Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion

[kosecant]

Time to make a non shed tail orthworm set lmao


Orthworm @ leftovers
Ability: Earth Eater
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Tera Type: Poison
Careful Nature
- Coil
- Heavy Slam
- Body Press / Earthquake
- Spikes / Stealth Rock

Poison Tera type leaves Orth only weak to psychic thanks to earth eater, and gives it some very helpful resistances in the meta like fighting and grass. It can actually 1v1 Tusk, which is neat, as well as Meowscarda. It’s admittedly a pretty memey set, but I think it could legitimately put in some work

 

[Magcargo]

Surprised so many people saw Shed Tail ban as a given. I feel that it was largely an issue because the metagame is somewhat constrained as is and dealing with strong sweepers behind a sub is difficult, particularly when mixed w/ Tera which could give these sweepers 2 free turns in some cases. Factors unique to Orthworm like its ability to counter some of the metals biggest threats also made it more potent since it was reliable at getting the job done. In many ways, I don't see it as that different from Light Clay ban in lower tiers for similar reasons (in OU Grimm is extremely exploitable by some common mons like Gambit so light clay is not an issue).

I'm gonna miss Shed Tail. While it did enable some OP sweepers, it also enabled some really cool counterplay vs opposing sweepers. One of my favorites was using Shed Tail to pivot into a strong offensive threat as something like Dragonite is setting up so I didn't have to expend my Tera to check it. Significantly easing prediction for some strong frail offensive threats was also a great boon of the move.

 

[UnusualBoy]

By the way, speaking of HOME, which OverUsed Pokémon are likely to drop in use or even completely, and which ones are likely to rise?

You mean from the mons currently in the tier? I honestly don't know but I know it's gonna be a mess that's like 30 new mons with insane potential: Leki, the genies, the Hisuian mon, the bear bros, the kantonian and galarian birds, the galarian bros, Magearna, Heatran, Zarude, Hoopa, Spectrier.

It's gonna be like dropping a bomb, we'll see too much movement, can't wait.

 

[1LDK]

By the way, speaking of HOME, which OverUsed Pokémon are likely to drop in use or even completely, and which ones are likely to rise?

lets theorymon a bit about mons that are gonna change a lot, im gonna keep it as spoiler in case somebody still doesn't know about home and all the shit. and this will let me talk in a big way about the new mons, and this post will be a miscellaneous opinion about a lot of stuff

Theorymon, contains spoilers

it's the most interesting case I can think of, on one hand, Lando-T will force him to use defiant instead of SO, on the other hand, this means that Dondozo and especially Chesnaught can have a better time fending him off, chesnaught in particular is a great gambit check, forcing him to tera literally every single time if he even wants to have a chance to get past him

and sun in general will have some problems with Heatran, and heatran only lost toxic, so he doesn't give 2 shits about everyone else, but for the most part, its gonna be fine I guess.

this thing is gonna be on every single stall team from now on, as is the ONLY MON with Steam Eruption, representing the gen 5-8 scald bullshit that all stall lovers defend to this day. Its niche in OU is secured forever

Fire and ground types in general are gonna increase on the short team to handle magearna on the short term

is either going to the moon, or crashing in the ground, all the incoming power creep is gonna test how well his abilities can carry him, whirlwind + ruination + earthquake combo is always true

sus sus amoongus is probably dropping, too many fire types are gonna be around, spore is always good but idk man, also chesnaught blocks the fuck out of him

this thing can vary depending on the ratio of defoggers/spikers, especially is the defoggers have a good matchup against him, but hazard stack needs to be in an extremely bad shape for it to drop

most physical attackers are gonna seethe that this thing is back in business

he is dropping, Loaded Dice gave it a new life, but Zapdos cock blocks him of anything unless packing rock slide or stone miss, also chesnaught really really really fucks the shit out of him lmao

due to the tm reworks this gen, nobody will use him outside the hazard red card bullshit you guys have been using

will get competition from Enamorus as a fairy power house, but their movepool and abilitys are different enough to differentiate them, people will obsess more to the booster energy sets, which in my opinion sucks ass. But its position in the metagame will be untouched for the most part

