NOC Werewolf Mafia - Game Over: Mafia Wins!

Writing a new read post, gonna have to read back a good amount but.

This game seems impossible rn, between Realiti leaving, Psy being a nuisance, and 3 players arguably not even trying, we basically need to get a maf out today.
 
Additionally, I think we're at a point where revealing PR's is only a viable option today I believe.

Multiple people have died and mafia rolecop potentially has their hands on one of the backups. Maf should be able to fake backup claims starting tommorow.

Would like other opinions on this as I am not the best at game theory, but we should decide wether or not we should want these to come out.
 
Here’s my compilation of bad Ehmcee posts (bc I scumread him)


seems legit

vote LS
Bad opening
tbh im still a null on p much everybody,

my one maf is Laurel

i will not elaborate
I don’t like this “humor”
aight finally got an actual answer so i can unload this

A Noobie's Meta-Analysis of Neon

For the record, don't really think he's getting coached lol, wanted to see some kind of response from Neon before explaining myself.

I was initially dumb as bricks and thought Eli's post was saying that he initially seemed towny as hell, but then felt like they were getting coached by scumchat, #470 seemed weirdly introspective for the guy that's been posting TFT and Speedrun.com posts for most of the game, so it at least made some sense to me.

Neon then had kind of a nothing-burger response to it with #495, man i don't know the people you know...


After making the big read post, and getting pushback from it (probably deserved), I wanted to get some further reaction from Neon, so when asked for a better explanation from Tommy, I tunneled to get more out of him. Main reasoning was that Neon would no longer have to answer or interact with me, so I voted him to get more from him. Also didn't want to directly prompt him to answer just so it wouldn't feel like it's a gotcha moment or a behaviour analysis.

Aight anyways, this aint a real read, he's got no skin in the game

Unvote

Vote Laurel


Back to the real viable vote
not gonna lie he calls this a meta-analysis but I don’t see how it is meta at all tbh. This is just expanding and overexplaining the process of tunneling Neon, then it doesn’t work, so I kinda don’t like this.
Vote HydrogenHydreigon

This is actually probably the most beneficial vote for me, considering i can no longer see their posts
I feel like here they are just copying psy, they’ve had a lot of content atp, nothing productive though
Trying to find the words to disprove this

But logic applies if i was scum ig
Ehmcee Scum = Neon Scum is an ok angleshoot ig
I don’t understand this angle shoot at all, they’ve had no real “connection” in the game, also this feels really forced.
Scumleans rn btw:

Celever (least confident one)
Jalmont
Dusk
Skipper

could see myself voting for any of these tonight
Two confirmed town? (3 actually hehe)
I am trying so hard rn to not be ableist
I mean, this is a very bad post
Psy, the more you talk like this, the more I'm genuinely inclined to believe you're just maf and megaposting as a cover
This is a very, very bad read from him, like this is dictionary town psy
Additionally, I think we're at a point where revealing PR's is only a viable option today I believe.

Multiple people have died and mafia rolecop potentially has their hands on one of the backups. Maf should be able to fake backup claims starting tommorow.

Would like other opinions on this as I am not the best at game theory, but we should decide wether or not we should want these to come out.
I’m very concerned as to why this is so important to him
 
Gonna go through these one at a time


Bad opening

Why is it a bad opening
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not gonna lie he calls this a meta-analysis but I don’t see how it is meta at all tbh. This is just expanding and overexplaining the process of tunneling Neon, then it doesn’t work, so I kinda don’t like this.

I don't particularly understand this part, yes the whole point of the post was to say that I wrongfully tunneled Neon at the start of the game, explained that I was wrong due to misunderstanding what someone said about coaching, but ended up going through with a small fish to gather some reaction out of him. I personally think gauging reactions from newer players is good, especially from one that has contributed near zero information to the game.
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I feel like here they are just copying psy, they’ve had a lot of content atp, nothing productive though
I was voting him as a half-joke due to me having him block due to reaction spamming, I hope you'd at least understand the small level of frustration I had
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I don’t understand this angle shoot at all, they’ve had no real “connection” in the game, also this feels really forced.
This was mostly just me not understanding what angleshoot meant, this is a valid criticism of my play :blobthumbsup:
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Two confirmed town? (3 actually hehe)

This is the weirdest one to me right now, bro you also had Tommy as a maf read as well as Celever as Null, it almost seems like you're just adding as much as you can to a list to make me look bad

Tommy: scumlean

I find it really humorous that Tommy is like “guys I’m playing the exact same game as last time, but that means I’m town” like that really raises eyebrows for me. Also, he sorta just ditched the Celever tunnel, which was his best town argument.

