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Cobalt Empoleon said:
I can absolutely get on board with '[Pokemon] should've gotten a regular evolution instead of a Mega-evolution and it sucks that the gimmick might've locked out that possibility forever' but when the sentiment becomes '[Pokemon]'s Mega should've just been its regular evolution' I get a little confused. Imo virtually none of the Megas work as regular evolutions without a pretty thorough redesign, both in terms of appearance and battle capability.
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To put it in perspective, Mega Mawile has 480 BST. The only thing that makes it such a threat is Huge Power.

Also, visually speaking, Mega Glalie looks like a regular evo in my book. It helps that it doesn't have sharp and wavy protrusions everywhere like most Megas.
 
Coronis said:
What will be most interesting for me is to see how the various super mechanics will be handled by the time we eventually come along to remakes for their generations. (assuming here of course that the relevant mechanic isn’t brought back for the whole generation)
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I know this is purely a hypothetical but jesus christ just the idea of me living long enough to see XY or SM remakes is a thought that makes me feel like im gonna shrivel up and die
 
Volt-Ikazuchi said:
To put it in perspective, Mega Mawile has 480 BST. The only thing that makes it such a threat is Huge Power.

Also, visually speaking, Mega Glalie looks like a regular evo in my book. It helps that it doesn't have sharp and wavy protrusions everywhere like most Megas.
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Nah none of the Megas look like regular evos or could be retconned into them for me, they literally are the Pokemon’s base design with an added or changed feature. A normal evo needs its own unique design.
 
Yung Dramps said:
I know this is purely a hypothetical but jesus christ just the idea of me living long enough to see XY or SM remakes is a thought that makes me feel like im gonna shrivel up and die
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Now you know how I feel about the fact that I've lived to see BDSP remakes, and will probably see either B/W or another set of G/S/C remakes in the relatively near future, assuming we aren't plunged into nuclear war or something.

Coronis said:
Nah none of the Megas look like regular evos or could be retconned into them for me, they literally are the Pokemon’s base design with an added or changed feature. A normal evo needs its own unique design.
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... but there are plenty of Pokemon who boil down to "pre-evolution but bigger with some slightly altered features"? Like do you really think there's more difference between, say, Clefairy and Clefable than there is between Glalie and Mega Glalie?
 
Divine Retribution said:
... but there are plenty of Pokemon who boil down to "pre-evolution but bigger with some slightly altered features"? Like do you really think there's more difference between, say, Clefairy and Clefable than there is between Glalie and Mega Glalie?
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More of an overall general commentary, obviously there are cases that don’t follow this rule, particularly earlier in the series but yeah, thats my thought.

And yeah literally every Mega I can think of (including Glalie) is just something that should be a form change if anything rather than an evo.
 
Well, regardless I'm not really in the camp of wanting to retcon Mega Evolutions as standard evolutions, but I think there are definitely some Mega Evolutions that most people wouldn't have thought twice about if they had been released as standard evolutions instead, and Glalie is probably in that camp. "Big Glalie with a beard" is basically the same premise as Probopass, isn't it?
 
If anything, I feel some Megas suffer the Gen 4 "over decorated" evo problem

That said, if we're to turn them into evos for design, personally...

Audino: tweak ear shape slightly

Sableye: perfect, maybe change purple

Beedrill and Ampharos: change yellow to be oranger

Altaria: cover eyes with fluff

Glalie: iffy on design, but it's distinct enough already

Aggron: I can't think of much

Salamence: it's a stupid design, but maybe make it greener. Or ref the RSE color

Camerupt: fine already

Blaziken: fine already

Sceptile: fine already

Swampert: good already

Gardevoir: have it more like a knight with flowing elements

Gallade: ^shrugs^

Aerodactyl: recolor it

Slowbro: This is horrible lore wise. Keep it

Lopunny: no changes

Tyranitar: meh. I dunno, but meh

Metagross: No changes

Sharpedo: Recolor spikes

Pinsir: recolor body to be darker, metallic

Heracross: fix the face, change color

Scizor: make it blue, rgb Evo line!

Alakazam: beyond perfect

Banette: perfect

Abomasnow: It's design is garbage, please redesign

Steelix: maybe make body black. Onix's dex entry notes that really old ones are smooth and black

Houndoom: recolor bones

Medicham: Gold instead of pink

Manectric: I feel a recolor is needed, unsure

Pidgeot: Perfect

Gyarados: Perfect

Mawhile: Change color (slightly or not), the second head and body shape is nice

Absol: maybe have it grey, to be a fallen angel

Gengar: change eye color, shiny differentiates nicely already

Kangaskhan: This is a weird case where I'd say make it so the pink baby for reg is first form, second is the mega of the kid, then final Kangaskhan

Venusaur: the design is trash cuz butt flower cutout

Blastoise: extra notches or maybe fluff, a bit plain otherwise

Charizard X: make the black shiny, color closer to orange, but retain red eyes

Charizard Y: change belly color

Mewtwo, Rayquaza, Kyogre, Groudon, Latis: No, you're legendaries, stahp
 
Divine Retribution said:
Well, regardless I'm not really in the camp of wanting to retcon Mega Evolutions as standard evolutions, but I think there are definitely some Mega Evolutions that most people wouldn't have thought twice about if they had been released as standard evolutions instead, and Glalie is probably in that camp. "Big Glalie with a beard" is basically the same premise as Probopass, isn't it?
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Considering how different Snorunt, Glalie, and Froslass all look, a Glalie evolution that looked looked like "Glalie but extra" would feel very weird.

Frankly, the only mega that I think could visually pass for a regular evolution is Mega Manectric. The huge lightning mane changes its stance and silhouette so much that it barely reads as "Manectric but extra".
 