Will probably not be broken anymore due to the power creep, everyone will gaslight everyone into thinking that gargnacl was never broken and if you think it was broken, you're just a minority ho cry baby who didn't just put covert cloak on every single mon in your team. Still, there's some flying and steels types coming, so he will be fine I guess

for the love of god stop using chain chomp, if this thing drops to UU, its YOUR FAULT, and yours only "bUt Its hIS bESt SeT" shut the fuck up, please please please shut the fuck up

he will be forced to only tera ground tera blast sets to handle heatran, which will force heatran to tera fairy or grass to also handle both volc and wake or just volc. He is literally praying for tera to not get ban. But Volcarona ALWAYS ends in A- at the end of the gen

The band set will probably disappear from the face of the earth, but scarf is gonna be viable, and Booster is for once an actual useful item on this mon, so he will be fine

she doesn't like that her main source of damage will get blocked, but access to knock off will secure her a niche, not to mention her big movepool

These are just some thoughts tho, hope you like them

 

[ausma]

due to the tm reworks this gen, nobody will use him outside the hazard red card bullshit you guys have been using

massively disagree with this, mew having tera at its disposal essentially remedies one of its biggest flaws: a highly exploitable defensive typing. this can also give it stab on whatever coverage move it wants too. i think mew will be very very solid.

barring some more obvious dynamics (magearna and lr basculegion are probably going to be stupid) it's very difficult to assess what will happen. even using natdex as a metric is difficult seeing as it also has mega evolutions, z-moves, and deleted moves/enhanced move distribution. i'm open to talking about it for fun, but i wouldn't get too deep into conversation simply because arguments will be very circular by merit of it being pure theorymon.

 

[Mega Breloom]

lets theorymon a bit about mons that are gonna change a lot, im gonna keep it as spoiler in case somebody still doesn't know about home and all the shit. and this will let me talk in a big way about the new mons, and this post will be a miscellaneous opinion about a lot of stuff

Theorymon, contains spoilers

it's the most interesting case I can think of, on one hand, Lando-T will force him to use defiant instead of SO, on the other hand, this means that Dondozo and especially Chesnaught can have a better time fending him off, chesnaught in particular is a great gambit check, forcing him to tera literally every single time if he even wants to have a chance to get past him

and sun in general will have some problems with Heatran, and heatran only lost toxic, so he doesn't give 2 shits about everyone else, but for the most part, its gonna be fine I guess.

this thing is gonna be on every single stall team from now on, as is the ONLY MON with Steam Eruption, representing the gen 5-8 scald bullshit that all stall lovers defend to this day. Its niche in OU is secured forever

Fire and ground types in general are gonna increase on the short team to handle magearna on the short term

is either going to the moon, or crashing in the ground, all the incoming power creep is gonna test how well his abilities can carry him, whirlwind + ruination + earthquake combo is always true

sus sus amoongus is probably dropping, too many fire types are gonna be around, spore is always good but idk man, also chesnaught blocks the fuck out of him

this thing can vary depending on the ratio of defoggers/spikers, especially is the defoggers have a good matchup against him, but hazard stack needs to be in an extremely bad shape for it to drop

most physical attackers are gonna seethe that this thing is back in business

he is dropping, Loaded Dice gave it a new life, but Zapdos cock blocks him of anything unless packing rock slide or stone miss, also chesnaught really really really fucks the shit out of him lmao

due to the tm reworks this gen, nobody will use him outside the hazard red card bullshit you guys have been using

will get competition from Enamorus as a fairy power house, but their movepool and abilitys are different enough to differentiate them, people will obsess more to the booster energy sets, which in my opinion sucks ass. But its position in the metagame will be untouched for the most part

Will probably not be broken anymore due to the power creep, everyone will gaslight everyone into thinking that gargnacl was never broken and if you think it was broken, you're just a minority ho cry baby who didn't just put covert cloak on every single mon in your team. Still, there's some flying and steels types coming, so he will be fine I guess

for the love of god stop using chain chomp, if this thing drops to UU, its YOUR FAULT, and yours only "bUt Its hIS bESt SeT" shut the fuck up, please please please shut the fuck up

he will be forced to only tera ground tera blast sets to handle heatran, which will force heatran to tera fairy or grass to also handle both volc and wake or just volc. He is literally praying for tera to not get ban. But Volcarona ALWAYS ends in A- at the end of the gen

