Mew is one I was considering, but
a) it's unranked in Natdex OU rn which obviously has a lot more powercreep from megas etc but it seems weird for it to be basically irrelevant in a similar tier if you're saying it's potentially banworthy in our format
b) in gen 9 it lost all recovery besides Drain Punch and Rest, lost Cosmic Power, lost some of its offensive moves in Knock Off, Sucker Punch, Explosion and Triple Axel, and lost utility in Toxic, Defog and Super Fang.
c) tera doesn't really change mew's counterplay - you're still limited by power on DD sets and speed on SD/NP sets and coverage on double dance sets. yeah sure if your opponent doesn't predict you you'll get a free turn of setup but Mew is not unstoppable after 1 turn.
Glastrier is not broken with Tera. A new type doesn't suddenly send a ZU mon to Ubers. I've used it in a Gen 9 draft league and it's still good on TR teams but it still suffers from a lack of reliable recovery & super slow speed allowing it to be revenge-killed. It already has Ice/Ground/Fighting coverage so rarely needs more unless it wants to tech to lure Corv or something; I just don't think Tera Glastrier is any more broken than a non-Tera'd Melmetal or Ursaluna.
As for the exact number, it's hard to say right now. I genuinely don't believe there are many mons besides Espathra and Regieleki that are balanced without Tera and broken with Tera. And hey even if it does surpass 10, at least that will be a clear sign that we need to take action. I just don't think we can make that call right now.
Non-Tera Espathra can't break past some of the best mons in the tier:![]()
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, plus almost any Tera Dark mon. Terastalisation is the reason why Espathra is Ubers.
I agree with your comments on Garg, though. I wouldn't support a ban at this stage. I just included it because it's one of the best Tera abusers and it's seemingly pretty controversial right now.
Shouldn't Pawmot be making more noise than just a regular UU?
It's fast. It's frail, but can easily come into passive stuff
It can revive a mon with one click
It can hit pretty hard with two 120 BP STAB Moves if it wants too
It can REVIVE a mon with one click TWICE per game
I agree with this. The only "threat" that a Pawmot brings is in 2 Revival Gifts. Especially if they bring back a Pokemon that your team needed 2 or more members to put down the first time. Revival Gift is the only reason that Pawmot really gets considered.I think Pawmot isn't necessarily a problem. It's damn annoying and bringing back a mon from the dead should definitely be looked at. I think the abuse of Leppa Berry is what's really annoying because Revival Blessing is made to be a 1 time move. Do I think there should be action? probably not right now but eventually I can see it being voted on during a survey.
It has been confirmed that this February 27th we are going to get a Pokémon Direct! With this in hand, time to do some intrusive questions
1) Any hopes for HOME?
2) Any Pokémon that you are hyped to see back?
3) Any Pokémon on the banlist that may or may not change thanks to the new environment?
It has been confirmed that this February 27th we are going to get a Pokémon Direct! With this in hand, time to do some intrusive questions
1) Any hopes for HOME?
2) Any Pokémon that you are hyped to see back?
3) Any Pokémon on the banlist that may or may not change thanks to the new environment?
I could very well be wrong on Ursaluna, and kinda hope I am because I'd love to see a Normal type hit Ubers for things only a Normal type can do, but I still don't see it. Yes, with elemental punches on its side it can 2HKO everything, but it's going to be outsped by everything and it puts itself on a hard timer where it can be switched around or hit with something else to bring it down quickly. It also requires a decent bit of team support and itself is going to have to use Tera to really break down some walls. You have to predict right to be able to take some down (eg Corviknight) and misread predictions really hurt when you're taking burn every turn. It really can't afford to switch into too much because unless it's taking something it's immune to, two hits will really hamper its ability to do more than down one Pokemon only to be revenged by what comes in, and team support to only do that isn't very meaningful. Your opponent can also mess with you via Tera themselves to earn a free turn and punish you.
It's only marginally more powerful than Ursarang was, and while it is significantly bulkier, I don't think it's bulky enough to be more than a gimmick.
It could probably do wonders with the usual dual screens shenanigans but so can things capable of full sweeping teams like Volcarona. I've seen too many hyped super powerful slow wallbreakers become rendered UUBL or close to it to put any stock into any these days.
like I said it was mainly stuff that just comes to mind. But the ability to generate free turns with Tera will elevate any viable set up sweeper. The best set up sweeper of the Tier will continue To be on the radar as long as Tera is giving them an Extra turn of set up, or coverage you don’t have.
It has been confirmed that this February 27th we are going to get a Pokémon Direct! With this in hand, time to do some intrusive questions
1) Any hopes for HOME?
2) Any Pokémon that you are hyped to see back?
3) Any Pokémon on the banlist that may or may not change thanks to the new environment?
