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NOC Two Mafias Mafia - Won by The Pack

the way in which IPL claimed these abils also shows so deeply that he was making it up on the spot. Investigative -> Tracker -> I'm scum because of his result (yes, he said result) -> actually I'm scum because he also has a BPV -> multiple people asked him if he's also tracker and he didn't say until D3 (IIRC, maybe way late on D2) where he said he is also tracker but still doesn't have a result

it's giving trying to come up with a reason why you didn't break the vase
 
realiti said:
The people we voted were scummy as hell and I wouldn't say they were the most analytical players. Toaster actively avoided playing the game and Zippy was chaotic as hell (and also just OMGUSed me). Not sure why you're focusing so much on their reads but not the reads of say, the townies who were nightkilled (who we know were 100% actively targetted by mafia) or even the people who are still alive

My role is better left unclaimed, I'm not sure what there is left to say?
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This doesn't make the most sense to me because saying this just tells scum to kill you because of how much you've been emphasizing the importance of your role, which puts a target on your back to either get voted (due to the nonsensical nature of the statement) or getting killed overnight (due to the importance you've seemingly been emphasizing).
 
Was HH a universal town read? My sense was that pack was actually trying to finish off the mafia and win outright, especially given pulsar’s strong position within the town.

thoughts Celever given iirc you were the only one to really sus HH?
 
Let me put it this way, I could have lied outright and said something for example "realiti visited HH last night" and tried to lead a lynch that way, but I didn't. I'm smart enough to know that claiming no results doesn't look good, give me that amount of credit.
 
JALMONT said:
Was HH a universal town read? My sense was that pack was actually trying to finish off the mafia and win outright, especially given pulsar’s strong position within the town.

thoughts Celever given iirc you were the only one to really sus HH?
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I'm honestly not sure. I don't think Hydro was a universal town read at all, but I also don't think there was much shot of him being voted either today or tomorrow, so probably it's an OK middleground kill where he might be scum or also might not be, but either way it isn't stepping on the toes of viable misvotes. I'd guess that's how they arrived at the conclusion. I don't think they were scumhunting based on pulsar's reads because pulsar hard scumread fairy and realiti, and my expectation is pulsar's communicated scumreads were probably legitimately her scumreads, and it prob makes both fairy and realiti look worse as a result, because if fairy or realiti is her buddy and they shoot one of them, she gets a bit locked into actually voting out her buddy. Both of them being around gives pulsar a free "I'd rather do this other person who isn't my buddy" and have her vote on them at deadline, if they were doing a bussing strategy.

Considering they shot Ehmcee N1 and Ehmcee and Hydro have somewhat similar playstyles it could be a personality thing lol. But Ehmcee also made more sense given the twins claim and everything.
 
imperfectluck said:
Let me put it this way, I could have lied outright and said something for example "realiti visited HH last night" and tried to lead a lynch that way, but I didn't. I'm smart enough to know that claiming no results doesn't look good, give me that amount of credit.
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okay but are you smart enough to know that lying and claiming no res and then saying looks bad makes you look...not bad.
(I don't know what I'm talking about rn)
 
imperfectluck said:
Let me put it this way, I could have lied outright and said something for example "realiti visited HH last night" and tried to lead a lynch that way, but I didn't. I'm smart enough to know that claiming no results doesn't look good, give me that amount of credit.
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Right, but you don't even know if realiti is an active ability. Claiming that could mean you get caught out in a lie if realiti's actually a passive role. pulsar was the only person left who has actually claimed an active ability, so no result is really your only way to lie. Because you also can't push a misvote today unless you're really confident in your read of final scum and that would be a crazy but respectable gambit lol.
 
Celever said:
Right, but you don't even know if realiti is an active ability. Claiming that could mean you get caught out in a lie if realiti's actually a passive role. pulsar was the only person left who has actually claimed an active ability, so no result is really your only way to lie. Because you also can't push a misvote today unless you're really confident in your read of final scum and that would be a crazy but respectable gambit lol.
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Actually realiti being active or passive is irrelevant if he flips town anyway. Pushing a misvote here is not a viable strategy so shouldn't have been brought up.
 
real optimal strategy is def just clearing a vanilla actually, part of the reason I suspect IPL is pulsar is a really bad tracker usage anyway lol. It's giving "claiming whoever died just because they died" without the foresight of the optics of that. Maybe implies they killed pulsar and had the strategy mentally locked in, because claiming to track Hydro is still a more town-minded lie.
 
realiti said:
Why
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mainly just a holdover from this
ImaginaryNeon said:
Okay, here are the three games I have sheets for which include realiti (ignoring WW because I'm not gonna try to find where I put the journal with that...thing and then try to manually import it to Google Sheets).

