This post is really bizarre, you seem to entertain a vote on Sam who Rostam is suspicious of and share a similar read on. But you don't care if Rostam dies and are assuming that they're already toast even though they only have 3 votes? Seems like you don't really care about the vote outcome here
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Sam has played smogon mafia for 10+ years, he's just inactive nowadays
Yeah Celever continually insisting that 'Rostam is dying today' without any attempt to vote Rostam, pressure them, OR stop the momentum against them implies that he does not care either way. That's a super weird stance tbh.
Moving Celever into my 'not my cup of tea but ok with voting them' group.
ImaginaryNeon can you expand on the Zippy vote / read please?
Also does anyone else read these A Fairy / Celever interactions as 'do you think we can get a late stealth vote going on Sam while he is mostly AFK' because that is also incredibly weird. Basically just testing to see if they can get any less experienced players to just go with it as an attempt to get me out of the way without needing to actually make logical arguments.
realiti where are you at on the vote today.
realiti where are you at on the vote today.
Also just realized that A Fairy / Celever / Pulsar is definitely a viable mafia team. Pulsar has kinda been all over the place today.
Celever what's your read on Pulsar again?
Going afk for a bit again. Be wary of people trying to make late pushes on people they think are AFK to stealth without needing to actually make sound arguments.
I would vote for fairy, Celever, pulsar, or Rostam, although I'm not super confident right now. Will probably decide closer to DL.
have made my position on Rostam p clear which is "the case on them is mechanically fine and I understand why people are fixated on it, it's just something that I find almost cheap at best and I'm upset it's ended up targeting a newbie who has good potential". I am literally neutral on it because it's optimal gameplay to solve the slot but personally I dislike it, and I've seen this kind of "damn we got the scum based on the nightkill and stuff!" go wrong as many times as it goes right so it feels like even if it hits it's a coinflip. But a coinflip is better than a 4 in however many players there are (more than 8!) which is why I'm fine with people pushing the wagon through if they want to.
I feel like people have been mindmelding on fairy/Celever/pulsar/Rostam, although I don't think they've been incredibly scummy, they've just shown me less than the others. So either town is just somehow landing on the right reads together or I'm being misted somewhere. Hoping for the former!
I've said this to you a few times tbh LOL. On the bulk I townread her, she's had scummy posts here and there but given pulsar's personality and everything I almost see the scummy posts here and there as towny. Also having just been mafia with her, and otherwise having a 100% hit rate of scumreading her when she's scum D1, I feel I am one of the better players in the game at reading her and the scumreads she's been barraged with have been incredibly level-1 the whole time.
I could kinda see indie but I think it's far likelier that the indie is found in the middle of the pack somewhere, or is AG.
unfortunately flash wagons are an important part of the game and in post-revival Smogon have a surprisingly good hit rate. This reads like self-pres and hammering home the idea that me and a fairy were just publicly orchestrating to try and see what appetite there is for a Sam vote. which is another in a long list of tinfoily at best uncharitable at worst takes Sam has given the thread so far (amidst some good takes too, but yeah).Sam said:
okay that's funny
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Am I wrong
imperfectluck any chance of adding day end / night start / day start (they’re all basically the same thing!) links to the OP?
Nah lolAm I wrong
If you wanna volunteer to find the links for me sure why not lol
Wanted to hunt for it for my own benefit so :P
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threa...ine-11-4-8pm-est.3730605/page-46#post-9846237 link for posterity (you otherwise get this by clicking #number on top right)
Also this, especially given that all of Celever's scumreads/leans/etc. on Zippy at this point had been on D1, save for #1625, just kinda feels opportunistic, for lack of a better word.
How is it opprtunistic when i am the one who came out on Celever first lol?
Ok this votecount pretty much confirmed my running theory on current thread vibes and though this post will def get lost I recommend reading this one bc I think it’s noteworthy
In some ways I feel like this is a game of 2 factions in the thread itself. This is on the reads of a whole number of players, and is notably rather reflected in the EoD1 votecount which is cool because I wasn’t sure it would be.
I noted that, repeatedly, slots that I viewed as polarised were being said to be consensus or near consensus slots by players time and time again. Some players I consider this regarding are myself, pulsar, Hydro, a fairy, and, earlier in the game, AG and tiger. Additionally, players have frequently read members of the same “faction” alongside each other in the same way, and the most noteworthy / seemingly productive interactions have also happened within these factions.
