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Speaking of Ditto, not a fan how most fans acted like ALL Ditto are flawed like Duplica's Ditto. Even then near end of ep it stops transforming with the eyes
Sadly both Mystery Dungeon, Merch, and post Gen 7 anime keep reffing it like it's a norm for all. Even dex entries suddenly spouted that late 7
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We went from "perfect unless laughing or faulty memory" to "nah, it's not perfect even in plain sight"

Incidentally, fans don't remember the other ditto Duplica had whose issue was
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Sonikku A said:
Speaking of Ditto, not a fan how most fans acted like ALL Ditto are flawed like Duplica's Ditto. Even then near end of ep it stops transforming with the eyes
Sadly both Mystery Dungeon, Merch, and post Gen 7 anime keep reffing it like it's a norm for all. Even dex entries suddenly spouted that late 7
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We went from "perfect unless laughing or faulty memory" to "nah, it's not perfect even in plain sight"

Incidentally, fans don't remember the other ditto Duplica had whose issue was
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tbf the duplica ditto is objectively funny and arguably shouldn't be a flaw

e: also the "near perfect" could very well be referring to the HP stat, which is not copied with transform
 
Interestingly there was a plot point in the recent detective pikachu game about this whole Ditto thing
Where detective Pikachu, and several other Pokémon, were framed for a crime, and a major piece of evidence was a picture of detective pikachu not having his stripes on its back because the ditto in question didn’t see it on D.Pikachus picture it was shown.
 
Sonikku A said:
Speaking of Ditto, not a fan how most fans acted like ALL Ditto are flawed like Duplica's Ditto. Even then near end of ep it stops transforming with the eyes
Sadly both Mystery Dungeon, Merch, and post Gen 7 anime keep reffing it like it's a norm for all. Even dex entries suddenly spouted that late 7
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We went from "perfect unless laughing or faulty memory" to "nah, it's not perfect even in plain sight"

Incidentally, fans don't remember the other ditto Duplica had whose issue was
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Glad to see the Detective Pikachu movie using a Ditto whose transforming capabilities are near perfect.
 
most covers of diamond and pearl music sucks

and trying to make sinnoh the "lofi and chill" region? fuck you. that's johto. johto also has better music in general

sinnoh also just sucks in general and its battle OST mostly sucks along with most of its route tracks being average

Diamond and Pearl are worse games than GSC and Platinum "fixes the game" by making it mid rather than actually bad

I can't wait until the nostalgia cycle goes further because there are so many actually underrated good games in the series waiting to be appreciated, rather than the most overrated generation ever. Praying on Sinnoh's downfall
 
ant4456 said:
most covers of diamond and pearl music sucks

and trying to make sinnoh the "lofi and chill" region? fuck you. that's johto. johto also has better music in general

sinnoh also just sucks in general and its battle OST mostly sucks along with most of its route tracks being average

Diamond and Pearl are worse games than GSC and Platinum "fixes the game" by making it mid rather than actually bad

I can't wait until the nostalgia cycle goes further because there are so many actually underrated good games in the series waiting to be appreciated, rather than the most overrated generation ever. Praying on Sinnoh's downfall
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idk if gen 4 is worse than gen 2 but gen 4 is pretty fucking bad. I guarantee if HGSS didn't exist gen 4 would be as forgotten as gen 6 is
 
I think all the Hyper Beam clones should instead work like Blood Moon - 140 BP, 100 accuracy, but you can't use them twice in a row. Therefore you couldn't just slap on a choice item and spam them to your heart's content, but they would actually be useful competitively. Frenzy Plant, Blast Burn and Hydro Cannon should also work like Tera Blast - they become physical if your attack stat is higher. That would give just about all the starters a niche somewhere.

I would also like to see a Pokemon region based on Canada.
 
ant4456 said:
most covers of diamond and pearl music sucks

and trying to make sinnoh the "lofi and chill" region? fuck you. that's johto. johto also has better music in general

sinnoh also just sucks in general and its battle OST mostly sucks along with most of its route tracks being average

Diamond and Pearl are worse games than GSC and Platinum "fixes the game" by making it mid rather than actually bad

