NOC Smalltown Hotel Mafia - Game Thread (MAFIA WINS)

[skippergamez]

M24 is very interesting, can you explain that one?

He voted for me

in all seriousness, he clearly, out of the blue, seemed to be voting with hal, who I’ve already scummed after the fact, but hasn’t explained his vote yet so I’ll wait

 

[Celever]

He voted for me

in all seriousness, he clearly, out of the blue, seemed to be voting with hal, who I’ve already scummed after the fact, but hasn’t explained his vote yet so I’ll wait

Nono, this is a good point fr

Vote M24

 

[Psypsypsypsypsythe]

...

 

[Celever]

I asked after it because I didn't remember any of M24's posts but that is extremely important behaviour considering the last we heard from them in the thread they hadn't caught up yet. Vote you out of the blue for no reason at all, after a vague "Tommy shouldn't use his abil at all" post which I'm not sure is even that legitimate? Wasn't in direct response to anything either.

 

[Psypsypsypsypsythe]

celever has set off so many alarm bells this game

 

[a fairy]

why was that a love and not a haha celever

 

[Celever]

celever has set off so many alarm bells this game

Hey, case me up bby

 

[JALMONT]

i believe people are told/should be told if they are poisoned, so like it will be outed anyway

this seems really bad because then we can just block the kill the night after??? assuming town/still alive ofc. which im not sure we can since mafia!kill blockers just don't block and town!blockers get killed these next 2 nights

 

[a fairy]

idt the poison kill can be blocked?

 

[Psypsypsypsypsythe]

i would assume we just cant block a poison

 

[Aura Guardian]

this is so lol. aura is within his scum meta

Until I flip town, it's the only meta I have, regardless of anything else.

 

[Celever]

this seems really bad because then we can just block the kill the night after??? assuming town/still alive ofc. which im not sure we can since mafia!kill blockers just don't block and town!blockers get killed these next 2 nights

" This role can only be roleblocked the day you use it, and not during the day your trap shoots and kills someone. " I interpret this to include kill delayer

 

[Psypsypsypsypsythe]

Until I flip town, it's the only meta I have, regardless of anything else.

well regardless, you should post real reads and content outside of "i dont like this person (that everyone townreads) so lets vote him off"

 

[Psypsypsypsypsythe]

wait how long is the day phase again

 

[Celever]

wanted to see his reaction

What did you glean?

hey ls/skip this isnt a boxing match for you guys to spectate. its also a game youre playing in so remember you can always offer your own thoughts too

Why did you view skipper as an onlooker here? They were actually really quite involved in the conversation.

kinda wish i showed at gamestart so i could stalk activity in case of discord maf chat pings, albeit it doesnt look like the scumteam had much time to prepare anyway

Wait considering the later post about Psy and myself having a brief discourse on Jalmont's activity and that being presented in a negative fashion, was this supposed to be a joke? Doesn't give that vibe to me tbh lol

iirc the people viewing at gamestart were like me, tommy, maybe jalmont? idk

I genuinely think (if Psy is maf, which I am not saying he is because of this) then Psy's buddies are people who throughout this argument he consistently kinda disregarded as being active in it and didn't call out much.

gun to my head I’d go with a skipper vote

I'm interested in how you feel about this slot now, and what made you feel this way at the time

vote dusk

I’m a little concerned that everyone is cool with dusk making a unilateral decision to change everyone’s roles. With an open setup in which we can influence who’s doing what I don’t understand why anyone would think this is a good idea other than the mafia to get good roles on their side.

imo like nuxl said we should be thinking about how to mechanically solve and more importantly committing to hold people accountable when they do things without consensus

Do find it interesting that Jalmont moved from this as their entrance to not including Tommy in the "to kill" list in their big mech post later. They added him back after I pointed out that the method only works if Tommy dies first, but it it's still a notable contradictory progression considering Jalmont is playing extremely game theory-based this game.

i actually scumread jalmont for this but im gonna play along for now

Why did you scumread him for it at the time? You flipped on this next he posted a bit.

