RMT: Floral Storm Waltz

SarunoX

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Primrose (Roserade) (♀) @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 24 HP/232 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Leaf Storm
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Sleep Powder
- Toxic Spikes

Okay this is my starter. Sleep Powder gives me some good status and can take advantage of the slow starters and good if they want to switch. . HP Fire is for steels and for some odd reasons they switch Forrestress in on her so It adds in taking him out as well. Toxic Spikes gives my team more Residue damage with Poison which helps out with the team.

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Skarmory (♂) @ Shed Shell
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP/56 Atk/196 Def/6 Spd
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Brave Bird
- Roost
- Stealth Rock
- Whirlwind

Skarmory gives me the needed defensive wall. Stealth Rock here for hitting flyers and levitate pokemon where spikes do not. Set is pretty self explanitory other than that. Shed Shell for Magnezone and helps giving my Electivire a free boost.

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Blissey (♀) @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 212 HP/108 Def/188 SDef
Calm nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Seismic Toss
- Softboiled
- Thunder Wave

Yeah the powerful Special Wall. This EV spread gives me more special tanking ability that I need. Set pretty self explanitory

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Starmie @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 172 HP/216 Spd/120 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt
- Surf
- Recover

CounterStar is what my team needs. Its my main Infernape counter which can give me some trouble. Again another pretty self explanitory set

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Electivire (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Motor Drive
EVs: 68 HP/224 Atk/216 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Substitute
- Focus Punch
- Ice Punch
- Thunderpunch

SubPunch Vire. Yeah its different xD. It works extremely well. Focus Punch pretty much KOs many switches. This set can come in without a predicted electric attack and set up and hit hard. With the Residue damage with Poison and Stealth Rocks works well.

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Spiritomb (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP/144 Atk/112 SDef
Careful nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Will-o-wisp
- Sucker Punch
- Pursuit
- Pain Split

Spiritomb is a counter to most special attackers like Gengar and Azelf so I don't have to expose Blissey too soon if I can help it. He helps block Rapid Spin and Burns things like Lucario and Steel types that resist Toxic Spikes. Works well with the team.

More explanitions will be added later if needed
 
roserade wants lum, or sash as an anti lead, either let sleeping mvoes bounce off you or survivng salamences draco meteor?

your choice
 
I was thinking Lum Berry. Though Leftovers been working for me. I am an anti Sash player. I refuse to use it

Thanks for the reply
 
it seems wierd to use electivire in conjunction with shed shed shell skarm if you have no way to directly damage magnezone. at least hidden power doesnt break your sub i guess. the only thing you have on this team that hurts bliss is vire also.

skarmblisstomb are forcing alot of switches, so i'd maybe put spikes>sr on skarm and sr on bliss> something (raikou isnt a huge problem with vire, so maybe > stoss). this team doesnt really have a whole lot of wallbreaking pokes, in particular opposing blissey are hard to knock out, all you really have is vire.


he doesnt really need sash for specsmence with bliss lol
 
Obligatory MixApe weak. And when Starmie is screwed over by Weavile, that leaves MixApe open for a sweep. I could see E-Vire causing problems, and ScarfChomp (with a bit of prediction). Pretty much any mixed Poke, honestly (Boah, MixApe, Chomp, E-Vire, etc).

Interesting E-Vire, to say the least. There's really a 50/50 chance Magnezone will actually T-Bolt against Skarm or go for the Sub. If it tries to Sub, it can get WW'd out by Skarm, but watch out for it, just in case.

Definitely watch out for Weaviles, as Starmie seems to be a staple of this team, and things can really sweep after Starmie is gone.
 
Bentendo13 said:
Obligatory MixApe weak. And when Starmie is screwed over by Weavile, that leaves MixApe open for a sweep. I could see E-Vire causing problems, and ScarfChomp (with a bit of prediction). Pretty much any mixed Poke, honestly (Boah, MixApe, Chomp, E-Vire, etc).

Interesting E-Vire, to say the least. There's really a 50/50 chance Magnezone will actually T-Bolt against Skarm or go for the Sub. If it tries to Sub, it can get WW'd out by Skarm, but watch out for it, just in case.
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those are some really dumb comments, thats like saying "your team is heracross weak once your gliscor is gone! ". Wow, starmie takes it on and 1 counter is enough. Also, why would magnezone sub? skarm without Shed Shell will always whirlwind so thats kind of stupid, and if the thing sees that skarm has Shed shell, then blissey completely walls it!

now, for my own comments...

roserade may want leaf storm IIRC it has a chance of 1 hit koing gyarados, and it will 1 hit ko tyranitar with ease. I still say the sash could be extremely useful, just ask yourself this, how many times have you been threatend to be 1 hit koed by the opponents lead that outspeed you and you were forced to switch?
 