I can't wait until the nostalgia cycle goes further because there are so many actually underrated good games in the series waiting to be appreciated, rather than the most overrated generation ever. Praying on Sinnoh's downfall
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YubelVT said:
idk if gen 4 is worse than gen 2 but gen 4 is pretty fucking bad. I guarantee if HGSS didn't exist gen 4 would be as forgotten as gen 6 is
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Finally, some people freaking say it. The majority of BDSP’s problems as a remake come from flaws in the original games, and as nice as it was for Platinum to be an actually functional Sinnoh game, the only thing it really added back was the Battle Frontier at the end of the day, but even that’s a downgrade from its Emerald iteration. The Distortion World barely counts when upwards of 80% of the area is only accessible on the first visit anyways, and the PokéDex expansion wouldn’t have been a factor if Diamond & Pearl actually attempted to do its job.
 
ant4456 said:
Other than that it's just boring puzzles that feel slow -> decent boss fight -> giratina catch
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Platinum Giratina is the epitome of that one post I did about legendary encounters being dogshit. Half an hour of incredible atmospheric buildup and one of the best battle themes in the series and it's used for ULTRA BALL LOTTERY WILD STARLY-TIER AI LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

I have mixed thoughts on how Giratina was portrayed in Legends Arceus but at least he was finally given a proper, memorable and challenging boss battle that did his theme justice. Here's to hoping the same one day happens for Ho-Oh and Kyurem-Black/White's tracks in revisits of their respective regions
 
Yung Dramps said:
Platinum Giratina is the epitome of that one post I did about legendary encounters being dogshit. Half an hour of incredible atmospheric buildup and one of the best battle themes in the series and it's used for ULTRA BALL LOTTERY WILD STARLY-TIER AI LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

I have mixed thoughts on how Giratina was portrayed in Legends Arceus but at least he was finally given a proper, memorable and challenging boss battle that did his theme justice. Here's to hoping the same one day happens for Ho-Oh and Kyurem-Black/White's tracks in revisits of their respective regions
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if pokemon never does a Kyurem Complete forme the east has fallen (just like the west)
 
Cobalt Empoleon said:
I'm definitely a Gen 4 Defender(TM) despite its many flaws, but every time I play HGSS I like it less
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What was that one thing some… I think it was a French dude said about disagreeing with opinions but still wanting to respect and defend them? I dunno, something I heard in school one time so it’s obviously got to be true, right?

Jokes about the education system aside, as someone who’s an HGSS defender in much the same way, I do think those games could be a lot better than they are. A great set of remakes for sure, but they only go so far with fixing some of GSC’s standard issues. If anything I just like them so much because they lowkey render FireRed & LeafGreen irrelevant in a way that GSC doesn’t do for RBY, if that makes sense. (Sevii Islands being gone doesn’t make sense though, to be fair.)

While I’m on the subject of games that are technically sequels, I want you opinions on this take. Johto has a ton of problems, yes, but I think it does its job as a sequel better than Black & White 2 does. So what if Johto uses too many Kanto Pokémon? At least they freaking tried to make a new region and whatnot.
 
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Gen 2 keeps reminding me how it's the Sonic CD of Pokemon

-Was actually a detriment to Pokemania when it came out, compared to later views
-Revisioning of fandom opinion due to Gen 3 hatred at the time
-Liked primarily for aesthetic, despite mechanical flaws
-Cited as "the purest form for gameplay and OG GameFreak soul" due to being direct sequel of first
-Obscurity due to GBA/DS's success + iffy emulation views + prospect of remake renewing interest in it which led to revisioned opinion on it

And much later years after remakes people are realizing that the core flaws are too much to ignore. But the "damage" done to romhacking mindset and older groups is too high, and less said of elitism the better
 
I like Platinum but it really says something with how many terrible design decisions from DP it had to fix. Also, HGSS are not as good as people say they are, even if there is some nostalgia associated with the games. All the things they improved in Gen 4 and they couldn't bother to fix all the awkward stuff about Gen 2? They bother to make all those cool evolutions for mons from Kanto and Johto then don't really put them in the game (esp when most gym leader/Rocket boss teams were really awkward in their structure). That's not mentioning the sprites either. As a Murkrow and Misdreavus liker at least they made those readily available
 
ant4456 said:
most covers of diamond and pearl music sucks

and trying to make sinnoh the "lofi and chill" region? fuck you. that's johto. johto also has better music in general

sinnoh also just sucks in general and its battle OST mostly sucks along with most of its route tracks being average

Diamond and Pearl are worse games than GSC and Platinum "fixes the game" by making it mid rather than actually bad

I can't wait until the nostalgia cycle goes further because there are so many actually underrated good games in the series waiting to be appreciated, rather than the most overrated generation ever. Praying on Sinnoh's downfall
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I agree with all these points but I feel that even the most die-hard Sinnoh/ gen 4 fan will agree that OG D/P are objectively some of the worst games in the franchise.