DrPumpkinz said:
Considering how different Snorunt, Glalie, and Froslass all look, a Glalie evolution that looked looked like "Glalie but extra" would feel very weird.

Frankly, the only mega that I think could visually pass for a regular evolution is Mega Manectric. The huge lightning mane changes its stance and silhouette so much that it barely reads as "Manectric but extra".
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Fair enough, although I probably wouldn't consider it that much of a big deal, and I think we're kind of getting down into the reeds a bit here. Mega Altaria, for example, feels like a pretty logical extrapolation of the Altaria line while still being visually distinct enough from standard Altaria to me. The same goes for Banette, Mawile, Sableye, and probably a few others (Manectric included), but this is all purely subjective and honestly I don't really want them recycling Mega designs anyways for other reasons, I'd rather these Pokemon get entirely new standard evolutions. Some of them can draw inspiration from their Mega forms, others can take entirely divergent paths.
 
Divine Retribution said:
Fair enough, although I probably wouldn't consider it that much of a big deal, and I think we're kind of getting down into the reeds a bit here. Mega Altaria, for example, feels like a pretty logical extrapolation of the Altaria line while still being visually distinct enough from standard Altaria to me. The same goes for Banette, Mawile, Sableye, and probably a few others (Manectric included), but this is all purely subjective and honestly I don't really want them recycling Mega designs anyways for other reasons, I'd rather these Pokemon get entirely new standard evolutions. Some of them can draw inspiration from their Mega forms, others can take entirely divergent paths.
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Sableye really? It just picked up a big gem.
 
Coronis said:
Sableye really? It just picked up a big gem.
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I mean, I could also say "Altaria really?" - it just gets extra floofy.

Really I'm not personally convinced that any of the Megas barring one or two look like they could be full evolutions. They're pretty much all the original model with some extra fur, spikes, or weapons slapped on.

The only exceptions I can immediately think of are Mega Latios and Latias, neither of which look that similar to the original forms IMO so you could plausibly pass off as evolutions to someone unfamiliar. But even they fall into that Digimon-esque trope of "x with an addition", like how Growlmon becomes WarGrowlmon which is just Growlmon wearing some machine parts.
 
Two reasons:

1. the aforementioned evolutions (except electrode) change up the silhouette pretty decently- and with Electrode, it's quite literally flipped upside down. that's pretty flimsy, yeah? Here's the thing. Mega evolutions usually keep the Pokemon's basic silhouette/structure.


2. because we're told this is what an evolution can be, we are conditioned to accept that as an evolution. we've been understanding "multiple bodies = evolution" for 26 years at this point. we've seen Electrode, Dugtrio, Muk, Weezing, Magneton, etc. for decades at this point. We know that fits naturally as a Pokemon evolution. i could go into some psychology stuff but uh. why
 
Arkm said:
So mega sableye doesn't look like it's an evolution of Sableye but Electrode/Dugtrio/Magneton looks like they are evolution of Voltorb/Diglett/Magnemite
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No it doesn’t (at least to me) and I previously mentioned that there were some cases (mostly in Gen 1) where Pokemon such as those 3 lines you mentioned existed, but most evolutions were far different from the original design, compared to pretty much every mega evolution, which look more like forms.
 
Beige said:
Raichu doesn't suffer because it's related to Pikachu. In fact, in the era of Dexit, it actually benefits from this, since the fact that Pikachu is likely the only Pokemon guaranteed to be in every game means Raichu is also safe by association
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Honestly I prefer Raichu immensely. Always have. Not that Pikachu isn't cool, but Raichu is just way better.
 
Coronis said:
No it doesn’t (at least to me) and I previously mentioned that there were some cases (mostly in Gen 1) where Pokemon such as those 3 lines you mentioned existed, but most evolutions were far different from the original design, compared to pretty much every mega evolution, which look more like forms.
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So klinklang line have drastically different designs?

servine and krokorok look like they slightly older version of their pre evolutions.

Proopass looks just like Nosepass but with a hat and moustache
 
Arkm said:
So klinklang line have drastically different designs?
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Between the Klink line and the group of Gen 1 Pokemon you mentioned before, I'm not sure why you think cherry-picking the Pokemon you'd expect to find in a "Top Ten Laziest Pokemon Designs" listicle makes for a compelling argument.

Arkm said:
servine and krokorok look like they slightly older version of their pre evolutions.

Proopass looks just like Nosepass but with a hat and moustache
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Most evolutions look like older versions of their pre-evolutions. Mega evolutions don't. I don't know what the hell you're talking about there. Probopass looks more different from Nosepass than any mega evolution looks from their base form.
 
Arkm said:
So klinklang line have drastically different designs?

servine and krokorok look like they slightly older version of their pre evolutions.

Proopass looks just like Nosepass but with a hat and moustache
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ffs do you want me to list every fucking line that doesn’t have big changes in it? I’m talking about a general perspective on all Pokemon in the entire game. And please try to understand generally the difference is far more significant in a normal evo than any of the Megas.
 
IDW Sonic sucks

Sorry, had to vent

Anyway, I'm thinking of how fandoms can warp things. Pokemon and Sonic's are very similar in narcissism and nostalgia growing to toxic levels over time, and trash Youtuber opinions swaying some

Along with an equally insidious opinion

"Fans are more faithful of these characters" or "Fans can do better than the conpany"

As well as a general misunderstanding of company mandates, dev hell, and other inner politics

Leading to flane war-esque rumors and misconceptions

So for everyone in the thread, beware of this. It's so common in long lasting (over 5 years) franchises, leads to cycles of fandom hell, and in general, something that contributed to hyper nostalgia and less risk in the industry after 2010s
 
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