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Research Scarlet & Violet Battle Mechanics Research
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The message for Chilly Reception plays even if the user is fast asleep, or doesn't execute the move because of Taunt or something (see footage). Not pictured in the footage, but using Chilly Reception as the last Pokemon left, with nothing to switch to, still sets snow just fine.
Zaggyo finds that the Unnerve Desync glitch still exists in the game. Confirming myself with English footage.
Zaggyo finds that the Unnerve Desync glitch still exists in the game. Confirming myself with English footage.
Hi. Two more results to answer some questions here.
Electromorphosis does not activate on confusion damage.
Skill Swap and Role Play both fail when used on a Tatsugiri with the Commander Ability.
also found out by accident , but is it known that quark drive isnt affected by gastro acid ? not sure about other ability changing moves etc
How do Quark Drive/Protosynthesis break ties if the 2 max stats are the same?
Just to confirm, if you give Maushold Skill Link, then does Population Bomb hit 10 times always after the initial 90% accuracy check?
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Perhaps this was a bit of a long shot but, regrettably, the super sitrus berries still care about your actual base nature and not the nature you minted into. Neutral natures minted to what you actually want are still objectively superior to the actual normal nature itself.
Edit: Tiny little interaction not worth it's own post, but apparently if you hit a Pokemon with Seed Sower with Ice Spinner, the terrain doesn't stick around.
Edit: Tiny little interaction not worth it's own post, but apparently if you hit a Pokemon with Seed Sower with Ice Spinner, the terrain doesn't stick around.
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I can confirm Doodle doesn't work on Zero to Hero (I had Palafin & Grimm against Doodle mon + Slaking on cart). I'd need someone to double check but it kept failing, so I'm assuming they had no valid target (prankster Doodle failing vs Grimm, and failing vs Zero to Hero)
Empyrical tests seem to show it works same as Beast Boost, aka goes in index order (atk > def > spatk > spdef > speed)
Apologies if this has already been answered, since it has already been asked a few times, but I haven't been able to find a definitive answer to this question: does the Substitute that is passed with the use of Shed Tail have 1/4 of the Shed Tail user's max HP (as it's implemented on PS right now) or does it have 1/2 of its max HP? With Cyclizar being on the OU council's radar this would be important information to have.
A veeery minor (or maybe not, considering the reactions) discovery, but if Outrage is disrupted on the first turn due to a Fairy-type switch-in, the user immediately becomes Confused. In older gens, the move would just be disrupted and no confusion would be afflicted.
I did not test other disruption possibilities (missing, etc) but I believe they work the same.
I did not test other disruption possibilities (missing, etc) but I believe they work the same.
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Not a rigorous test, but I tried.
Mons used:
85 HP Cyclizar
41 Def Komala
Wild 36 Atk Capsakid with Razor Leaf and Bullet Seed
Lvl 22 0 Atk Cacnea Razor Leaf vs. Lvl 22 0 HP / 0+ Def Komala: 13-16
Lvl 22 0 Atk Cacnea Bullet Seed (3 hits) vs. Lvl 22 0 HP / 0+ Def Komala: 21-27 (7 to 9 damage per hit)
Test 1: Shed Tail into Komala, substitute tanked 2 Bullet Seed hits and a Razor Leaf before breaking, potential total damage taken: 27 - 34
Test 2: Shed Tail into Komala, substitute broke after Critical Hit from Razor Leaf, potential total damage taken: 19 - 24
Test 3: Shed Tail into Komala, substitute broke after 3 Bullet Seed hits, one of which was a crit, potential total damage taken: 24 - 31
I'm doing the total damage summation mentally, so might have some errors there. A 50% HP sub would have 42 HP, 25% HP sub would have 21 HP, so it seems like Shed Tail subs are still 25% HP.
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Also can confirm this, happened in a raid where Primeape evo got confused after using Outrage on my Flutter Mane
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From a very brief rest with Lucario it seems the sub takes 50% HP, but its only 25% HP in size.
Lv 65 Orthworm with 182hp lost 91hp for the sub
Then we had Lucario use a level 54 Iron Hands Seismic Toss which broke it in 1 hit (which would mean it is less than 54hp in size)
Not perfect for 25%, but it would make sense for it to be that size - it also would not have broken if it was 1/3rd HP either (60hp)
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Tested again with Level 42 Primeape with SToss - did not break the same sub.