So this isn't just a reply, I think that the type chart is almost perfect as is. The only change I would make is give another type a Ghost resist and maybe give it another weakness. Or you could add Pursuit back in to make Ghost less broken.
 
superstrike66 said:
So this isn't just a reply, I think that the type chart is almost perfect as is. The only change I would make is give another type a Ghost resist and maybe give it another weakness. Or you could add Pursuit back in to make Ghost less broken.
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I agree with this. Aside from Ghost (and to a lesser extent Dark) being stupid and Normal ironically being kinda weak on things that aren't ridiculously minmaxed in some way like prenerf Blissey or UrsaBM/literal gods like Arceus, Pokemon does have quite a complex, well-balanced battle system for a kids game. Like for comparison, I love the Megami Tensei series, and it has other complex mechanics that are fun, but having seven elements with creatures who vary in their resistances/weaknesses feels kinda simple at times. The only problem is that they seem to like giving mons of certain types stat spreads that don't really fit properly. Ice types pre gen 9 were mostly slow and unable to take advantage of how good Ice STAB really is, and while it makes sense for big, bulky Rock types to be slow, it's telling that Terrakion and Tyranitar were really the only ones who could make a fairly good offensive type like Rock work (Garganacl is a Water, Fairy, Ghost, and sometimes Electric type at the same time it's not a Rock type)
 
artificialdeath said:
I agree with this. Aside from Ghost (and to a lesser extent Dark) being stupid and Normal ironically being kinda weak on things that aren't ridiculously minmaxed in some way like prenerf Blissey or UrsaBM/literal gods like Arceus, Pokemon does have quite a complex, well-balanced battle system for a kids game. Like for comparison, I love the Megami Tensei series, and it has other complex mechanics that are fun, but having seven elements with creatures who vary in their resistances/weaknesses feels kinda simple at times. The only problem is that they seem to like giving mons of certain types stat spreads that don't really fit properly. Ice types pre gen 9 were mostly slow and unable to take advantage of how good Ice STAB really is, and while it makes sense for big, bulky Rock types to be slow, it's telling that Terrakion and Tyranitar were really the only ones who could make a fairly good offensive type like Rock work (Garganacl is a Water, Fairy, Ghost, and sometimes Electric type at the same time it's not a Rock type)
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Eh, that's an exaggeration. While it may be dependent on the meta, I would say there's a decent handful of other genuinely good Rock-types, such as Rhyperior, Tyrantrum, H-Arcanine, and Glimmora.
 
really fascinates me how hard people turned on hgss tbh, feels like not too long ago it was considered easily one of the best pokemon games. personally i have a lot of fond memories of playing it but it really does feel hard to get into it now. an underrated problem with the games imo is that the team rocket encounters are so boring. the hideout and radio tower events are cool conceptually but the actual gameplay is just fighting the weakest grunts over and over again and its so tedious. i basically always drop the vanilla game at one of those points, it's just so stale. fighting a bunch of grunts is always pretty dull in pokemon games but something about hgss makes them feel especially boring, i guess it could be the limited choice of decent mons making the gameplay as a whole feel less interesting.
 
MisogiKurakawa said:
Eh, that's an exaggeration. While it may be dependent on the meta, I would say there's a decent handful of other genuinely good Rock-types, such as Rhyperior, Tyrantrum, H-Arcanine, and Glimmora.
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The vast majority are like that though, and have been that way for most of pokemon's existence. Rhyperior is lucky enough to have Solid Rock as an ability, as well as kinda minmaxed stats that wouldn't be out of place in a modern game. Tyrantrum, even with the nuke that is RH head smash, has to patch up its speed through scarf or DD. Mega Diancie and Nihilego also had the benefit of just having high stats and UB minmaxing respectively. There's a few others like the Lycanrocs (barring midnight) and Archeops at full health, but most rock types are just slow and bulky unfortunately. Golem, Gigalith, Aggron, Rampardos, Stonjourner, Probopass, Coalossal, Crustle, etc. Most are decent in lower tiers, but there's a reason they end up there, and most wish they had the same stat spreads/abilities but without the Rock typing. It's just a curse for defensive mons most of the time. Kinda says something that even with Shell Smash, one of the more busted moves in the game, there are other sweepers that tend to be a lot more reliable than the Rock-type users of this move b/c of how poor their speed tiers tend to be
 
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