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Cancel cult said:
people always refer to the one part of the bible where it debatably says dont be gay, and ignore the part that says love thy neighbor, or he who is without sin, throw the first stone, or the part that says that sins will be forgiven. you know. the whole point of christianity. not to mention the fact that the new testament retconned half the stuff in the old testament. the bible doesn't teach homophobia, bad parenting and a lack of critical thinking do, they just use the bible as a half-assed excuse. also, the original bible is in a different language, one that i bet most people who quote the bible dont read. how do you know something wasnt mistranslated? god couldve just been saying ¨bro, dont be openly gay in 500BC, its a bad idea, people will kill you in cold blood because humans cant accept that some people are different, stay in the closet where some dumbass with a complex wont make up some stupid excuse for murder.¨
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This is ultimately my point. There are tons of things in the Bible that conservative evangelists ignore because it contradicts their worldview, so saying that the Bible says ”don’t be gay” is a really piss-poor excuse for homophobic rhetoric. Nobody is dying on the hill of mixing fabrics being a sin, so why are we choosing the part about not being gay?

A good few of my leftist friends were brought to their very left-leaning positions by their interpretations of the Bible, and it’s certainly something I can sympathize with. It’s not hard to imagine what someone who washed the feet of beggars and prostitutes, who fed the poor and healed the sick (for free by the way), who urged his followers to give all their worldly possessions to the needy and follow him to do charity work, and who showed contempt for those who use houses of worship as a way of making profit might think about some of his more conservative ostensible followers these days. “Jesus was a socialist” is kind of an overused meme in leftist circles, but he was undeniably a hell of a lot closer to one than he was to a Laissez-Faire capitalist.
 
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This is ultimately my point. There are tons of things in the Bible that conservative evangelists ignore because it contradicts their worldview, so saying that the Bible says ”don’t be gay” is a really piss-poor excuse for homophobic rhetoric. Nobody is dying on the hill of mixing fabrics being a sin, so why are we choosing the part about not being gay?

A good few of my leftist friends were brought to their very left-leaning positions by their interpretations of the Bible, and it’s certainly something I can sympathize with. It’s not hard to imagine what someone who washed the feet of beggars and prostitutes, who fed the poor and healed the sick (for free by the way), who urged his followers to give all their worldly possessions to the needy and follow him to do charity work, and who showed contempt for those who use houses of worship as a way of making profit might think about some of his more conservative ostensible followers these days. “Jesus was a socialist” is kind of an overused meme in leftist circles, but he was undeniably a hell of a lot closer to one than he was to a Laissez-Faire capitalist.
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I'm glad that the Bible can be interpreted that way. To be fair, I have a lot of issues with my religion, which might make me a bad candidate to be more open and accepting to religious queers (?), though I am trying to. For context, I am only familiar with the wonderful religion of Islam, the lovely so-called religion of peace. I understand many can reconcile with it and pick out the good parts, like many others do with other religions, but I have seen such severe anti-gay and trans rhetoric as well as other violent ideas all rooted in religion in my community that I find it hard to believe in said God myself.

Would you guys have any opinions on how I can learn to at least be more accepting or a bit more religion-blind?
 
Katcantsleep said:
Would you guys have any opinions on how I can learn to at least be more accepting or a bit more religion-blind?
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Talking to lgbt and lgbt friendly religious members is a good way, and visiting friendly groups (churches, mosques etc) helps. I'm friendly with the rabbi of a jewish friend of mine whos a lesbian and hes been really kind into answering my questions and also is just really chill. I get invited sometimes to some events too since ive helped around the synagogue and the group size is pretty small
 
Kin+ak (✧∇✧) said:
The bible states that homosexual people shall not be supported. Nowhere anyone says "hate them" or "insult them". Be peaceful os Also What bible stages in général. So i'm peaceful With you guys
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Thanks, I guess? I mean I guess it's better than being openly hostile but I wouldn't pat yourself on the back for simply not being violent. That should be the expected norm.
 
Kin+ak (✧∇✧) said:
Yes I do. Is it so problematic? You can always prefer being insulted and hated. i've always been discriminated in Africa because I was born in china and discriminated in china because i'm black. Discrimination Is not THAT terrible, I live With it everyday and i'm not suffering at all, be strong, live long
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if you've felt discrimination for your ethnic and cultural background you should be able to empathize with lgbtq+ people, right? do you have any reason not to support us other than "the bible says so"? religion can be important to many people, but you shouldn't follow it blindly, as many religious leaders and groups use their power to direct oppression at marginalized groups, like those of other countries, races, sexualities, etc. i urge you to consider that!
 
As a person whos father is a pastor, i feel like the bible on its own is not actually the problem with the correlation between Christians and being Homophobes as is just twisting messages in the bible and wrong interpretations. Just to start off with an interesting fact, the Old and New Testament iirc never mentions anything other than gay men in sexual acts, no passages on them loving each other romantically and on lesbian women. However, most of these "examples" are likely just wrong interpretations of something else that is much more serious (for example, the verses in Leviticus 18 and 20 that are basically "you as a man, shall not sleep with another man" is likely just a wrong interpretation of what is actually basically "you as a man shall not sleep with another man of your family" basically incest.) So there's nowhere in the bible where it states "you shall not support a gay person" or whatever, nor is there anywhere where they say to hate them.

