NOC eli loves matrices game thread [Game Over, Town Win!]

Celever said:
FWIW removing the timing part of this just removes the S/S equity a little, and then replaces the S/S equity with the fact Psy jumped on the vote immediately. Like, immediately.

The immediacy of Psy's vote also uh, undermines his entire explanation of why he voted for OM (which is framed in bullet point 1). He argued it was for information on Schia, but he voted before Schia even posted their case. The specifics of Psy's argument for OM being a good vote to get info on Schia include Schia's reasoning and that they have done the manoeuvre before or pushing a D1 meta wagon onto town as scum. Considering Psy voted before Schia actually did the manoeuvre (simply just voted without that rationale) Psy's explanation is contradictory to the actual events.
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youre boiling my reasoning for om down to the om/schia dichotomy but ive stated a lot why i voted for om. firstly in the thread i stated that i had already thought about voting for om in place of where i voted for schia but didnt for whatever reason, so basically schia voting there confirmed that om was suspicious and made me feel okay to vote there as well also immediately jumping on wagons is just something i do all the time. i primarily PRIMARILY voted for om because i agreed with the reasons that schia was giving, and the om vs schia stuff was a secondary reasoning that i only thought of later anyway cause the way schia formed the push was reminding me of stuff ive seen them do as scum
 
Aura Guardian said:
Part of me was sus of Schia until that chart, in principle it's really helpful for interaction reads
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ill just throw down that meta wise, that type of busy work is definitely in line with stuff schia would do as scum for aesthetics. ill ALWAYS BRING UP the scumgame where they handwrote reads onto colorful post it notes as scum so the chart honestly made me a little more suspicious of them
 
Psypsypsypsypsythe said:
youre boiling my reasoning for om down to the om/schia dichotomy but ive stated a lot why i voted for om. firstly in the thread i stated that i had already thought about voting for om in place of where i voted for schia but didnt for whatever reason, so basically schia voting there confirmed that om was suspicious and made me feel okay to vote there as well also immediately jumping on wagons is just something i do all the time. i primarily PRIMARILY voted for om because i agreed with the reasons that schia was giving, and the om vs schia stuff was a secondary reasoning that i only thought of later anyway cause the way schia formed the push was reminding me of stuff ive seen them do as scum
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But you still voted before Schia gave any real reasoning, right?
Schiavetto said:
Was genuinely wondering how long it would take you to notice if I kept my vote there after dropping the post lmao. Crazy it took you this long.

I get home within the hour. There's a chance I move back to Cel or Psy but I'd actually much rather go here in the meantime:

Unvote Celever

Vote OM
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Schiavetto said:
AG's vote on me is hot road piss btw.
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Psypsypsypsypsythe said:
I had the thought for a while but I dont remember why I didnt point it out. figured no one would care I guess

vote om
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Schiavetto said:
Re:OM, he has difficulty posting as wolf and it's problematic that he has not produced enough content to make a determination regarding his alignment, so I'm here. Join me or don't, like I said I get home within the hour. See you then.
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This is the chronology of posts. Schia gave no reasoning until after you voted. It can't even be the primary reason for your vote.
 
Celever said:
Psy is town and actually Just Liked The OM Vote More (Schia is mafia or town)
  • Psy had previously voted Caff multiple times that day, and might have overall scumread them more than townread them? It's Psy, he doesn't have a solid platform on anything. That's why he's unreadable. But certainly, the hard shift from genuinely seemingly being willing to vote Caff out that day to landing on OM out of nowhere is odd. Frankly, this is part of what informed my vote for Caff, as not just the timing but this lack of progression is what really locked OM in as a flashwagon.
  • Psy's own explanation -- which is that he felt that if OM were town then we could just vote Schia out today, and so he wanted to flip OM. Immediately this is fascinating, because it doesn't loop Caff into the justification at all. Once again, Psy for the most part did not townread Caff in the thread, and this is a really shaky justification for a D1 flashwagon. OM provides information on one (1) slot in Schia, and even that is a fairly tenuous link full of assumptions. Caff is the information vote between the two because he provided content. Frankly there is a chance that this is a slight perspective slip, as (and I am happy to be signposted to where I'm wrong if I am, I think my brain is unable to hold the quantity of words Psy has posted in this thread in its chambers) I don't believe Psy has, even after the fact, really provided a balanced "I voted OM because and I didn't vote Caff because" argument, as though voting for Caff was never a viable option.
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i didnt vote caff because i preferred voting for om
 
Aura Guardian said:
An interesting counter-point to my read.
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FWIW I agree with Psy's counterpoint. Particularly considering there are some choices in that alignment chart that seem to be made for self-interest reasons (such as YouxCaff scumbuds being straight up white? Wild) I can't say the alignment chart makes me think they're town. It does seem on-meta and on-brand too.

I would like some colourful Post-It Notes though!
 
Celever said:
FWIW I agree with Psy's counterpoint. Particularly considering there are some choices in that alignment chart that seem to be made for self-interest reasons (such as YouxCaff scumbuds being straight up white? Wild) I can't say the alignment chart makes me think they're town. It does seem on-meta and on-brand too.

I would like some colourful Post-It Notes though!
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If I'd realized that getting the TvT-feeling argument to stall was as simple as getting something that wrong, I'd have done that an hour or two ago.
 
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