The band set will probably disappear from the face of the earth, but scarf is gonna be viable, and Booster is for once an actual useful item on this mon, so he will be fine

she doesn't like that her main source of damage will get blocked, but access to knock off will secure her a niche, not to mention her big movepool

These are just some thoughts tho, hope you like them

Volcanion probably will run scald over steam eruption on stall because the PP count but I might be wrong. There is not way Magearna will stay on OU, it got spikes and access to tera for easy set up.
Gren is most likely to drop too. Meow just does its job better thanks to being 1 point faster.
Drige also might drop idk, it depends too much on tera and the powercreep might be too much for it.

 

[G-Luke]

lets theorymon a bit about mons that are gonna change a lot, im gonna keep it as spoiler in case somebody still doesn't know about home and all the shit. and this will let me talk in a big way about the new mons, and this post will be a miscellaneous opinion about a lot of stuff

Theorymon, contains spoilers

it's the most interesting case I can think of, on one hand, Lando-T will force him to use defiant instead of SO, on the other hand, this means that Dondozo and especially Chesnaught can have a better time fending him off, chesnaught in particular is a great gambit check, forcing him to tera literally every single time if he even wants to have a chance to get past him

and sun in general will have some problems with Heatran, and heatran only lost toxic, so he doesn't give 2 shits about everyone else, but for the most part, its gonna be fine I guess.

this thing is gonna be on every single stall team from now on, as is the ONLY MON with Steam Eruption, representing the gen 5-8 scald bullshit that all stall lovers defend to this day. Its niche in OU is secured forever

Fire and ground types in general are gonna increase on the short team to handle magearna on the short term

is either going to the moon, or crashing in the ground, all the incoming power creep is gonna test how well his abilities can carry him, whirlwind + ruination + earthquake combo is always true

sus sus amoongus is probably dropping, too many fire types are gonna be around, spore is always good but idk man, also chesnaught blocks the fuck out of him

this thing can vary depending on the ratio of defoggers/spikers, especially is the defoggers have a good matchup against him, but hazard stack needs to be in an extremely bad shape for it to drop

most physical attackers are gonna seethe that this thing is back in business

he is dropping, Loaded Dice gave it a new life, but Zapdos cock blocks him of anything unless packing rock slide or stone miss, also chesnaught really really really fucks the shit out of him lmao

due to the tm reworks this gen, nobody will use him outside the hazard red card bullshit you guys have been using

will get competition from Enamorus as a fairy power house, but their movepool and abilitys are different enough to differentiate them, people will obsess more to the booster energy sets, which in my opinion sucks ass. But its position in the metagame will be untouched for the most part

Will probably not be broken anymore due to the power creep, everyone will gaslight everyone into thinking that gargnacl was never broken and if you think it was broken, you're just a minority ho cry baby who didn't just put covert cloak on every single mon in your team. Still, there's some flying and steels types coming, so he will be fine I guess

for the love of god stop using chain chomp, if this thing drops to UU, its YOUR FAULT, and yours only "bUt Its hIS bESt SeT" shut the fuck up, please please please shut the fuck up

he will be forced to only tera ground tera blast sets to handle heatran, which will force heatran to tera fairy or grass to also handle both volc and wake or just volc. He is literally praying for tera to not get ban. But Volcarona ALWAYS ends in A- at the end of the gen

The band set will probably disappear from the face of the earth, but scarf is gonna be viable, and Booster is for once an actual useful item on this mon, so he will be fine

she doesn't like that her main source of damage will get blocked, but access to knock off will secure her a niche, not to mention her big movepool

These are just some thoughts tho, hope you like them

What about Volcanion suggests that it fits on Stall????

