Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v2 [Update on Post #5186]

[MattC (Banned)]

Yall forgot, it's happened again

Another 12 hour run without anything. Yes I will keep on posting about this - tis a rather peculiar occurance

 

[ant4456]

People talking about all these new possible OU mons while I'm just like;

Little Cup Duraludon

I checked and it cleanly 2HKOS the entire tier with Dragon Pulse, not even Draco Meteor required

 

[Gohankuten]

I checked and it cleanly 2HKOS the entire tier with Dragon Pulse, not even Draco Meteor required

So you're saying that LC Duraludon is gonna be perfectly balanced and definitely won't be QB'd immediately.

 

[woodgoldtwo]

Given that, in the trailer for the Teal Mask, Fezendipiti used Moonblast, and Munkidori used Psychic, alongside Toxic Chain being their abilities, I'd hedge my bets on them being Fairy/Poison and Psychic/Poison respectively. Not so sure what Okidogi used but it looked Fight-y, so I'd guess Fighting/Poison for it, though I'm less sure

I’m 99% sure it was giga impact

 

[artificialdeath]

People talking about all these new possible OU mons while I'm just like;

Little Cup Duraludon

i mean obviously its gonna be QBed immediately but imagine going back in time to gen 4/5 and telling someone that something far worse than scyther or sneasel will grace the tier

 

[BijouMode]

Given that, in the trailer for the Teal Mask, Fezendipiti used Moonblast, and Munkidori used Psychic, alongside Toxic Chain being their abilities, I'd hedge my bets on them being Fairy/Poison and Psychic/Poison respectively. Not so sure what Okidogi used but it looked Fight-y, so I'd guess Fighting/Poison for it, though I'm less sure

About those legendaries, their ability sounds stupidly OP. Each time they use a move there is a chance the target becomes badly poisoned, so its basically Poison Touch without having to make contact and it being the Toxic effect instead of poison. Sounds like a few more mons are going to join AG.

 

[pika pal]

And it appears to raise Sp. Atk when used, it sounds fun.

Raging Bolt is the Paradox. You're thinking of Archduraludon's new move.

 

[Karxrida]

CLEFABLE CONFIRMED

Enjoy being stuck with Moonlight for recovery cause no transfers lmao.

Crab spoiler

Crawdaunt is confirmed, Adaptability + Tera water (Enjoy crazy power creep my friends)

Adaptabilty doesn't synergize with Tera too well because the ability only checks your current type and thus turns off its boost for secondary STAB if you change types. So no super boosted Knock Offs. Stronk Aqua Jet is nice tho.

 

[Return to Zero]

View attachment 541193GLISCOR IS BACK LETS FUCKING GO! This and another mon which I will get to soon is exactly what OU needs rn. Spikes immune that absorbs Knock, gets Knock itself, Rocks + U-Turn, checks Valiant, absorbs status, 1v1s Garg cause of Poison Heal, SD sets with Tera are gonna go crazy. It might lose Roost but no shame in running Protect with Poison Heal recovery to circumvent that. If Gliscor keeps Spikes like in PLA, it will send Ting-Lu directly to the trenches, if it keeps Defog, then we have a Defogger that can 1v1 Ghold and not be shit at everything else.

I'm about to be the Numer One Gliscor Guy. I'm gonna be so obnoxious. Run this on everything. Lando? Gone. There is no need for other defensive pivots. Poison Heal is my shit. Make life hell for every Gambit and Valiant. Yeehaw.

 

[Avira]

Enjoy being stuck with Moonlight for recovery cause no transfers lmao.



Adaptabilty doesn't synergize with Tera too well because the ability only checks your current type and thus turns off its boost for secondary STAB if you change types. So no super boosted Knock Offs. Stronk Aqua Jet is nice tho.

That would be really lame if that is how it's supposed to work. Crawdaunt would be better not Terastalizing in most cases unless you literally lose on the spot if you don't due to the negative synergy with Tera.

 

[KamenOH]

Cringing at Clefable returning
That fucking unkillable shitstain is perhaps the only pokemon i wouldnt mind dexiting permanently. There is no reason why it is granted free clearance to slow the meta to a crawl, other than blatant favoritism. Perhaps the three heroes could be ou viable and send it back down to ru, but thats very wishful thinking, especially if it doesn't choose to tera steel or water and become more used than GT.

 

[Karxrida]

I'm about to be the Numer One Gliscor Guy. I'm gonna be so obnoxious. Run this on everything. Lando? Gone. There is no need for other defensive pivots. Poison Heal is my shit. Make life hell for every Gambit and Valiant. Yeehaw.

Lando still works better on certain team structures (especially offensively-inclined ones), and depending on what new moves or old move tutors/TMs/whatever we get in the DLC then it might end up better than Gliscor.

Also Valiant gets Ice Punch (and Icy Wind if you want to be cheeky). It can win if it wants to.

 

[Rootb]

Enjoy being stuck with Moonlight for recovery cause no transfers lmao.

Chilly Reception stonks, somehow, continuing to rise. Slowking-Galar gonna carry the entire meta on its back.

 

[Dragapult]

I'm a player who consistently makes it to 1900+ top and is one of the top 100 players, but can never get reqs.