The two factions are roughly:
realiti, Sam, Hydro, Zippy, skipper
Me, a fairy, pulsar, Blazade, Neon
In the middle:
AG, Ehmcee, Rostam, tiger
Obviously neither one of these are perfect factions, but both groups have been borrowing / agreeing with reads a lot and mostly townread one another while having their scumreads in the other group or from those in neither faction. It’s almost alliancey, though I feel this is one-sided with particularly the first group minus skipper placing greater value on the reads of the other members within that group. OTOH, the second group feels more like natural agreement, with exceptions (I think pulsar has believably been sheeping me, for instance). AG is the most curious case since he has mostly aligned with the top group but never absolutely, and has dished sus evenly between them though with me and pulsar susses always being the strongest for him — before switching onto skipper in the EoD votecount. I’d argue Ehmcee is mostly similar but the inverse, where the EoD vote doesn’t align with prior behaviour. I think tiger was mostly top group during D1 but has almost flipped by EoD and since.
My running theory is that mafia teams are probably 2 from one group and one neutral probably, and more rarely one from the other group or 3 from one group. This herd mentality is notable and prolific even if people haven’t been participating in it willingly — for instance I feel Blazade will oppose being grouped with the bottom group but he has more in common with that group in game opinions than the top by a lot — and I’m pretty sure it doesn’t happen unless the people who actually know they’re a team accidentally put a herd mentality in-thread which causes a counter-herd because of human nature.
How the indie slots into this is contingent on how good the mafia were at reading the indie D1 and vice versa so who knows
In some ways I feel like this is a game of 2 factions in the thread itself. This is on the reads of a whole number of players, and is notably rather reflected in the EoD1 votecount which is cool because I wasn’t sure it would be.
I noted that, repeatedly, slots that I viewed as polarised were being said to be consensus or near consensus slots by players time and time again. Some players I consider this regarding are myself, pulsar, Hydro, a fairy, and, earlier in the game, AG and tiger. Additionally, players have frequently read members of the same “faction” alongside each other in the same way, and the most noteworthy / seemingly productive interactions have also happened within these factions.
The two factions are roughly:
realiti, Sam, Hydro, Zippy, skipper
Me, a fairy, pulsar, Blazade, Neon
In the middle:
AG, Ehmcee, Rostam, tiger
Obviously neither one of these are perfect factions, but both groups have been borrowing / agreeing with reads a lot and mostly townread one another while having their scumreads in the other group or from those in neither faction. It’s almost alliancey, though I feel this is one-sided with particularly the first group minus skipper placing greater value on the reads of the other members within that group. OTOH, the second group feels more like natural agreement, with exceptions (I think pulsar has believably been sheeping me, for instance). AG is the most curious case since he has mostly aligned with the top group but never absolutely, and has dished sus evenly between them though with me and pulsar susses always being the strongest for him — before switching onto skipper in the EoD votecount. I’d argue Ehmcee is mostly similar but the inverse, where the EoD vote doesn’t align with prior behaviour. I think tiger was mostly top group during D1 but has almost flipped by EoD and since.
My running theory is that mafia teams are probably 2 from one group and one neutral probably, and more rarely one from the other group or 3 from one group. This herd mentality is notable and prolific even if people haven’t been participating in it willingly — for instance I feel Blazade will oppose being grouped with the bottom group but he has more in common with that group in game opinions than the top by a lot — and I’m pretty sure it doesn’t happen unless the people who actually know they’re a team accidentally put a herd mentality in-thread which causes a counter-herd because of human nature.
How the indie slots into this is contingent on how good the mafia were at reading the indie D1 and vice versa so who knows
FWIW I also feel the bottom group have more openly and productively communicated with the neutrals + also each other than the top group have who have mostly said reads and just agreed with each other internally within the group rather than worked through things and solved actively and that’s why I’m inclined to think the mafia team are within the top group, beyond simply townreading many of the bottom group players (actually all of them, but yeah, part of the reason why is I think because the cases on the bottom group by top group players have been bad and I have been sensitive to that without properly realising now until now lol)
Posts from top group -> bottom group / neutral players have too frequently been parrots of bad cases or, as Blazade noted, repeating points that were already largely resolved by thread that then had to be rehashed again. It reads like players stating things they read in scum chat and basing their post off that. The links between are also a little looser between all, like skipper is there by consensusing a bit but minimal interaction, Zippy hasn’t interacted much with anyone and Sam has antagonised him. Bottom group pretty solidly fall into more of a “group” I think, because there has been more of a back and forth among members, but the top group tends to fall into the exact same conclusions which I’m p sure is worse for the members of it
And that's why your top 2 vote candidates are Rotham and AG...?