 

[1LDK]

Im in phone so sorry for grammar

massively disagree with this, mew having tera at its disposal essentially remedies one of its biggest flaws: a highly exploitable defensive typing. this can also give it stab on whatever coverage move it wants too. i think mew will be very very solid.

barring some more obvious dynamics (magearna and lr basculegion are probably going to be stupid) it's very difficult to assess what will happen. even using natdex as a metric is difficult seeing as it also has mega evolutions, z-moves, and deleted moves/enhanced move distribution. i'm open to talking about it for fun, but i wouldn't get too deep into conversation simply because arguments will be very circular by merit of it being pure theorymon.

Good point, havent though about it that way, maybe offensive mew is a thing again, would be sweet

Volcanion probably will run scald over steam eruption on stall because the PP count but I might be wrong. There is not way Magearna will stay on OU, it got spikes and access to tera for easy set up.
Gren is most likely to drop too. Meow just does its job better thanks to being 1 point faster.
Drige also might drop idk, it depends too much on tera and the powercreep might be too much for it.

What about Volcanion suggests that it fits on Stall????

As mega breloom said, scald/steam eruption is a massive thing 30% burn rate is insane, so its gonna be the new source of irritation. Go for what you want really

 

[pika pal]

lets theorymon a bit about mons that are gonna change a lot, im gonna keep it as spoiler in case somebody still doesn't know about home and all the shit. and this will let me talk in a big way about the new mons, and this post will be a miscellaneous opinion about a lot of stuff


and sun in general will have some problems with Heatran, and heatran only lost toxic, so he doesn't give 2 shits about everyone else, but for the most part, its gonna be fine I guess.

this thing is gonna be on every single stall team from now on, as is the ONLY MON with Steam Eruption, representing the gen 5-8 scald bullshit that all stall lovers defend to this day. Its niche in OU is secured forever

is either going to the moon, or crashing in the ground, all the incoming power creep is gonna test how well his abilities can carry him, whirlwind + ruination + earthquake combo is always true

this thing can vary depending on the ratio of defoggers/spikers, especially is the defoggers have a good matchup against him, but hazard stack needs to be in an extremely bad shape for it to drop

he is dropping, Loaded Dice gave it a new life, but Zapdos cock blocks him of anything unless packing rock slide or stone miss, also chesnaught really really really fucks the shit out of him lmao

Will probably not be broken anymore due to the power creep, everyone will gaslight everyone into thinking that gargnacl was never broken and if you think it was broken, you're just a minority ho cry baby who didn't just put covert cloak on every single mon in your team. Still, there's some flying and steels types coming, so he will be fine I guess

The band set will probably disappear from the face of the earth, but scarf is gonna be viable, and Booster is for once an actual useful item on this mon, so he will be fine

These are just some thoughts tho, hope you like them

Comments on a few of these

- While I could see Sun itself taking a hit from Heatran reappearing, Walking Wake only suffers by Proxy, because it absolutely eats Heatran in the absence of Toxic. Also depends if Rain becomes more prominent since WW is a decent Anti-Meta check to Sun on Rain along with some old trouble makers like certain Grass Types.

- Volcanion's still a massive beatstick and I don't really see what it adds to Stall besides the Burns (which conflicts often with Toxic usage) considering he stacks weaknesses to Electric, Ground, and Rock (which don't play well with Clod or Dondozo for example) without reliable recovery or bringing a particularly unique defensive profile or resistance set on the flipside.

- Not sure Ting-Lu's gonna change much unless the types it's weak against specifically are what improve. It already mostly serves as a fat blanket check on the back of raw Bulk, given the Meta involves a lot of Mons that hit it neutrally or SE (whether he's actually a check to them or just as far as the offensive state of things in general); including Tusk, Grass Volc, Iron Valiant, Baxcalibur, Wake, Greninja, and Meowscarada for just the A-Ranks. It's kind of the weird state of Blanket checks where their burden plateaus after a while since only so many of the things they check can reasonably show up on one team at once.

- Gholdengo feels like he drops from dominance but with one of the best typings in the game and that ability are hard to really take out of relevance. Maybe half his sets will work compared to before but a Nasty Plot user with that amount of set-up opportunity isn't gonna go out of style against Defense.