More so i feel like the issue more so stems in the conservativeness of most christians. Also,
Kin+ak (✧∇✧) don't use christianity and the bible as an excuse to not support lgbt people. There is nowhere in the bible where it states that and saying “oh i don’t hate them but i cant support them” means nothing and is homophobia in my opinion.
 
Nah I was making excuses based on the bible sorry. The truth Is, i go at church Once iN two years. I live on china it's hard to support you With always somebody checking What you do on your phone, let's say I dont hate your community. I live With lots of homophobic people so we Never bring The topic iN a conversation cause we all know that my dad Will start to shout and menace everything from talking ever again. I Don't hate you, i Don't say aloud that I support you, be strong and affirm yourself iN your surroundings. I Never said discrimination isn't bad, i meant that you're probable strong enough. What do you want me to do about discrimination You endure
 
In general people who use religion for bigotry and hate really miss the point to begin with. Speaking as someone who has practiced Christian faith both in and out of a church setting (and am LGBTQ+ myself), conservative/fundamentalist Christians twist the use of the Bible and the real teachings of their own religion to act like they have the moral high ground, and from my own understanding, they are ironically going against everything Jesus ever stood for in doing so.

Like, in addition to what's already been stated, even if we were to assume that homosexuality hypothetically speaking was a "sin", that doesn't actually justify hating them and condemning them, much less not giving them love and compassion. The underlying theme of the Bible and its stories is that everyone is a sinner in some form, no exceptions, and that following Jesus and showing the selfless compassion he did to the people around us is the way, same with accepting him into our lives and that through his death, he bears the burden of the sins of all of us. In that sense fundamentalist/conservative Christians either don't really get that or don't care, and they instead twist it around to act like they have the moral high ground and that they will be saved and everyone else will be condemned: from what I've read, it would actually be the other way around. Those people would be the ones who would be condemned for being hateful and judgmental to others, which in and of itself *is* a sin based on it.

So really there is no value in using religion as an excuse for bigotry and hatred: if anything speaking from a Christian standpoint, fundamentalists who use their Christianity to spread hate are actually going against the core spiritual philosophy their own religion intends to teach in the first place. Really it should be the other way: spread love, compassion, and understanding, not hate. That is what Christianity truly stands for as far as I can tell.
 
On another topic has anyone realized how fucking dire body and race representation is in games geared towards women/gay men (even just gay aligned games like Stardew)
anyways this is largely pedantic so I'm gonna indulge myself because I'm the only person who matters

Like you'll get your white fem twinks every genshin guy, maybe a couple buff hairless white guys(I was shocked that FEE gave us a guy with a beard lol). obv representation in every game sucks ass but it really does feel like those are the only 2 options 99% of the time lmao. only time you ever see a chubby guy it's usually for comedic reasons just like in regular media which is a whole other issue.

Hell just for an example you really only have 5 skinny white guys to choose from in Stardew, Alex is more jock than the others but that's about it (women's the same but Maru is at least poc)

same issue with the FE gays until Engage too, Lindhart, Yuri, and to a lesser extent Niles fall into the same fem leaning twink area so that was your only choice, Mauvier/Diamant and sorta Fogado(they were allies) are a better range of choices so -w-
Timerra is slightly less they were roommates than Fogado was so the lesbians won there
 
Tenshi said:
On another topic has anyone realized how fucking dire body and race representation is in games geared towards women/gay men (even just gay aligned games like Stardew)
anyways this is largely pedantic so I'm gonna indulge myself because I'm the only person who matters

Like you'll get your white fem twinks every genshin guy, maybe a couple buff hairless white guys(I was shocked that FEE gave us a guy with a beard lol). obv representation in every game sucks ass but it really does feel like those are the only 2 options 99% of the time lmao. only time you ever see a chubby guy it's usually for comedic reasons just like in regular media which is a whole other issue.

Hell just for an example you really only have 5 skinny white guys to choose from in Stardew, Alex is more jock than the others but that's about it (women's the same but Maru is at least poc)

same issue with the FE gays until Engage too, Lindhart, Yuri, and to a lesser extent Niles fall into the same fem leaning twink area so that was your only choice, Mauvier/Diamant and sorta Fogado(they were allies) are a better range of choices so -w-
Timerra is slightly less they were roommates than Fogado was so the lesbians won there
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  • it's densely political, "fatness" doesn't sell as a commodity because it isn't associated with the privileges that beauty ("thinness") awards. I wish all your examples didn't scream no shit but they really do, there's a reason gay fanservice anime like Free! and Yuri on Ice starred.. what? Thin white twinks lol, and I sadly don't see inclusion in that way becoming any more meaningful unless sex stops selling..
 
It's honestly hard to be LGBTQ+, not only due to your sexual or romantic interests/tastes, but as well due to being accepted as a human being like any other considered "normal", as straight people. Saddens me that after our ancient roots, we still are seen as some kind of "abnormal" and out of the social pattern, even if our form of loving and pleasure is just as old as everything else. I'm bisexual, even if nobody reminds of us, we still exist.
 