Ok

I wasn’t going to do this today because I wanted more information but I think psy is town and I don’t want to go a full day of this and I thinkI have a pretty good idea of what’s going on in this game

we’re gonna lynch skippergamez tonight. Will gladiate if needed.

going with the level 1 read that calling nuxl Eli was just a scum slip

Why did you feel the need to pressure everyone with a potential gladiator usage here?

i voted celever and explained why hes scummy

Last you provided a read on me at this point I was hardcore in your town, I had to case myself why I was scummy. What changed between then and this post?

 

[Celever]

wait how long is the day phase again

48 hours

 

[Tommy]

do it now, for the bit please thanks it would be super funny I agree.

from what I'm seeing: Psy tunnels duskfall at gamestart for like, I guess being a good scum as shown by... Like, I guess his champs game? It's weird. Idgi and it was definitely too early to do something like this, but it's also psys regular behavior and it's really funny so like basically from what I'm understanding is that the first few pages are nothing of substance

I'm down to give this to Psy I think it would be really funny...

you watched my champs game?

 

[Tommy]

oj you dont have to just say things that sound correct to sound like you know what youre talking about its okay to just say how you feel without embellishing

well this is kinda ironic oops

 

[Celever]

Reads atm

Town Tier:
skippergamez -- Far more content-filled ISO than I previously thought, and overall good vibes. Has been contributing pretty well actually. Gave a premature reads list that really wasn't thought through that well but this is a playstyle quirk Smogon is more anti than other spaces, and especially if we take him at his word that this is the most serious mafia game he's played I don't view that as too indicative. Everything else is good so far.

Townlean Tier:
Eli -- Good vibes, reasonably contributory. Eli is a pro at looking like town, though. Considering a large bulk of his own content is also commentary, don't love his push on me for doing the same thing that much lol.

LS -- Not as confident in this one because I actually think I just like LS' personality and that can def cloud my judgement, but I have found her to be useful in some of the more contentious and heated parts of the thread, attempting to provide some reason to things. Def posting on-meta, too, but I don't put that much stock into meta.

Tommy -- Bottom of townlean. Arguing with Psy is an effective way to accrue towncred at all times, but their other contributions to thread have also just been useful. Tommy is also just a pro at looking like town, though. Eager to see his reads.

Psy Tier:
Psy --

Neutral and Not Here Tier:
AG -- No AI content, really

realiti -- Is literally not here

Hydro -- No AI content, really

JALMONT -- Entirety of content is dissociative game theory stuff. Nothing to particularly read into alignment-wise at this stage.

Scumlean Tier:
apricity -- The skipper vote was really terrible. Threatening to gladiate over a self-admitted level-1 read is directly anti-town, especially one that was already debunked.

master oden -- Post quantity to content quantity ratio is dire. Probably do not gel with their playstyle at all considering Tommy said the crazy amount of defensiveness to a single vote is typical of them, but if they don't want that to happen they need to contribute more.

Maf Tier:
M24 -- Absolutely no progression this game to the extent that it is a negative amount of progression. Tiny content quantity so this is still entirely malleable, but when they have come in and made posts it's been largely irrelevant to threadstate (meaning they won't get picked up on it) and the vote following Hal is just, bizarre. Really needed to provide reasoning there one way or the other.

 

[Tommy]

Meh I know it's lame to suggest but IMO I really think our best course of action is to vote based on roles. I'm confused no one is really even talking about this or thinking about how to best divert our actions.

Do the twins know each other's alignment? I'm assuming no.

Roles I think we should consider voting today
Doublevoter - this role for me has massive negative value for TOWN if it's mafia...someone can run the math but this basically takes us from 3 ml to 2ml assuming no blocks, which we can't assume. Positive value is it gives us extra vote at 3-3 but that's a marginal gain because we only get to 3-3 if blocking roles succeed so we should have info regardless.

Fruit vendor - I don't see any positive value TOWN gets from this role. Minor value in checking people do what they say but that's doable thru other means. Can use fruit vend ability to stop redirector from redirecting kill in late game scenario.