Slice n Dice said:
Disregard what porky said about lum berry, it has fricken natural cure. Use sash.
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oh yes..

maybe i think too anti-lead...

i meant for countering those troublesome crobats and gengar leads who think they are so hot with their hypnosis' but they're not..
 
Porky said:
those are some really dumb comments, thats like saying "your team is heracross weak once your gliscor is gone! ". Wow, starmie takes it on and 1 counter is enough. Also, why would magnezone sub? skarm without Shed Shell will always whirlwind so thats kind of stupid, and if the thing sees that skarm has Shed shell, then blissey completely walls it!

now, for my own comments...

roserade may want leaf storm IIRC it has a chance of 1 hit koing gyarados, and it will 1 hit ko tyranitar with ease. I still say the sash could be extremely useful, just ask yourself this, how many times have you been threatend to be 1 hit koed by the opponents lead that outspeed you and you were forced to switch?
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Jeez, you didn't make sense of my comments. The team seems to rely on Starmie, and that's a bit dangerous with the amount of Weaviles going around. Gliscor doesn't have the same crippling weaknesses that Starmie has (ie Pursuit). A switch can save Gliscor, while the same isn't so with Starmie. Magnezone Subs so it can set up on things that can't touch it (EQ-less Forry, etc). Skarm's item is either Lefties or Shed Shell, really, and it's not hard at all to find out what item it has due to (absence of) Lefties recovery. Then it can take out whatever comes in saved by the Sub, and that's 2 Pokes gone right then and there. And Blissey is afraid of Magnezone, fearing Explosion. Before you start randomly flaming and calling my comments dumb, please make sense of what I have said.
 
I really thought i did.

but if you insist.

Ok, look if this team has a mixape weak, and starmie is the counter you probably shouldn't say " once starmie is dead, your team is dead" becasue like a said, if you have a hera weakness you bring in a gliscor who can be easily take down by random ice beams from the likes of t-tar and hp ice from luke. Starmie is weak to weavile but, Weavile will not enjoy a few surfs to the face along with the possible stealth rock and toxic spikes up so starmie is not completely destroyed by weavile like you implied.

And, like i stated electivire would be a foolish switch into magnezone if the opponent knows your moveset. and blissey walls the hell out of magnezone and if the magnezone subs, big deal. Few and i mean very few magnezones actually have the balls to carry explosion( i have never seen one), especially with substitute(most carry t-wave), spiritomb is always a scouting option of course.

All im saying is that you said that his team has a mixape weakness with a starmie which completely walls it and a he has "troubles" with magnezone when he has s-toss blissey. and i said that was dumb, blissey handles magnezone and starmie handles the ape.
 
Porky said some of the comments I would have said.

I will test Focus Sash on my Roserade. Though I find not a lot have OHKOed her except maybe a starting weavile and I switch and it was Pursuit

Spikes could be an option for Skarmory and SR on Blissey though I prefer T-Wave to again hit flyers with status and things like that.

I will take all opinions into consideration.

Thank you for the replies
 
Out of all the top 20 leads, Yanmega, Weavile, Infernape, and Crobat are the only ones that both outspeed roserade and can OHKO it (in other words, they are the ones that validate the use of a focus sash lead). This team has effective counters for each of these anyway, so a focus sash is not really necessary. Besides, this is a stall team, and roserade at 1% life isn't very useful, especially with the high frequency of SR and Weather damage. I'd rather just use black sludge.

Also, why does Roserade have 24 HP EV's? Do those extra six hit points actually let you survive something? Put it in speed! It could be the differene between life and death against a Lucario.

I don't have time to deal with the rest of the team, but please take what I said into consideration.

Good Luck; Hope this Helps! --TAY
 
I see your point. It was a set given to me by a friend but Lucario could give me problems so yeah I fix EVs and Leaf Storm tested well so I will make that switch as well.

Thanks for the help
 
I see your point. It was a set given to me by a friend but Lucario could give me problems so yeah I fix EVs and Leaf Storm tested well so I will make that switch as well.

Thanks for the help
 
sleep powder is kinda counter effective with toxic spikes as most grounded opponents will be poisoned and not slept but as long as you're using it as a lead and sleep powdering first it shouldnt be a huge deal.
 
General Sturm: You sleep powder the lead so that you can get t-spikes off without losing your sash early.
 
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