Lots of other mons like ID Armarouge, CM Cress and Unaware Cosmic Power Clef can also cheese wins. Thar being said, Manaphy in general probably needs to go. Its too fast for our hazers and Balance has no options to really check it outside of Ogerpon (which people also want banned) and some low tier shitters. With Manaphy, it's likely just broken with its Tail Glow set.
You could also run it on Cyrogonal if you want to be super spicy, though it means giving up Tera Blast or Rapid Spin.
how is it less of your fault for letting something set up to +4 if your opponent has stored power? that's specifically more your fault because you should recognize the danger that stored power poses on a set-up mon and the complete lack of danger it poses before setting up, so you should be more proactive in preventing the setup if you suspect something is carrying stored power. it's not the move's fault that you got punished harder than usual for letting something set up
Gliscor is good in DPP as well. Ground/Flying has always been a fantastic type combo, there just wasn't a pokemon with stats good enough to exploit it until Gliscor came along in gen 4.
there isn't even a problem. you think stored power is annoying, sure, but that doesn't make it problematic. serene grace is annoying (and uncompetitive, though not broken, on multiple mons), but it's not problematic at the current time and i doubt it will be at any point in the foreseeable future. stored power is similar—you could argue that it's broken on three mons (i could argue that two of them have more than just stored power to blame), but in and of itself the move isn't a problem at all
the fact that you've been citing manaphy almost exclusively says a lot more about manaphy than it does about stored power
"it isn't fun" is not a justification to ban something. a lot of people think stall isn't fun, but that's not a reason to ban dondozo or boots or whatever. people in gens 7 and 8 pretty much universally agreed that toxapex wasn't fun, but outside of the casual sphere it was almost universally agreed that it wasn't banworthy either. the problem is that "fun" is very subjective, which makes it impossible to use as a metric for tiering. go ask a stall player what they find fun, then a hyper offense player, then someone who exclusively plays gen 1, and you'll get wildly different answers. so whose opinion should we tier based on? yours? why?
coming from 1v1 metagame valiant has Encore + Disable which is the same thing.
stored power would have one of the lowest scores we've ever seen out of a survey, i would bet money on it. the only real reason i can see to even put it on a survey would be to shut down the "ban stored power" arguments, but for the most part that won't even work. you might be willing to admit defeat if the survey proved you wrong (mad respect for that by the way), but the handful of other stored power haters would likely just pivot to "everyone else is wrong" or "the survey was rigged", and we can't have that—the survey process is already starting to lose some public trust since the gambit spam situation
While your latest post is making me question the general intelligence of this thread, I'd like to believe that people here, on average, would not suggest clicking taunt or roar on a pokemon with good as gold, an ability which grants it immunity to both.
yeah, people seem to think that stored power users can just one-shot unaware mons with impunity when that isn't even the case. reasonably, shell smash is the only thing that causes the base power to grow quickly enough to make stored power immediately threatening in the face of an unaware mon. anything else is adding 40 base power per turn, which is a lot easier to deal with
Genuinely, why is Serene Grace alright, when King's Rock isn't? If anything, SG is a far superior version of KR, not taking up a much needed item slot while literally doubling the chances of success on whatever gamble you were taking.
I never got problem with stored power. When I see a potential SP user like Manaphy, I switch to iron valiant and use encore, or I have kingambit. Depends of the situation
The item slot argument is double edged, since on the one hand, Serene Grace is stronger than KR for Flinch fishing, but GF has more direct control over who has it. Items meanwhile can be used on virtually any Pokemon, even users it's not intended for, such as the case that got KR banned in Skill Link Cloyster, since that works in tandem with a specific set of traits inherent to the Pokemon (Skill link and Multi-Hit moves that individually roll the Flinch Chance, plus Shell Smash to outrun and hit harder than Jirachi as the other infamous Flinch user).
King's Rock, being an item anything can hold, can have some unforeseen interactions that really hurt the game, i.e. a multi-hit move with 5 individual flinch chances. Besides, some people here still want Quick Claw banned. You really think they'll want to unban something arguably more volatile?