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does the same happen if it's blocked by Protect, misses on semi-invuln, etc?
Yep, those rolls line up with a 1.3x Attack boost! Presumably actually 5325/4096, like GF likes to do since Gen 5. And yes, I checked, those rolls specifically would only occur with an Attack boost, not a base power or damage boost (i.e. Life Orb).
IIRC Last Respects has a BP cap of 250. Does Rage Fist have a similar BP cap?
How much does snow boost the Defense of Ice-types? I'm assuming 50%, like sandstorm does for the SpDef of Rock-types?
I have pictures now. Tested with 81 Atk Primeape and 52 Def Deino
These are the calcs for Rage Fist on Deino:
Lvl 35 0 Atk Primeape Shadow Punch (50 BP) vs. Lvl 41 0 HP / 0 Def Deino: 11-13 (10.8 - 12.8%) -- possible 8HKO
Lvl 35 0 Atk Primeape Shadow Punch (100 BP) vs. Lvl 41 0 HP / 0 Def Deino: 21-25 (20.7 - 24.7%) -- guaranteed 5HKO
Lvl 35 0 Atk Primeape Shadow Punch (300 BP) vs. Lvl 41 0 HP / 0 Def Deino: 64-75 (63.3 - 74.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
These are the tests done:
control test: Attack with Rage Fist without getting damaged
test 1: Sub up first, get Sub broken, Attack with Rage Fist
test 2: Attack with Rage Fist after getting damaged 1 time
test 3: Attack with Rage Fist after getting damaged 2 times
test 4: Attack with Rage Fist after getting damaged 6 times
test 5: Attack with Rage Fist after getting damaged 10 times
Deino's HP after getting hit by Rage Fist:
control test: 90/101
test 1: 89/101
test 2: 78/101
test 3: 67/101
test 4: 26/101
test 5: 17/101
You can view the pictures for the same results.
Conclusion:
- Rage Fist BP increase scales similarly to Last Respects (+50 for each hit taken)
- Damage dealt to a Substitute does not increase Rage Fist's BP
- There is a BP cap to Rage Fist (
probably 300edit: looks to be 350)
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Huh, so it does seem like it caps at 300 then, thanks! :) Idk where but I read somewhere that the move BP for Rage Fist/Last Respects would get capped when it reaches 255, so I thought would stop at 250 itself (or maybe 255) and not 300 BP. But maybe once the BP crosses 255 it can't increase any further.
So does this mean Last Respects also caps at 300 BP and not 250? It's probably confirmed in an earlier comment but I can't find it.
Edit: Also, while we are on the topic of Last Respects, just to confirm, if one of your Pokemon gets revived courtesy of Revival Blessings/a Revive in game, does Last Respects reduce in Power?
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Actually, looking at the damage dealt to Deino, the BP cap for Rage Fist is looking more like 350 BP than 300 BP. The final pic has Deino HP at 17, so it received 101 - 17 = 84 points of damage, which would fall within the second calc. Someone else should probably test this to confirm.
Lvl 35 0 Atk Primeape Shadow Punch (300 BP) vs. Lvl 41 0 HP / 0 Def Deino: 64-75 (60.3 - 70.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Lvl 35 0 Atk Primeape Shadow Punch (350 BP) vs. Lvl 41 0 HP / 0 Def Deino: 74-88 (69.8 - 83%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Tried testing the Houndstone thing while I was doing the Rage Fist test by sacrificing and reviving Wigletts repeatedly, and can confirm that revived team mates do not reduce Last Respects BP (Deino just straight up died).
Hmm you're right, it can't be 300 based on that damage calc. 350 BP seems like a very arbitrary cap, but yes based on the damage calcs:
300 BP: 63.3 - 74.2% (64-75)
350 BP: 73.2 - 87.1% (74-88)
400 BP: 84.1 - 99% (85-100)
84 points of damage i.e. 83.17% seems to suggest that it can't be 300 or 400 BP.
Also, in your test 4, where Primeape was damaged 6 times, the damage is 75 points. That could be a high roll 300 or a low roll 350 BP. But it does support the possibility of a 350 BP cap as the BP of Rage Fist after 6 hits would be 50 + 50*6 = 350 BP.