Elevate? Yeah, of course. But it's not like every set up sweeper becomes banworth with Tera - just look at lower-tier mons.
isn't even RU this gen.
is by far the best Shell Smasher this gen and hasn't made it to OU despite it loving Tera.
can use Tera to get a free setup turn but still struggles with wallbreaking and being revenge-killed.
is OU but is gradually falling off in usage despite being a great Tera abuser and setup sweeper.
is UU despite also being a setup sweeper benefitting from Tera.
When lower tiers are managing Tera just fine, it's an indication that individual broken mons like Espathra are the real problem. Maybe I'm mistaken but I do think Tera is proving to be a healthy addition to some tiers.
3. I feel pretty strongly that Zamazenta, Spectrier, Magearna and Urshifu-Single-Strike should all be banned just like they were in Gen 8, hopefully relatively quickly. I'm also against retesting Flutter, Palafin, Annihilape, Chi-Yu etc; only mon really worth retesting is Chien-Pao and then maybe Houndstone if Last Respects is banned.
isn't even RU this gen
is OU but is gradually falling off in usage despite being a great Tera abuser and setup sweeper.
I tried vivilon a little, it is a fun gimmick.
Transfer moves isn't coming back, sadly. The reason they were removed is because of BDSP being made in an entirely different coding language than the rest of the series. Due to the conflict in coding language and code conversion needing to be done, they scrapped transfer moves and nuked everything going through HOME.1. hoping we regain transfer moves so that moves such as defog make a comeback. even though i'd hate to see knock off and toxic make a return to the metagame, i'd love it if pokemon like hydreigon or dragonite could function as defoggers again like they did last generation, especially since while great tusk is a phenomenal source of hazard removal, its lack of longevity really hurts its efficiency at its role. hydreigon and dragonite not only would lack this issue thanks to roost, but they'd also be able to force out and defog in front of gholdengo. having more variety in hazard removal than great tusk and i would be very nice
2. i'm excited to use magearna, regieleki and basculegion when they drop. assuming this also includes pokemon not already confirmed, i'm really hyped to use latios and tapu lele due to the amount of tera shenanigans they can pull on defensive checks, such as...
i know it's theorymonning at this point in time but come on, don't tell me like that doesn't look like fun
- 252+ SpA Choice Specs Tera Psychic Tapu Lele Psychic vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Blissey in Psychic Terrain: 324-382 (45.3 - 53.5%) -- 91.8% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
- 252+ SpA Choice Specs Tera Psychic Tapu Lele Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Slowking in Psychic Terrain: 224-264 (56.8 - 67%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
- 252 SpA Choice Specs Tera Dragon Latios Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Clodsire: 306-362 (65.9 - 78%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
- 252 SpA Choice Specs Tera Dragon Latios Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Dondozo: 400-472 (79.3 - 93.6%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
3. on the current banlist, houndstone is definitely getting unbanned and i could see shed tail receiving a suspect test and ban while cyclizar gets rereleased. the others are probably staying banned though
It has been confirmed that this February 27th we are going to get a Pokémon Direct! With this in hand, time to do some intrusive questions
1) Any hopes for HOME?
2) Any Pokémon that you are hyped to see back?
3) Any Pokémon on the banlist that may or may not change thanks to the new environment?
Other thing to keep in mind is that those are checks since Ape could do a lot of damage to them on a switch, especially since Ape was great on hazard stacking teams with it being a spin blocker. But yeah, we agree, tera wasn't what made Ape broken, it made Ape better of course especially against offense, but base Ape had several traits that made it overpowered on its own. Great bulk, moveset, typing, spin blocking, great base speed even uninvested against fat teams and RF punishing stuff like rocky helmet or U-turn was just to dumb and I believe that even when tera gone Ape would have been banned anyways since all of that is too much for defensive teams, making it a match up fishing mon. Also since Revival blessing was mentioned, another dumb thing about rage fist is that it keeps the boosts even after getting KO and revived.A counter is something that's able to switch in on any of its moves and able to revenge kill it and if we're referring to its Resto Chesto Sp.Def Bulk set, Specs Iron Valiant did that well
252+ SpA Choice Specs Iron Valiant Moonblast vs. 240 HP / 252+ SpD Annihilape: 372-440 (88.3 - 104.5%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO (Probably higher chance to OHKO if SR is out on the field)
Kilowattrel also did that pretty well, especially of SR is out on the field:
252+ SpA Choice Specs Kilowattrel Hurricane vs. 240 HP / 252+ SpD Annihilape: 392-464 (93.1 - 110.2%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO
Gallade as well:
252+ Atk Life Orb Sharpness Gallade Psycho Cut vs. 240 HP / 0 Def Annihilape: 572-678 (135.8 - 161%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Life Orb Sharpness Gallade Psycho Cut vs. +1 240 HP / 0 Def Annihilape: 382-452 (90.7 - 107.3%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO (After 1 Bulk up)
Most of its counters have to be faster than it and be able to at least take 1 hit from it and revenge kill it. If you're talking about its 252 HP / 252 Speed Jolly set its worse off with the 2 mons above not named Gallade.