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AstemBloom said:
It's honestly hard to be LGBTQ+, not only due to your sexual or romantic interests/tastes, but as well due to being accepted as a human being like any other considered "normal", as straight people. Saddens me that after our ancient roots, we still are seen as some kind of "abnormal" and out of the social pattern, even if our form of loving and pleasure is just as old as everything else. I'm bisexual, even if nobody reminds of us, we still exist.
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+1, there's so many eastern examples of 3rd gender individuals such as hijras from South Asian cultures that transcend gender and sexuality binaries that throw wrenches into the eurocentric/anglosaxon limitations. I usually say "standard," but "limitations" feels more and more appropriate considering western traditions have historically been developed as a means of controlling a populace through tight, closed-minded definitions that create hierarchy.
 
Damn, I remember when this thread wasn't pinned back in the day, neat that it is now. Also that it's a whole new thread, but eh, thats to be expected I guess. Wanna say it was Jumpluff who started the initial thread, but memory is probably faulty there

But yeah, lesbo trans girl here. It's always been a feeling of odd amusement that I can trace back realizing I was trans to Smogon of all places back in the day lol. Talked to someone else that realized she was trans, looked it up to get a better idea, and it was like a whole ass dam had broken and the currents took me somewhere new and honestly scary at the time. A teenager with deep issues mentally and 0% love for her own body for a long time suddenly having to grapple with her whole ass perception of herself being washed away and replaced with a thing she barely knew anything about? Shit's not easy at all I gotta say

But at the same time, I likely would have ended up dead or something if I hadn't figured it out eventually, so hey, even if it's not been the kindest journey, sure beats ending up in a river I guess

Feels kinda weird honestly, thinking back to when first getting that realization, and how much more meek and scared and out of place I felt, and now I'm sitting here just kinda nonchalantly describing it all. Can't call myself a queer elder or anything close to that, but definitely got a whole lot more mature and worldly. Maybe we'll end up helping some new queer folks figure stuff out as well like they did with me
 
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Hello there. I'm an asexual and aromantic fellow who has been identifying as non-binary for almost nearly two years but have been going back and forth figuring myself out for well over a decade even before that. While I am mostly open online with every group I feel comfortable interacting with, I cannot say the same for real life due to not wanting to take any risks due to the part of the State I am in being rather conservative in addition to having a parent who is associated with the Witnesses. I'm not very good at really articulating my experiences with understanding my identity in general but I wanted to come in to say hello and be happy to be here and hope that is enough.
 
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+1, there's so many eastern examples of 3rd gender individuals such as hijras from South Asian cultures that transcend gender and sexuality binaries that throw wrenches into the eurocentric/anglosaxon limitations. I usually say "standard," but "limitations" feels more and more appropriate considering western traditions have historically been developed as a means of controlling a populace through tight, closed-minded definitions that create hierarchy.
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The first half of your sentence is spot on (especially when one recalls the anti-hijra actions by British colonial officers), but I'm not sure what you mean by the latter half because societies with genders beyond a binary are often still extremely hierarchal and often these genders are constructed to reinforce culturally-enforced sociopolitical hierarchies. IIRC Hijras often had roles as servants and sex workers, and Balkan sworn virgins were forced to give up sex to have the same rights as men. There are also constructed gender roles that aren't hierarchal, well known examples being Two-Spirit and Mahu people in indigenous societies in Canada, the US, and Hawaii. I think that's really one of the fascinating things about how gender is constructed- there really aren't a whole lot of rules for how a culture constructs genders, leaving a wide variety of outcomes.
 
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used to post here a ton 4ish years ago as a Very nervous closeted baby gay so I thought it’d be cute to have my first post after my 3+ year hiatus be in this thread. All those old posts are long gone so you’ll have to just guess which flavors of the rainbow I am if you don’t already know me. I never liked making coming out posts and I’ve no intention of re-doing it now :P

To all the people who read this thread and use this site as a gateway to self-expression otherwise totally inaccessible: I’ve been there. Stuff gets better “with time,” but more than that, we have it in us to make our lives into what we need and want them to be. You’ll get there, you’re strong enough, just follow your convictions and stick to those who treat you right.

It’s been almost three years since the first time my partner and I traded “I love you”s. We didn’t start dating till like three months later but don’t worry about that. This year, my mom invited both of us to Christmas Eve for the first time. I just think that’s pretty neat.
 
AstemBloom said:
It's honestly hard to be LGBTQ+, not only due to your sexual or romantic interests/tastes, but as well due to being accepted as a human being like any other considered "normal", as straight people. Saddens me that after our ancient roots, we still are seen as some kind of "abnormal" and out of the social pattern, even if our form of loving and pleasure is just as old as everything else. I'm bisexual, even if nobody reminds of us, we still exist.
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I was almost killed by my mother for being trans, my country isn't usually that awful about LGBTQ+ but I had terrible luck with my family... Hopefully in 20-30 years, young people will be truly free to be themselves because we sure weren't.
 
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