Still, it would be nice for others to test it out as well and give us further confirmation.
So regarding the Last respects test, does this mean if you keep Reviving mons and fainting them you can keep increasing the Last Respects BP unlimitedly? Or is there a cap for that as well? I guess since Deino died if there is a cap it would be more than 400 BP at the very least.
This is how PS implements the 2 moves at the moment:
Definitely worth some research to confirm what exactly happens.
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Can someone confirm that for similar cases like Petal Dance and Sap Sipper?
Attacking a Sap Sipper mon with Petal Dance does not cause the Petal Dance user to become confused.
Last Respects Testing Results
Tests 1 to 7 used a 115 Def Level 60 Zweilous, Test 8 used a 94 Def Level 58 Zweilous because I forgot to buy a Toxic Orb.
Test 1: No Wigletts Sacrificed (153/163) - 10 damage dealt
Test 2: 1 Wiglett Sacrificed (143/163) - 20 damage dealt
Test 3: 2 Wigletts Sacrificed (134/163) - 29 damage dealt
Test 4: 2 Houndstones and 2 Wigletts Sacrificed (120/163) - 43 damage dealt
Test 5: Memento Tatsugiri and Wiglett on a crit (woops) (121/163) - 42 damage dealt
Test 6: Memento Tatsugiri and Wiglett (134/163) - 29 damage dealt
Test 7: 9 Wigletts Sacrificed (70/163) - 93 damage dealt
Potential number of teammates that can faint in a 6v6 singles game is 9 (2 Revival Blessing users with Leppa Berry)
Lvl 40 0 Atk Banette Shadow Punch (50 BP) vs. Lvl 60 0 HP / 0+ Def Zweilous: 9-11 (5.5 - 6.7%) -- possibly the worst move ever
Lvl 40 0 Atk Banette Shadow Punch (100 BP) vs. Lvl 60 0 HP / 0+ Def Zweilous: 17-21 (10.4 - 12.8%) -- possible 8HKO
Lvl 40 0 Atk Banette Shadow Punch (150 BP) vs. Lvl 60 0 HP / 0+ Def Zweilous: 26-31 (15.9 - 19%) -- possible 6HKO
Lvl 40 0 Atk Banette Shadow Punch (300 BP) vs. Lvl 60 0 HP / 0+ Def Zweilous: 51-61 (31.2 - 37.4%) -- 87% chance to 3HKO
Lvl 40 0 Atk Banette Shadow Punch (450 BP) vs. Lvl 60 0 HP / 0+ Def Zweilous: 78-92 (47.8 - 56.4%) -- 84.8% chance to 2HKO (8 deaths)
Lvl 40 0 Atk Banette Shadow Punch (500 BP) vs. Lvl 60 0 HP / 0+ Def Zweilous: 86-102 (52.7 - 62.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (9 deaths)
Test 8: Toxic Orb Primeape and Wiglett (125/158) - 33 damage dealt
Lvl 40 0 Atk Banette Shadow Punch (150 BP) vs. Lvl 58 0 HP / 0+ Def Zweilous: 32-38 (20.2 - 24%) -- guaranteed 5HKO
86 Atk Houndstone vs 115 Def Zweilous
0 Sacrifices (read as Wiglett)
1 Wiglett
2 Wiglett
1 Tatsugiri Memento + 1 Wiglett
1 Tatsugiri Memento + 1 Wiglett on a Critical Hit
2 Houndstones + 2 Wigletts
9 Wiglett
86 Atk Houndstone vs 94 Def Zweilous
Toxic Orb Primeape + Wiglett
0 Sacrifices (read as Wiglett)
86 Atk Houndstone vs 94 Def Zweilous
Toxic Orb Primeape + Wiglett
Sorry for the clutter. Here's the conclusion I drew:
- Last Respects BP increases by 50 for each Pokemon that faints on your team (expected)
- Last Respects BP increases when your own Pokemon intentionally faints themselves
- Last Respects BP increases when your own Pokemon faints to status (Toxic, Burn)
- The user's own fainting count towards the Last Respects BP increase
- There is no potential hard cap to Last Respects maximum BP
Does this also work with Supreme Overlord in the same way?