Vetoes
While a lot of our subs have been fantastic this slate, some of them we (The Council) believe may either be too strong or need a few tweaks in order to be better suited for the current meta. These subs have been listed below, with notes on what we (The Council) think is making it too strong and what we (The Council) think you (The Submitter) should do to make it more suitable.
In no particular order:
Pika Xreme This submission is fine, but it must share a typing with the base Pokemon - Silver Bullet needs to be at least part Water-type. Make this change and this will be fine
RedwoodRogue Please finish your submissions :(
PokePoindexter Please also finish your submissions :(
MegaFlareon We believe Monster Surfer exhibits too many good traits considering the lack of viable Grass-types in the current meta. We recommend lowering this submission's Speed by -10 as a result
Turtlek Unfortunately, we feel we have to veto all of your submissions due to the overwhelming power of their custom moves. In order of appearance:
- Wrapping Storm having a potentially infinitely long duration is just broken. If you need an explanation for why, just read up on why Shadow Tag and Arena Trap are broken
- Any OHKO move is broken, and Faithful Hope is no exception. Again, just read up on why OHKO moves are broken (basically, having a 30% chance to delete a member of the opponent's team is incredibly unhealthy)
- For Sea Debris hazard that can deal 25% to
any type asides from Water is broken. Regardless of it other hazards can be stacked alongside of it \
- Bane of the Undeads suffers from the same issues as Faithful Hope
We
highly recommend that you remove or massively rework these custom moves. If possible, we also recommend that you join our Discord Server (linked in the OP) and send any future submissions to our submission-feedback channel
Additionally, we recommend Weed Hunter have -10 removed from its Attack, as Shell Smash alongside 164 Atk is incredibly scary.
Vulcano Spiteful should also have Roost removed and its stats edited, as they currently exceed the 570 BST restriction
Revenge of Depressed Gay For Corrosive Claw, this submission is really just another Weavile/Sneasler, two Pokemon that are either QBed (spoiler) or are on the watchlist. At the moment it would be the second fasted Pokemon. We recommend that you remove Dire Claw and Triple Axel from its movepool, as everything asides from this submission's movepool are otherwise acceptable
SirPuppet With Rainbow Light's current bulk, we believe the addition of recovery with Moonlight pushes this submission over the edge. As such, we recommend removing Moonlight from its movepool
SparkRolf Firstly, Loyal Flame is fine, but we recommend Fervor Oath be changed to No Retreat. As it stands right now, we do not believe No Retreat would be unbalanced on Loyal Flame, and using an already-existing move over a custom saves time with coding.
Additionally, Bitter Bog is, we feel, too much for the current meta defensively. A HP reduction of -20 is what we recommend
Double Iron Bash For Sea Wraith, we believe its sliightly too hard hitting for the current meta. A -10 SpA drop is recommended because of this.
Also, we recommend axing Accelerock from False Algae's movepool.
Also also, we have some concerns regarding Sand Dollar. At the moment, it massively competes with Clodsire, sharing many of the same tools as Clodsire but boasting a far better bulk. That doesn't mean you should buff it defensively! Instead we highly recommend that you rework Sand Dollar so that it has a distinct role from Clodsire
Samtendo09 Firstly, for Broken Heart, we believe that this submission's high offenses coupled with its incredibly high Speed and False Kiss would make it incredibly difficult to deal with both in the teambuilder and during a match. As such, we recommend nerfing False Kiss's secondary effect from a 100% chance to a 30% chance to activate
Secondly, Typhoon Balloon/Tragic Mask (please clarify which) has an incredible amount of bulk for such a strong Nasty Plot sweeper; a -20 HP cut is highly recommended, preferably with it being dumped into Atk
myself12 Flying Fanfare needs to have its BST reduced to 590
Quick Bans!
After discussion amongst the council, we have elected to
ban Weavile and Terastal
Weavile has a lot going for it: Dark/Ice STAB, incredible Speed, high Attack with SD and the ability to Pursuit trap to an overbearing degree. It should come as no surprise that Weavile is being Quick Banned; it received 5/5 votes to be banned
Terastalisation was allowed into the metagame in order to experiment with the gimmick. After close examination, however, we believe that tera is unfortunately not fit for this meta: BoE features many Pokemon that can take full advantage of tera, and the issues that it presents in SV OU and other official metagames are true here too. Like Weavile, it received 5/5 votes to be banned
There isn't much to say about the remaining radar mons, though it is worth mentioning that Ursaluna was not quick banned at this time due to the wish to continue experimenting with it. We fully recognise the power of The Bear, but wish to continue playing around with it before banning it. It received 2 Ban votes, 2 DNBs, and one vote to abstain
Vote results:
| Albatross | Ema Skye | Gekokeso | Bloopyghost | Regic Boat |
Weavile | Ban | Ban | Ban | Ban | Ban |
Terastal | Ban | Ban | Ban | Ban | Ban |
Ursaluna | Ban | DNB | Ban | Abstain | DNB |
Pelipper, Sneasler, Dragonite, Ninetales-Alola | DNB | DNB | DNB | DNB | DNB |
With all of that out of way,
48 Hour Warning for submissions! If you have questions then please pm anyone on the council (but not Albatross atm, as she'll be away for the next two days)