to Tera Rotom into a type that isn't one of its original typings, i.e Dragon, Fairy, etc, the Rotom form you choose is funnily enough a subjective choice just like how it used to be in DPP. The optimal choices to pick, however, are ones that aren't initially SR weak, like Wash or Mow.

:lilligant:
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Lilligant (F) @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Chlorophyll
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Quiver Dance / Growth
- Giga Drain
- Sleep Powder
- Tera Blast

Chlorophyll Pokemon will eat well this gen with the Fire-type Tera option, and Lilligant is no exception. Gaining Fire STAB that's also boosted by the Sun while also getting the Chlorophyll Speed boost sounds absolutely amazing. Steel-types, Bug-types, and Ice-types will be eating their hearts out. For QD sets, you probably could even opt for bulkier EV spreads since you're getting the Chlorophyll boost anyway, while Growth would be the more offensive-immediate option.

:scyther:
Ground.png
Scyther @ Eviolite
Ability: Technician / Steadfast
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Roost
- Aerial Ace / Quick Attack / Knock Off / U-turn
- Tera Blast

Ooh, an NFE. Ground-type Scyther with the boosts from Eviolite makes this Pokemon sound incredibly hard to take down.
 
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Vengeance417 said:
Something of note on the subject of Rotom appliances, as well. If you want to Tera Rotom into a type that isn't one of its original typings, i.e Dragon, Fairy, etc, the Rotom form you choose is funnily enough a subjective choice just like how it used to be in DPP. The optimal choices to pick, however, are ones that aren't initially SR weak, like Wash or Mow.
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Then I'll Ice Terastallize Rotom-W instead. But to be honest I'm sick of washing machine and a refrigerator is cooler.
 
misterdarvus said:
Then I'll Ice Terastallize Rotom-W instead. But to be honest I'm sick of washing machine and a refrigerator is cooler.
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It depends on what you want to do with your Rotom, I guess. You'd want to Ice Tera Frost for the extra power that the original Ice-type gives you, but if you wanted to use Wash form to save Tera for later to have a much better initial defensive typing, that's an option, too. However, you'll notice the loss of power.
 
Might as well give my thoughts on Tera users.

:florges:
Grass.png
Florges @ Leftovers
Ability: Flower Veil
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
- Calm Mind
- Giga Drain / Energy Ball
- Psychic
- Synthesis

Grass.png
Florges @ Leftovers
Ability: Flower Veil
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
- Wish
- Protect / Synthesis
- Giga Drain
- Aromatherapy

Flower Veil always seemed like it would be an awesome ability to have on something that could actually take advantage of it, and with Terastalization, Florges can actually do that. You do lose out on some good resistances, though.

:staraptor:
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Staraptor @ Choice Band
Ability: Reckless
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Brave Bird
- Double-Edge
- Close Combat
- U-turn

Basically, pick which STAB you want to turn thermonuclear.
 
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Vengeance417 said:
It depends on what you want to do with your Rotom, I guess. You'd want to Ice Tera Frost for the extra power that the original Ice-type gives you, but if you wanted to use Wash form to save Tera for later to have a much better initial defensive typing, that's an option, too. However, you'll notice the loss of power.
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Oh right I didn't account for the super STAB

And I guess you can Terastallize Rotom-F to any type other than Flying so its ability finally has some use :quagchamppogsire:
 
I haven't seen anyone talk about Tera Dragon for Defense. Weaknesses to Ice and Fairy are a problem, but resistances to Fire, Electric, and Water should give it a niche for some Pokemon, like Steel Types if they want to Tera for some reason. Bug gives resistances to Fighting and Ground if you're desperate enough to not have Flying's weaknesses to Ice and Electric. I'm not going to say Tera Bug is good. I'm just saying if you're really desperate or maybe if you want to try to shock someone into misplaying by Terastallizing a Steel Type into a Bug Type. It might be better than Tera Ice for shock value because everyone would be expecting Defensive Tera Ice from trolls.
InvisibleWater said:
Might as well give my thoughts on Tera users.

:florges:
Grass.png
Florges @ Leftovers
Ability: Flower Veil
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
- Calm Mind
- Giga Drain / Energy Ball
- Psychic
- Synthesis

Grass.png
Florges @ Leftovers
Ability: Flower Veil
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
- Wish
- Protect / Synthesis
- Giga Drain
- Aromatherapy

Flower Veil always seemed like it would be an awesome ability to have on something that could actually take advantage of it, and with Terastalization, Florges can actually do that. You do lose out on some good resistances, though.
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Florgres finally gets to be the Grass type she should've always been and finally gets a niche over Sylveon... If she's in SV. It'd really suck if she was pretty much worse than another Pokemon introduced in the same game and never got an interesting gimick or niche.
Edit: Didn't realize she was confirmed.

On the first set, why Psychic over Moonblast? It's resisted by Poison, but you're walled by Steel either way and you get to have STAB for when you don't Tera Florges.

Isn't the Tera Grass Crown flowers? Florges better make in SV for those jokes. There's going to be so many jokes about Tera Grass Florges! Speaking of jokes, Tera Rock Chansey for extra Special Defense in Sandstorm? Or how about this?
misterdarvus said:
And I guess you can Terastallize Rotom-F to any type other than Flying so its ability finally has some use :quagchamppogsire:
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No.

Rotom-F is always Tera Flying. Always.

Other Rotom forms though, they have Levitate and are already Electric types. They could use Tera Electric, not just to lose every weakness why is why so many people are jumpinf to Tera Electric for Levitate Pokemon, but to get stronger STAB too. Neat.

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InvisibleWater said:
:staraptor:
Flying.png
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Staraptor @ Choice Band
Ability: Reckless
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Brave Bird
- Double-Edge
- Close Combat
- U-turn

Basically, pick which STAB you want to turn thermonuclear.
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Welcome back to UUBL! :D
 
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It probably wont happen, but a small wishful part of me hopes theres some defensive edge tera gives mons. Doubling down on resistances or something. I know most gimmicks are focused on offenses because they want vgc to be fast paced, but the only one of the gimmicks we got that had defense focus were a few megas... Which mostly either flopped or were hell on earth.
 
CTNC said:
On the first set, why Psychic over Moonblast? It's resisted by Poison, but you're walled by Steel either way and you get to have STAB for when you don't Tera Florges.
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Ah. For some reason that completely slipped my mind.

I may also have a somewhat unhealthy hatred of Toxapex. :worrywhirl:
 
Im so excited for when the game comes out bc im thinking of so many countermons which would specifically counter all of the new features added. Idk maybe ill finally get an elo above 1300 lol
But i swear to god if mimikyu isnt in the game im gonna nuke every pikachu I see
 
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