It got Crunch and Throat chop. The only "better dark move" in term of pure power Moon could resonably get (aka "not wicked blow") is Darkest lariat. Roaring moon got one of the best physical dark stab. It is a type problem, not a him problem. And 80BP 100% accuracy is still pretty decent. Sucker punch or Knock off would have been nice tho.
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SPOILERS! Scarlet & Violet Leaks Thread - Data/Mechanics
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Soo.. does it mean RIP Grassy Glide Rillaboom or it will still be learnable by a tutor in SV?
it's a RIP for the time being
as of now, no pokemon in SV learns Grassy Glide in any form
May change with DLCs or day 1 patch
Yeah, that's what I mean. I think 1.5x is about the upper end of what Protosynthesis and Quark Drive could provide, and it might even be smaller given they went to the trouble of making it not a visible stat boost. They're definitely not Swift Swim clones from what we know.
Seems like they're trying to make Knock Off more of a defensive Pokemon thing judging by the fact Weavile, Roaring Moon and Chien-Pao all got passed over for it.
What I don't get with all these nerfs... why not Intimidate?
I mean, every season of VGC has like 50%+ usage on an Intimidate 'mon (if not Incineroar it's Landorus-T, if not those two it'd be Arcanine or Hitmontop). Yet it never got directly nerfed? Even when Protean does, even when Gale Wings and Intrepid Sword does.
I'm starting to get convinced Intimidate was concocted by Masuda and it says in the company ledger "absolutely no touching Intimidate" 'cause it's starting to not make sense anymore.
I mean, every season of VGC has like 50%+ usage on an Intimidate 'mon (if not Incineroar it's Landorus-T, if not those two it'd be Arcanine or Hitmontop). Yet it never got directly nerfed? Even when Protean does, even when Gale Wings and Intrepid Sword does.
I'm starting to get convinced Intimidate was concocted by Masuda and it says in the company ledger "absolutely no touching Intimidate" 'cause it's starting to not make sense anymore.
Oops. I didn't see Energy Ball there. My bad.
They nerfed it with abilities like Inner focus if i'm not wrong.
Intimidate actually got a bunch of nerfs in gen 8, just not direct ones.
Many pokemon were released with anti-intimidate abilities.
Many abilities now make you immune to intimidate without stating it (including legendary-used ones).
There's also a bunch of pokemon this gen that got new anti-intimidate abilities, and if you noticed, the most notable offender of intimidate, Incineroar, is actually not in the dex.
I don't know. Khu or Centro did say they were like Chlorophyll but busted. So having a boost that's 1.2x for abilities only activated during Sun/E-Terrain or with a consumable would be unrealistic, especially since most of these Pokemon look like they are meant to abuser these Weathers.
To be fair "Clorophyl but boosts your best stat instead of speed" sounds pretty busted to me.
Last I checked, a certain pokemon getting +1 attack on every switch was the first ever after Mega Ray to be banished to AG.
It also gets Discharge btw, and for what matters, its ability-related condition is Electric Terrain
Amazing what having a base 140 power STAB move can do for a mon, lmao.
Wait, Chlorophyl will not boost speed x2 anymore ?
Intimidate is one of the best and more interesting abilities in Pokémon, but it's not broken. And before anything, no, I don't think gale wings, per se, is broken either. We have a bunch of truly broken abilities when in the hands of the appropiate mon, but how would you nerf intimidate, for example? It already lowers the opposing mom attack with the lowest possible value (-1). Making it a once per battle use? That's trash. While being good, reducing the opposing mom attack just 1 time in an entire battle does not equal other abilities. Sheer Force gives you a permanent 30% boost, speed boosting abilities double your speed with just weather infinitely, you have things like regenerator, heck, even things like tinted lens. Why would I have a ability that diminishes opposing mon attack in 1 level once in the entire battle when i can be hitting NVE things for neutral damage the entirety of it. Flame Body.... I don't know, literally any ability that works for the entirety of the battle is inmensely better. One time use abilities should only be appropiate for obviously broken things that can impact the game as a whole in a more direct sense. Example, Protean. And even Protean has not been nerfed that badly.
I don't know of any change about Clorophyl, I just meant that even a +1 to stat rather than +2 is enough to consider the ability "busted"
That's not a direct nerf, though. If you use that reasoning they could've let Gale Wings be Gale Wings and just made more Dazzling/Queenly Majesty/Psychic Surge 'mons and gotten a similar effect.
And even if they buffed Oblivious/Scrappy/etc., it doesn't take away the matter that it did NOTHING to lessen the impact of Intimidate since Incineroar is looking at 75% usage.
I'm not saying it should be banned but considering they nerfed the ever living hell out of Pokémon/Abilities that were never as omnipresent as Intimidate, it's starting to just look weird IMO. It's like they're going out of their way to not touch it.
No 4x ice weakness so it isn't immediately revenge killed by Pao or Weavile at +2/+1 as well. It certainly has major issues and will need help in the form of a couple bans but I don't see this thing remaining indefinitely in a healthy OU. It and Sneasler are best friends.
Not even close. It is vaguely analogous to Buzzwole but with a Sun boosted Flare Blitz and +1 on entry. Being viable in OU (in TYOL 2022 where standard is just Ubers Jr.) is not the be-all end-all of what constitutes a great mon. There are plenty of good, well designed mons as low as RU now. (e.g. Heracross – and this is easily better. Now imagine Heracross dropping to NU and what that says about where power levels are.)
Brute Bonnet is quite easily the worst.
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Maybe not busted, but not nerfed either lol. +1 in speed instead of x2 in speed is insanly harsh. But for some fast pokemons, just a +1 Atk boost could be insane too.
And uhhhh... checks notes... Swords Dance.
Not a direct nerf is still a nerf.
And how would you nerf this thing ? it's already -1 in Atk ? You would like it to act once in a game ? Totally useless. Intimidate is Intimidate and can't be nerfed.
do we have a list of compiled new additions to move pools yet?
How do you expect this to play out? Send in a mon, the faster one deletes the slower one, send in a faster mon to delete the one who just deleted your mon, rinse and repeat 5 other times. Maybe throw some hazards around so the deleting is faster.
I searched for it too, the only thing i know is Scald gone and Garchomp, Quagsire, Whishcash, Gastrodon, Diancie, Magearna getting Spikes lol