Disclaimer where I don't want you to get it twisted, I think Annihilape is pretty broken with or without tera but I think if tera didn't exist there would be a bigger argument to keep in OU.
Edit, read what the council said about Ape during the ban specifically the 2nd paragraph:
I would like to see mons that we didn't see at gen 8, Gliscor for example could be a great addition, especially if keeps defog.1) Any hopes for HOME?
2) Any Pokémon that you are hyped to see back?
3) Any Pokémon on the banlist that may or may not change thanks to the new environment?
To answer my own questionIt has been confirmed that this February 27th we are going to get a Pokémon Direct! With this in hand, time to do some intrusive questions
1) Any hopes for HOME?
2) Any Pokémon that you are hyped to see back?
3) Any Pokémon on the banlist that may or may not change thanks to the new environment?
1. Some moveset things. Espeon and Sylveon get Mystical Fire. Sylveon had it in Gen 8, and Espeon should get it as it has an official depiction of being a witch. (Not related to OU obviously). I want Pokemon to get moves by Tutor, not by transfer moves. I think Rapid Spin makes hazards fun to interact with, and gives defensive Ghosts more prominence, which is hard right now considering how offensive Ghosts destroy them. Knock Off actively removes some skill in the builder, and removes choices from the player. Some Pokemon are essentially guaranteed to lose their item against most teamstyles, making that slot practically worthless, and sometimes downright a cosmetic choice rather than actually useful. I see some replies saying "not much Knock Off"; that's the thing with Transfer Moves. You don't get to pick.To answer my own question
1) New deffogers, and just a little more Knock off, but not too much and NO toxic, PLEASE
2) Magearna, and Chesnaught, 2 of my personal favorites, both now learn spikes, so maybe we can see Stell Stack with Gholdengo + Mag or Gholdengo + Chesnaught to troll both Corviknight and Great Tusk
3) Houndstone/Last Respects debate in my personal opinion was dumb and there was no point in which you could get lost, but with basculigeon, Hound will finally be on the tier and that MAYBE bring some use to Ttar as a Sand Partner for ONCE
A counter is something that's able to switch in on any of its moves and able to revenge kill it and if we're referring to its Resto Chesto Sp.Def Bulk set, Specs Iron Valiant did that well
252+ SpA Choice Specs Iron Valiant Moonblast vs. 240 HP / 252+ SpD Annihilape: 372-440 (88.3 - 104.5%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO (Probably higher chance to OHKO if SR is out on the field)
Kilowattrel also did that pretty well, especially of SR is out on the field:
252+ SpA Choice Specs Kilowattrel Hurricane vs. 240 HP / 252+ SpD Annihilape: 392-464 (93.1 - 110.2%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO
Gallade as well:
252+ Atk Life Orb Sharpness Gallade Psycho Cut vs. 240 HP / 0 Def Annihilape: 572-678 (135.8 - 161%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Life Orb Sharpness Gallade Psycho Cut vs. +1 240 HP / 0 Def Annihilape: 382-452 (90.7 - 107.3%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO (After 1 Bulk up)
Most of its counters have to be faster than it and be able to at least take 1 hit from it and revenge kill it. If you're talking about its 252 HP / 252 Speed Jolly set its worse off with the 2 mons above not named Gallade.
Disclaimer where I don't want you to get it twisted, I think Annihilape is pretty broken with or without tera but I think if tera didn't exist there would be a bigger argument to keep in OU.
Edit, read what the council said about Ape during the ban specifically the 2nd paragraph:
And for the future, Hisuian Zoroark will be true counter of Annihilape. it's typing makes it immune to Annihilape STAB moves
How would it get the Competitive boost switching in on Ape?Next up, this is a boost from Competitive.
+2 252+ SpA Choice Specs Kilowattrel Hurricane vs. 240 HP / 252+ SpD Annihilape: 786-926 (186.6 - 219.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Bruh if you're banking on Magearna staying in OU, I've got some bad news.....To answer my own question
1) New deffogers, and just a little more Knock off, but not too much and NO toxic, PLEASE
2) Magearna, and Chesnaught, 2 of my personal favorites, both now learn spikes, so maybe we can see Stell Stack with Gholdengo + Mag or Gholdengo + Chesnaught to troll both Corviknight and Great Tusk
3) Houndstone/Last Respects debate in my personal opinion was dumb and there was no point in which you could get lost, but with basculigeon, Hound will finally be on the tier and that MAYBE bring some use to Ttar as a Sand Partner for ONCE
Of course, I know, that's why I'm probably gonna use the 2 on a team, post a RMT, get 100000000000000000 Hahas and a Mag quickban the next dayBruh if you're banking on Magearna staying in OU, I've got some bad news.....
It has been confirmed that this February 27th we are going to get a Pokémon Direct! With this in hand, time to do some intrusive questions
1) Any hopes for HOME?
2) Any Pokémon that you are hyped to see back?
3) Any Pokémon on the banlist that may or may not change thanks to the new environment?