- Only thing I have to say for Breloom is why would it be Rock Slide instead of Rock Tomb for hitting Birds given the Speed Drop and Technician Boost? Also if you're gonna shill for Chesnaught I'm going to shill for my own Grass and say Breloom commonly runs Tera Fire already, which 2HKOs after Rocks.

- Garg if anything is going to become more prominent with Heatran in the game. Sure he might not be the center of attention, but Salt Cure in tandem with stuff like Magma Storm chip, yet more Hazard Stacking options, and more stuff needing generalized fat checks like him is going to keep his usage high if anything.

- Moon will benefit more from sets with different Tera typings since we'll have more resistances to its STABs and Enamorus for one as a Fairy that would much abuse a set up chance.

 

[1LDK]

Really glad im sparking discussion with my unbelivable charisma and knoledge of the meta shit opinions

- While I could see Sun itself taking a hit from Heatran reappearing, Walking Wake only suffers by Proxy, because it absolutely eats Heatran in the absence of Toxic. Also depends if Rain becomes more prominent since WW is a decent Anti-Meta check to Sun on Rain along with some old trouble makers like certain Grass Types.

- Volcanion's still a massive beatstick and I don't really see what it adds to Stall besides the Burns (which conflicts often with Toxic usage)

Havent looked at heatran too much, but in sun, solar beam looks decent, tera blast is also decent, and if your not running 1 of the 2, taunt, flash cannon, rocks or even wow seem decent, idk toxic was that big on heatran

For the volcanion convo, im not a stall expert in the slighest, but having the option of scald or posion thd opponent is always gonna be valuable

On ting lu, i never said he was gonna change, i just said that depending on how strong the power creep is, his usage will rise or drop

On the breloom. I forgot rock tomb lmao, but heres a problem, rock tomb, tera blast, mach punch and bullet seed will left him with no space for spore or sd, so you have drop one

And on garg i really hope your wrong, because salt cure + magma Storm + future sight + toxic or wow sounds really cancer lmao

 

[BolTingBlazie]

Gren is most likely to drop too. Meow just does its job better thanks to being 1 point faster.

Kind of a stretch on Greninja honestly, Gren has one very important thing over Cinderace and Meow, and that is a good special attacking stat and an insane movepool, a combination neither of the other two have. Meow may have flower trick and some alright coverage, but it would die for the movepools Greninja and Cinderace have.

On a different note, while battle bond is super risky to use when it returns since protean is overall better from what it seems, specs battle bond could be absolutely nasty to deal with considering most specs gren want to do as much damage as possible while staying in anyway, and that boost allows specs gren to do silly damage as I have seen in randbats before. Only issue is haze users or water absorb pokemon for specs sets as far as battle bond goes.

Time to make a non shed tail orthworm set lmao


Orthworm @ leftovers
Ability: Earth Eater
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Tera Type: Poison
Careful Nature
- Coil
- Heavy Slam
- Body Press / Earthquake
- Spikes / Stealth Rock

Poison Tera type leaves Orth only weak to psychic thanks to earth eater, and gives it some very helpful resistances in the meta like fighting and grass. It can actually 1v1 Tusk, which is neat, as well as Meowscarda. It’s admittedly a pretty memey set, but I think it could legitimately put in some work

I prefer ghost to occassionally blank great tusk and set hazards on it, since tusk is everywhere and it can't hit a tera ghost orthworm.

 

[`ShadowTwo]

And Greninja can maybe have Battle Bond with Home

 

[DaddyBuzzwole]

And Greninja can maybe have Battle Bond with Home

battle bond got nerfed into the ground, it's actually worse than protean now. instead of turning into a mon that should have been ubers, greninja just gets +1 to its attacking stats and speed now, which is technically better than ashgren statistically but also wears off after switching, so it's a lot harder to run specs on it

 

[SpritePony]

And Greninja can maybe have Battle Bond with Home

A highly nerfed version of Battle Bond, but yes.