1-shot gladiator - this role has no real game impact as far as I can tell. It's bad on mafia and bad on village unless they hit mafia which is luck. too many other roles have ways to help us so no thanks.

1-shot poisoner - this has marginal town impact and is dangerous in that it ends the game after a 2nd ml without anyone knowing. Let's say we ML @ 6-3 to go to 5-3, they used the kill the previous night and the game is over. Pretty aligned with doublevoter in that sense.


Roles I don't think we should bother targeting TODAY
redirector - this is the strongest role in the game BUT it's seriously nerfed because they can't redirect the twins. So I'm not sure if it's as good as bus driver in this setup since it can't stop a game ending kill. Doesn't really help mafia since we can CONTROL THE TARGETS

bus driver - similar to redirect BUT can redirect mafia kill onto them with luck. we can also CONTROL THE TARGETS

kill delayer - amazing town value, no mafia value unless they go for an insane bus play. best to let player do whatever but opens up risk to the latter.

jailkeeper - same as above. mafia can't really afford to let this role hang around. should target whoever.

role swapper - again, i see no reason why they should be swapping roles unless we decide to. we can CONTROL THE TARGETS

absorber - this role is really strong, from my POV as TOWN I really think it makes sense to target me with a couple actions in order for us to have those to take advantage of later.

motivator - really good town value. I'm assuming this can't double mafia kill. we can CONTROL THE TARGET

tracker - should target whoever. pretty good town role, not super useful as mafia and fairly easy to get around.

1-bpv - amazing town role. bad mafia role. keep alive.

this is not an amazing analysis or anything but hopefully just something to get the juices going

unvote
vote lady salamence

out of the people with roles I would vote today, I didn't like her stance against Psy when it was very clear why Psy did not like what Dusk was saying.

there is no role this game that is so scary we need to get it out, and the game should be played normally

the exception is one or two roles which help town more than mafia like jker or tracker

but like, most of them aren't that strong as town nor as mafia to the point we should forgo actually playing the game, the setup is probably a bit townsided but no way to the point we can just let mechanics solve for us rn

 

[Celever]

I am not pretending like these reads are particularly solid, this thread has largely been chaos and I do think it is a threadstate within which it is reasonably easy to accrue towncred as scum.

 

[Ehmcee]

can skipper vote be explained to me? I don't fully get it, dudes clearly trying to contribute but they have a lot of knowledge for someone playing their first game so I can see it. I want to hear what apricity thinks though

Ik you mentioned you were newer, generally putting pressure forces some content out of them which helps discern behavior/scum eligibility.
For the record, I have no idea if you're maf or not, I just want to see you squirm :)

 

[Ehmcee]

I asked after it because I didn't remember any of M24's posts but that is extremely important behaviour considering the last we heard from them in the thread they hadn't caught up yet. Vote you out of the blue for no reason at all, after a vague "Tommy shouldn't use his abil at all" post which I'm not sure is even that legitimate? Wasn't in direct response to anything either.

The tommy quote came after reading that one post from JALMONT, reasoning made sense to me while scrolling through the thread, now obviously seems a lot more worthwhile to use once we have a better idea of scumleans and town roles after getting explained theory on the role

 

[Psypsypsypsypsythe]

master oden -- Post quantity to content quantity ratio is dire. Probably do not gel with their playstyle at all considering Tommy said the crazy amount of defensiveness to a single vote is typical of them, but if they don't want that to happen they need to contribute more.

oj is gonna be the me of this game for you celever

 

[Psypsypsypsypsythe]

Maf Tier:
M24 -- Absolutely no progression this game to the extent that it is a negative amount of progression. Tiny content quantity so this is still entirely malleable, but when they have come in and made posts it's been largely irrelevant to threadstate (meaning they won't get picked up on it) and the vote following Hal is just, bizarre. Really needed to provide reasoning there one way or the other.

this is hilarious. m24 has made like 5 posts