NOC Smalltown Hotel Mafia - Game Thread (MAFIA WINS)

JALMONT said:
Meh I know it's lame to suggest but IMO I really think our best course of action is to vote based on roles. I'm confused no one is really even talking about this or thinking about how to best divert our actions.

Do the twins know each other's alignment? I'm assuming no.

Roles I think we should consider voting today
Doublevoter - this role for me has massive negative value for TOWN if it's mafia...someone can run the math but this basically takes us from 3 ml to 2ml assuming no blocks, which we can't assume. Positive value is it gives us extra vote at 3-3 but that's a marginal gain because we only get to 3-3 if blocking roles succeed so we should have info regardless.

Fruit vendor - I don't see any positive value TOWN gets from this role. Minor value in checking people do what they say but that's doable thru other means. Can use fruit vend ability to stop redirector from redirecting kill in late game scenario.

1-shot gladiator - this role has no real game impact as far as I can tell. It's bad on mafia and bad on village unless they hit mafia which is luck. too many other roles have ways to help us so no thanks.

1-shot poisoner - this has marginal town impact and is dangerous in that it ends the game after a 2nd ml without anyone knowing. Let's say we ML @ 6-3 to go to 5-3, they used the kill the previous night and the game is over. Pretty aligned with doublevoter in that sense.


Roles I don't think we should bother targeting TODAY
redirector - this is the strongest role in the game BUT it's seriously nerfed because they can't redirect the twins. So I'm not sure if it's as good as bus driver in this setup since it can't stop a game ending kill. Doesn't really help mafia since we can CONTROL THE TARGETS

bus driver - similar to redirect BUT can redirect mafia kill onto them with luck. we can also CONTROL THE TARGETS

kill delayer - amazing town value, no mafia value unless they go for an insane bus play. best to let player do whatever but opens up risk to the latter.

jailkeeper - same as above. mafia can't really afford to let this role hang around. should target whoever.

role swapper - again, i see no reason why they should be swapping roles unless we decide to. we can CONTROL THE TARGETS

absorber - this role is really strong, from my POV as TOWN I really think it makes sense to target me with a couple actions in order for us to have those to take advantage of later.

motivator - really good town value. I'm assuming this can't double mafia kill. we can CONTROL THE TARGET

tracker - should target whoever. pretty good town role, not super useful as mafia and fairly easy to get around.

1-bpv - amazing town role. bad mafia role. keep alive.

this is not an amazing analysis or anything but hopefully just something to get the juices going

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vote lady salamence

out of the people with roles I would vote today, I didn't like her stance against Psy when it was very clear why Psy did not like what Dusk was saying.
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Hey don't wanna sound rude but we should just vote who we think is mafia and I'm not saying that just cause I fall in the first category
 
Nuxl said:
i probably have to alt tab unfortunately otherwise im gonna be super distracted. feel free to interact etc

psy is probably town. selfishly i'll shelve my reasoning why because this doesn't seem contentious, so i have no reason to try and sway people on it lol

i kinda envision ls posting differently as scum, like unfortunately i think someone/some people have said ls has been kinda useless and spatty but like that feels in line with the past couple games she played. weaker than psy is

people who i havent reached townread level yet:

i mentioned earlier i agreed with jalmont's vote on tommy but i'll kind of explain it now. while unfortunate for our smogon hero duskfall because he got warred off the bat i can't townread his iso yet, even though he was dragged into that spat with psy. most of his responses come towards asking questions to psy and developing no read on anyone else. idk if he's taking it easy but there was a lot more FIRE in his entrance in town errant and rn it reads like a babysitter cooing psy to not scumread him when it's like... obviously going nowhere.

celever. srsly look at his iso lol for someone who's been existing since page 1 like theres no fire to his posts. he exists in thread but a lot of his posts have been commentary or questions, his only vote was oden which like ok whatever at the time but otherwise it feels like he's having trouble making content and doesnt care ab the threadflow of the game. he doesnt have a communicated read that isnt taken by his vote on oden iirc and he had a stronger entrance in matrices

people i havent put much thought into READING:
master oden/m24 (+ag/realiti)

everyone else i either dont wanna comment on atm or havent felt confident to get a lean on yet
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Ok nice we basically have the same reads Thx
 
Celever said:
Reads atm

Town Tier:
skippergamez -- Far more content-filled ISO than I previously thought, and overall good vibes. Has been contributing pretty well actually. Gave a premature reads list that really wasn't thought through that well but this is a playstyle quirk Smogon is more anti than other spaces, and especially if we take him at his word that this is the most serious mafia game he's played I don't view that as too indicative. Everything else is good so far.