 

[`ShadowTwo]

Yes I know, but this adds an additionnal option for him

 

[DaddyBuzzwole]

Yes I know, but this adds an additionnal option for him

in the same way that breaking my leg adds an additional option for me to get from place to place, sure

 

[BolTingBlazie]

battle bond got nerfed into the ground, it's actually worse than protean now. instead of turning into a mon that should have been ubers, greninja just gets +1 to its attacking stats and speed now, which is technically better than ashgren statistically but also wears off after switching, so it's a lot harder to run specs on it

Yes I understand battle bond did get nerfed and that it is worse than protean now, just pointing out a situation where it would be good. Besides when you are using specs gren there is no drawback other than locking yourself in and commiting to wallbreaking things as hard as possible essentially anyway, I am simply pointing out a scenario where it could be really good, as under specs it could be pretty brutal to switch into dark pulses or hydro pumps/surfs on a +1, even if it can be countered pretty hard with a haze or a red card now. (Which if we still had shed tail would be a lot more of an issue, but not many pokemon run red card anymore now that shed tail is gone.) My point being while protean is still better, battle bond could be insanely good on certain sets, especially choice item sets where you wanna hit things for as much damage as possible before going down anyway.

 

[dsbruce]

is either going to the moon, or crashing in the ground, all the incoming power creep is gonna test how well his abilities can carry him, whirlwind + ruination + earthquake combo is always true

sus sus amoongus is probably dropping, too many fire types are gonna be around, spore is always good but idk man, also chesnaught blocks the fuck out of him

this thing can vary depending on the ratio of defoggers/spikers, especially is the defoggers have a good matchup against him, but hazard stack needs to be in an extremely bad shape for it to drop

all of these mons will be fine lol. in particular ting lu will always exist in this fucked up setup sweeper gen as its best phaser. also chestnaught will be FartU lol

he is dropping, Loaded Dice gave it a new life, but Zapdos cock blocks him of anything unless packing rock slide or stone miss, also chesnaught really really really fucks the shit out of him lmao

it's so joever for my beautiful son.

i also bet scizor gets better with home

 

[BolTingBlazie]

all of these mons will be fine lol. in particular ting lu will always exist in this fucked up setup sweeper gen as its best phaser. also chestnaught will be FartU lol

Chesnaught will probably be insanely good in RU at least as always, although could be UU before dlc drops.

 

[Jonbot]

When HOME comes out, I would still like us to be able to play Basculegion Last Respects at least a day before the ban on the move, so that we can enjoy it a bit and be hilarious in front of the absurd power of LR.

ORRRRR we save ourselves the trouble of having 1 day of a really bad meta w/ full memento + pelipper teams

 

[JMan1008]

When HOME comes out, I would still like us to be able to play Basculegion Last Respects at least a day before the ban on the move, so that we can enjoy it a bit and be hilarious in front of the absurd power of LR.

Why not just play it in Ubers where it'll still be cracked? It'd require a single neuron firing to time the pelliper properly to make sure drizzle wasn't cancelled by koraidon's sun, but as long as you don't play awfully it'd be a genuine threat even up there. OU just got playable please don't ask for it to suck again especially with how much HOME is gonna break things

 

[Eeveeto]

252+ Atk Choice Band Basculegion Last Respects (300 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Tablets of Ruin Wo-Chien: 195-231 (52.1 - 61.7%) -- 97.7% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

No Wo Chien reaction this time. I will welcome back the ghost doggo much more than the ugly lizard that just dropped.

 

[Just_Aaron]

Basculin-W waiting to tear all tiers apart while people focuses on it's evolution.

 

[Schpoonman]

all of these mons will be fine lol. in particular ting lu will always exist in this fucked up setup sweeper gen as its best phaser. also chestnaught will be FartU lol



it's so joever for my beautiful son.

i also bet scizor gets better with home

Breloom gets Rock Tomb, a 60 BP move that lowers its target's speed by one stage. GameFreak had to "buff" Low Sweep to 65 BP, the bastards.