This game (???)
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Assist Trophy (Town)
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Popcorn 3 (Scum)
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And what does this tell us?
Probably nothing.
But I'm gonna try to make some shit up so I don't feel like I wasted my time.

So, you see how in Popcorn 3, where he was scum, there were multiple D1 reads, then only one D2 read?
And how in Assist Trophy, where he was town, there were no reads on D1, but a shit ton (also known as five) on D2?
The timing of this game's reads seem closer to the former.

♫ Based on that small thing that isn't too concrete,
I'll Vote realiti! ♫

(I'll give you absolutely nothing if you can guess what song that's to the tune of.)

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plus other people were saying a bunch of shit I already forgot about

also there still isn't a read from you on the sheet from after 1410, which further lines up with the post above
 
More on realiti. While I'm still scumreading Celever he at least is making an appearance of trying to solve town/scum while I haven't seen any significant contribution from realiti. About whatever realiti's supposed ability is. He's very averse to claiming and claims my reasons aren't good enough for him so here's more. For starters his ability hasn't affected anything visible in the game so far, everyone can agree on that yes? If town lynches correctly today it will be 5v1 and realiti's ability will hardly be needed at all with such a numbers advantage. If town lynches incorrectly and it gets down to 2v1v1, realiti's not claiming suggests he thinks his so-called ability can influence town victory somehow from that game state? But just the fact that you've posted about still being one of the remaining power roles is also reason enough for scum to kill realiti anyways. Makes no sense to me why realiti won't claim - other than that he's scum of course.
 
Celever said:
A pretty viable candidate to be with either of them, probably. I'd need to go over and check this, but my instinct is that he didn't actually townread pulsar, which I think is higher buddy equity than townreading / towncoring her in most timelines because I think pulsar was just, a town player for all intents and purposes and it's not like he cased her behaviour in-thread to arrive at reasonably not towncoring her. If they are buddies then the resistance to hard tring her is probably TMI. I think this might also apply to fairy but would need to check that too, but what doesn't also apply to fairy is I don't remember pulsar ever giving thoughts on Psy herself, one way or the other. Again, I'd argue that in most universes this probably increases the likelihood of a Psy x pulsar scumteam, since pulsar read quite widely and had a mobile vote otherwise. OTOH I think pulsar did express fewer townreads than scumreads in the game in general, so it could just amount to not wanting to bus him.
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i literally fully townread pulsar and ive said so multiple times. every time someone suspected her i shot it down youre literally straight up lying
 
wait holup when did realiti start sring ipl?
Because unless the only time he actually said it instead of "yeah these two can't both be real" or whatever the fuck was 1410, I feel like I likely missed something
 
imperfectluck said:
More on realiti. While I'm still scumreading Celever he at least is making an appearance of trying to solve town/scum while I haven't seen any significant contribution from realiti. About whatever realiti's supposed ability is. He's very averse to claiming and claims my reasons aren't good enough for him so here's more. For starters his ability hasn't affected anything visible in the game so far, everyone can agree on that yes? If town lynches correctly today it will be 5v1 and realiti's ability will hardly be needed at all with such a numbers advantage. If town lynches incorrectly and it gets down to 2v1v1, realiti's not claiming suggests he thinks his so-called ability can influence town victory somehow from that game state? But just the fact that you've posted about still being one of the remaining power roles is also reason enough for scum to kill realiti anyways. Makes no sense to me why realiti won't claim - other than that he's scum of course.
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ImaginaryNeon said:
This doesn't make the most sense to me because saying this just tells scum to kill you because of how much you've been emphasizing the importance of your role, which puts a target on your back to either get voted (due to the nonsensical nature of the statement) or getting killed overnight (due to the importance you've seemingly been emphasizing).
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real
 
Psypsypsypsypsythe said:
i literally fully townread pulsar and ive said so multiple times. every time someone suspected her i shot it down youre literally straight up lying
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I literally said "I'm not sure of this it's just my recollection" bc I am not sure of it and it's just my recollection. FWR your and pulsar's relationship didn't really stick in my mind.

The comment about "every time someone suspected her I shot it down" is curious though because I don't remember anyone suspecting her lol
 
are you really gonna harp on ‘oh fairy and bgb have been so closely partnered’ for nearly 100 pages when you can’t even post receipts and then after I spent entire cycles harping on pulsar you’re gonna go ‘fairy says she sussed pulsar after pulsar had already died’ what a joke
 
BTW I think fairy should have a proper reads list by now of people she thinks is town and scum. I know she thinks I'm one of the last two scum but who does she think is the other one? Who's her contingency third most scumread? At least one of her top 2 is wrong!
 
there was definitely stuff towards pulsar particularly regarding her claims authenticity and i defended it because her slip up way of claiming felt like something she would do. im sorry your selective mafia memory has forgotten about that
 
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