Townlean Tier:
Eli -- Good vibes, reasonably contributory. Eli is a pro at looking like town, though. Considering a large bulk of his own content is also commentary, don't love his push on me for doing the same thing that much lol.

LS -- Not as confident in this one because I actually think I just like LS' personality and that can def cloud my judgement, but I have found her to be useful in some of the more contentious and heated parts of the thread, attempting to provide some reason to things. Def posting on-meta, too, but I don't put that much stock into meta.

Tommy -- Bottom of townlean. Arguing with Psy is an effective way to accrue towncred at all times, but their other contributions to thread have also just been useful. Tommy is also just a pro at looking like town, though. Eager to see his reads.

Psy Tier:
Psy -- :smogduck::psyangry::psycry::psyglad::psygrump::psytear::psynervous::psysad::psysly::psywoke:

Neutral and Not Here Tier:
AG -- No AI content, really

realiti -- Is literally not here

Hydro -- No AI content, really

JALMONT -- Entirety of content is dissociative game theory stuff. Nothing to particularly read into alignment-wise at this stage.

Scumlean Tier:
apricity -- The skipper vote was really terrible. Threatening to gladiate over a self-admitted level-1 read is directly anti-town, especially one that was already debunked.

master oden -- Post quantity to content quantity ratio is dire. Probably do not gel with their playstyle at all considering Tommy said the crazy amount of defensiveness to a single vote is typical of them, but if they don't want that to happen they need to contribute more.

Maf Tier:
M24 -- Absolutely no progression this game to the extent that it is a negative amount of progression. Tiny content quantity so this is still entirely malleable, but when they have come in and made posts it's been largely irrelevant to threadstate (meaning they won't get picked up on it) and the vote following Hal is just, bizarre. Really needed to provide reasoning there one way or the other.
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Ok I had kinda the same thoughts with the m24 vote

Ehhhhhh sure I'll figure u out later
 
realiti said:
Ok nice we basically have the same reads Thx
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On a reread of the quote, I do find it curious how Eli said he agreed with Jalmont's vote on Tommy but then launched into completely different reasoning to Jalmont (as Jalmont's vote had absolutely nothing to do with reads, just mech).
 
% chance realiti wouldve posted earlier itt if he rolled scum ?

Celever said:
On a reread of the quote, I do find it curious how Eli said he agreed with Jalmont's vote on Tommy but then launched into completely different reasoning to Jalmont (as Jalmont's vote had absolutely nothing to do with reads, just mech).
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i agreed with the vote, i said that in another post prior, not the reasoning
 
Like realiti is either tryharding (which I can't remember seeing him do tbh) or he is faking stuff a little, could see it either way. The content is fine on paper though.
 
Nuxl said:
% chance realiti wouldve posted earlier itt if he rolled scum ?


i agreed with the vote, i said that in another post prior, not the reasoning
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IDK, it's entirely possible realiti was Actually Just Busy I don't think we can put much stock into it.

Fair on this front, just not 100% on the timing of it could have to go back and check. I feel like this post was made a long time after Jalmont's Tommy vote but probably not bc that doesn't make much sense.
 
realiti said:
Also dude Jalmonts memes are so fire this game

JALMONT Who do you have for the finals
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it's been a while since i've played

i guess ill try something different this game!

i'm guessing that if i try my thing where i just stay really quiet and rely on being able to solve day 2 that i might just get burned

so i guess ill be obvious
 
everyone remembers posts that relate to themselves much more than posts that don't

in the past 34 pages what kind of sticks out to me as a sore thumb is cel putting skipperz as a towncore

i can't help but doubt where this read comes from. i've read the ISO and i guess i just don't see it at all

if skipperz is actually town, this towncore read makes the most sense to me from someone who is scum who is hedging that i might actually gladiate and get this guy lynched (and in this hypothetical mislynched)

i wonder if it's just TMI
 
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