Surprised so many people saw Shed Tail ban as a given. I feel that it was largely an issue because the metagame is somewhat constrained as is and dealing with strong sweepers behind a sub is difficult, particularly when mixed w/ Tera which could give these sweepers 2 free turns in some cases. Factors unique to Orthworm like its ability to counter some of the metals biggest threats also made it more potent since it was reliable at getting the job done. In many ways, I don't see it as that different from Light Clay ban in lower tiers for similar reasons (in OU Grimm is extremely exploitable by some common mons like Gambit so light clay is not an issue).

I'm gonna miss Shed Tail. While it did enable some OP sweepers, it also enabled some really cool counterplay vs opposing sweepers. One of my favorites was using Shed Tail to pivot into a strong offensive threat as something like Dragonite is setting up so I didn't have to expend my Tera to check it. Significantly easing prediction for some strong frail offensive threats was also a great boon of the move.

I actually have done this as well, but I think it also speaks to how problematic the move is that it served as both a powerful tool for aiding offense and a defensive "Oh shit" button.

 

[tr8orsrequiem]

lets theorymon a bit about mons that are gonna change a lot, im gonna keep it as spoiler in case somebody still doesn't know about home and all the shit. and this will let me talk in a big way about the new mons, and this post will be a miscellaneous opinion about a lot of stuff

Theorymon, contains spoilers

it's the most interesting case I can think of, on one hand, Lando-T will force him to use defiant instead of SO, on the other hand, this means that Dondozo and especially Chesnaught can have a better time fending him off, chesnaught in particular is a great gambit check, forcing him to tera literally every single time if he even wants to have a chance to get past him

and sun in general will have some problems with Heatran, and heatran only lost toxic, so he doesn't give 2 shits about everyone else, but for the most part, its gonna be fine I guess.

this thing is gonna be on every single stall team from now on, as is the ONLY MON with Steam Eruption, representing the gen 5-8 scald bullshit that all stall lovers defend to this day. Its niche in OU is secured forever

Fire and ground types in general are gonna increase on the short team to handle magearna on the short term

is either going to the moon, or crashing in the ground, all the incoming power creep is gonna test how well his abilities can carry him, whirlwind + ruination + earthquake combo is always true

sus sus amoongus is probably dropping, too many fire types are gonna be around, spore is always good but idk man, also chesnaught blocks the fuck out of him

this thing can vary depending on the ratio of defoggers/spikers, especially is the defoggers have a good matchup against him, but hazard stack needs to be in an extremely bad shape for it to drop

most physical attackers are gonna seethe that this thing is back in business

he is dropping, Loaded Dice gave it a new life, but Zapdos cock blocks him of anything unless packing rock slide or stone miss, also chesnaught really really really fucks the shit out of him lmao

due to the tm reworks this gen, nobody will use him outside the hazard red card bullshit you guys have been using

will get competition from Enamorus as a fairy power house, but their movepool and abilitys are different enough to differentiate them, people will obsess more to the booster energy sets, which in my opinion sucks ass. But its position in the metagame will be untouched for the most part

Will probably not be broken anymore due to the power creep, everyone will gaslight everyone into thinking that gargnacl was never broken and if you think it was broken, you're just a minority ho cry baby who didn't just put covert cloak on every single mon in your team. Still, there's some flying and steels types coming, so he will be fine I guess

for the love of god stop using chain chomp, if this thing drops to UU, its YOUR FAULT, and yours only "bUt Its hIS bESt SeT" shut the fuck up, please please please shut the fuck up

he will be forced to only tera ground tera blast sets to handle heatran, which will force heatran to tera fairy or grass to also handle both volc and wake or just volc. He is literally praying for tera to not get ban. But Volcarona ALWAYS ends in A- at the end of the gen

The band set will probably disappear from the face of the earth, but scarf is gonna be viable, and Booster is for once an actual useful item on this mon, so he will be fine

she doesn't like that her main source of damage will get blocked, but access to knock off will secure her a niche, not to mention her big movepool

These are just some thoughts tho, hope you like them

I have no idea why you keep mentioning Chesnaught as if it is at all ever going to be relevant in ou, especially with all the power creep this generation. Grass/Fighting is not an amazing typing and Chesnaught has very little else going for it.