Celever: MOR

I would have Celever as townlean, however, the way he handled Tommy’s tunneling, was awkward, he sorta just sat there and said “I vaguely said I was joking” and what confuses me is why didn’t he just say “I was joking” to let it breeze over.
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I mean, this is a very bad post

In fairness, it was a bad joke in poor taste in regards to Spiderz being off-meds while voting me. I still don't see how it has anything to do with me looking scum however
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This is a very, very bad read from him, like this is dictionary town psy

I think this came off wrong because I was Psy was blowing up a storm last night, I don't believe I should have said that and it didn't necessarely portray what I meant. Psy has been getting increasingly more belligerent and confrontational towards literally everyone, in a manner that is almost entirely anti-town. I still believe psy is town, but his constant arguments with everyone and his defeatist attitude when no one understands him are literally only helping scum rn.


I’m very concerned as to why this is so important to him

????????????????????
WHY WOULD IT NOT BE IMPORTANT?
A key point of last night's conversation were about role reveals, and that mafia would eventually be able to FAKE CLAIM roles due to having knowledge about backups. I'm honestly more concerned about the fact that you don't understand this
 
I can only speak for myself but personally I feel like realit getting annoyed at Psy is townie considering the fact that I’m town, doesn’t really make sense to get annoyed at Psy for tunneling me if he was a wolf. As for tunneling Tommy, old habits die hard this isn’t the first time I’ve tunneled Tommy.

realiti has played two town games with psy and i dont remember him complaining about psy in those other games. to me, it seems like a cheap way to gain town cred as the people who complained about him previously were always town.

I just dont know why realiti is frustrated this time when its been a consistent theme
 
realiti has played two town games with psy and i dont remember him complaining about psy in those other games. to me, it seems like a cheap way to gain town cred as the people who complained about him previously were always town.

I just dont know why realiti is frustrated this time when its been a consistent theme
I don’t know him well enough as you so I don’t have anything to comment about this but noted
 
The defeatism is kinda weird. It’s day 2 lol chill.
Additionally, I think we're at a point where revealing PR's is only a viable option today I believe.

Multiple people have died and mafia rolecop potentially has their hands on one of the backups. Maf should be able to fake backup claims starting tommorow.

Would like other opinions on this as I am not the best at game theory, but we should decide wether or not we should want these to come out.
This is interesting because yesterday you said it was “kinda weird” i thought mass claiming was an option
 
The original reason I actually suspected Tommy was because we were not mindmelding with our reads. The way I usually figure out if strong players are a wolf or not is I compare our reads and see if our perspective has mindmelded. Dusk was not mindmelding with his reads. It also felt like he was faking helplessness with having no scumreads and then Nuxl pointed out that he acted exactly the same way he did in a previous scum game.

Wdym by mind melding? You just didn’t agree with him or thought he was shifty?
 
Wdym by mind melding? You just didn’t agree with him or thought he was shift?
By mind meld I mean our reads/perspective on the game didn’t match up. For example, multiple times I brought up Spiderz but they arbitrarily decided Spiderz was town for ??! reasons when I was suspecting Spiderz. Usually, I mindmeld with good town players fairly easily, and resisitance to mindmeld is usually indicative of someone having an agenda. Hard to explain but imagine it as me just comparing my thoughts/mindset to his
 
I have been asked an administrative question, so I answer: I only reveal role-PM info in the thread. So unless a backup backs someone up, the only role-relevant PM they have is the VT PM.

That said, if you look in the OP, you'll see WW gets true track (including mafia kills) while village only gets partial track (no kills), and Mafia rolecop gets if their target is an un-activated backup or not. I realize now that I was insufficiently clear, but pursuant to the spirit of those complete-result effects: in my "planning the game" convo with Duskfall, one thing I said before a "that works" reply from him was that Mafia/WW get notified if/when a backup dies. I realize I should have clearly specified this before now.
 
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