I usually restart if lose more than 5ish games in under 20 wins, so that I can fulfill the GXE requirements which is the only part of getting reqs that I struggle with. Would the council or the player base be open to change voting reqs to based upon a certain ELO for players like me who clearly are competent and knowledgable on the meta, but just struggle getting reqs?

The stipulations for earning a suspect vote are pretty reasonable and fair as is, ngl. You aren't entitled to a vote.

 

[Return to Zero]

Cringing at Clefable returning
That fucking unkillable shitstain is perhaps the only pokemon i wouldnt mind dexiting permanently. There is no reason why it is granted free clearance to slow the meta to a crawl, other than blatant favoritism

I thought people would be happier to see the return of something that's gonna do great against Bax and has Magic Guard to ease up on hazard pressure. This is a super unbalanced HO meta, so adding one good defensive mon isn't gonna be the end of the world.

 

[ianlazerbeem]

I thought people would be happier to see the return of something that's gonna do great against Bax and has Magic Guard to ease up on hazard pressure. This is a super unbalanced HO meta, so adding one good defensive mon isn't gonna be the end of the world.

Yup I for one completely welcome a defensive Mon that beats Bax and is immune to Spikes. Man is actually upset that the HO hell tier slows in pace a bit

 

[Moyashi]

Cringing at Clefable returning
That fucking unkillable shitstain is perhaps the only pokemon i wouldnt mind dexiting permanently. There is no reason why it is granted free clearance to slow the meta to a crawl, other than blatant favoritism. Perhaps the three heroes could be ou viable and send it back down to ru, but thats very wishful thinking, especially if it doesn't choose to tera steel or water and become more used than GT.

Boo hoo

Anyways hurray Clef is back.

I thought people would be happier to see the return of something that's gonna do great against Bax and has Magic Guard to ease up on hazard pressure. This is a super unbalanced HO meta, so adding one good defensive mon isn't gonna be the end of the world.

Ehhh it's not great into Bax honestly. Tera lets Bax set up on it, and loaded dice icicle spear overwhelms Clef, especially on SD sets (unaware Clef is gonna suck, but also loses to dice icicle spear thanks to hazards).

 

[Eeveeto]

The one and only positive thing Clef brings to the meta is walling Garganacl... that is until they start using Tera Steel + Heavy Slam.

Edit: This is not to say Clef is broken or even unhealthy, just annoying staple Mon that can do many things.

Edit 2: An interesting Mon that is coming back is Mandibuzz. In SS this guy learned Defog by level, meaning it will probably retain the move. It also learns Toxic by level in SS, so it will be one of the few non poison users of the move.
Even with Dark STAB, Gholdengo can wall Mandibuzz... that is until it starts using Tera Dark to remove Rock weakness:

0- Atk Tera Dark Mandibuzz Foul Play vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Gholdengo: 136-164 (43.1 - 52%) -- 10.5% chance to 2HKO
0 Atk Tera Dark Mandibuzz Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Gholdengo: 204-244 (64.7 - 77.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

 

[658Greninja]

Cringing at Clefable returning
That fucking unkillable shitstain is perhaps the only pokemon i wouldnt mind dexiting permanently. There is no reason why it is granted free clearance to slow the meta to a crawl, other than blatant favoritism. Perhaps the three heroes could be ou viable and send it back down to ru, but thats very wishful thinking, especially if it doesn't choose to tera steel or water and become more used than GT.

Cry about it

252 Atk Baxcalibur Icicle Crash vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Clefable: 133-157 (33.7 - 39.8%) -- 27.1% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

 

[Karxrida]

Cry about it

252 Atk Baxcalibur Icicle Crash vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Clefable: 133-157 (33.7 - 39.8%) -- 27.1% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

inb4 Adamant Band Bax.

But yeah, I think Clefable would be a good presence for the tier. We are severely lacking in natural defensive Fairies.

 

[Sulfurian]

Y'all forgot it lost softboiled and moonlight is iffy recovery

 

[G-Luke]

Cringing at Clefable returning
That fucking unkillable shitstain is perhaps the only pokemon i wouldnt mind dexiting permanently. There is no reason why it is granted free clearance to slow the meta to a crawl, other than blatant favoritism. Perhaps the three heroes could be ou viable and send it back down to ru, but thats very wishful thinking, especially if it doesn't choose to tera steel or water and become more used than GT.

I love seeing posts like this, it's so funny yet pathetic

 

[ant4456]

Smogon players when the game lasts more than 20 turns (No!!! I have to play the game more!!!)

Fucking stall is too broken!

 

[658Greninja]

Y'all forgot it lost softboiled and moonlight is iffy recovery

Moonlight and Soft-Boiled are both 8 pp. Yeah rain sucks but thats only one mu where Moonlight is dogshit and its not like Clef had a stellar mu into rain anyways.

 

[Rootb]

Moonlight and Soft-Boiled are both 8 pp. Yeah rain sucks but thats only one mu where Moonlight is dogshit and its not like Clef had a stellar mu into rain anyways.

I mentioned it before, but Snow also drops Moonlight down to 1/4. Not only will Snow possibly be good as a stand-alone, but one of the best pivots in the format sets it almost every time it switched out.