Unfortunately, Kris fixed the issue with ho oh being allowed so it's banned now
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This should be legal (inheriting from Alola Exeggutor)
Sorry, I meant regular exeggutor, it has all the same moves + chlorophyll.doesn't get chlorophyll
Regular Exeggutor doesnt actually learn the same moves as Alolan, that's the actual bug.Sorry, I meant regular exeggutor, it has all the same moves + chlorophyll.
Walking Wake, due to being an event only pokemon, has some weird restrictions when it comes to specifically its IVs. Maybe try giving it max attack IVs?Cannot Walking Wake inherit from Masquerain?
I've tried the exact same set with Alomomola and it works (don't do that, please)
No.
The only way to have perfect coverage is to have Electric + Ice + Ground + Fighting on a single pokemon.
If you're missing even one of those typings, then abilities can counter you.
For example, since you are missing a fighting type attack, that set would be vulnerable to being walled by goodra-hisui with levitate. You'd be forced out to avoid a knock-off and hoping for a freeze.
Ice beam against Non-assaultvest Goodra-hisui without leftovers would be a 4hko. With leftovers it becomes a 5hko. If you get knocked off it becomes a 6hko. Without a fighting type move, Goodra-hisui could just sit on you and click recover 8 times. Sure you'd attack it coming in, but then it gets a free knock off & 2 turns of leftovers recovery because it forces you out. It doesn't necessarily need regenerator or assault vest to wall this.
If your that sandy shock set became popular, Goodra-hisui would just start inheriting from chimeco ... who gets both heal bell & knock off. That means becoming burn from flamethrower isn't an issue and only a lucky freeze could stop its progress. (Also, how the heck does a floating bell learn knock off? That's the equivalent of Diglett learning scratch.)
Yes, it's not worth running, to you, as you stated that's your opinion. That does not mean it is objectively worthless, not useful, or not S tier. AV-Regen Goodra-hisui is S-tier because Goodra-hisui itself is S tier, one of the few "perfect" pokemon even (alongside the likes Dragonite, Heatran, Ttar, and Tapu Lele). AV-Goodra is popular because it's easy to think of and is the first thing to come to mind.
Goodra gains compressed roles with nigh any set because it itself is good. Hazard removal and Slow Pivot are specific to cyclizar Goodra-hisui, that means nothing else but that it's something that specific set can do. Chimeco Goodra-hisui can tank special attack, set up sweep, keep team ailment free, negate healing, remove items and tank special attacks. Alolamola Goodra-hisui can easily pass wishes and burn things and pivot.
As you said yourself, that Sandy Shocks easily 2hko's assault vest Goodra-hisui without rocks. Meanwhile Levitate-no vest Goodra-hisui can sit on that exact same sandy shocks all day. Sun Ironmoth cannot 2hko non-AV Goodra-hisui without specs & without a crit & without overheat because Goodra is just that naturally tanky. Not mentioning assault vest is irrelevant if iron moth has all 3 of those things happen then it 2hko's both sets regardless of assault vest.
You don't need to pivot if you force you opponent out. AV-regen Goodra-hisui cannot pivot on sandy shocks, it'd need to hard switch.
It's a bulky steel dragon type that doesn't lack in offensive stats. To discount it as an adequate special wall is merely survivor bias speaking. Such is only said because you're used to seeing AV-Regen Goodra-hisui. It's the equivalent of calling Avalugg & Ting-Lu inadequate physical walls.
Healbell is useful on any team that doesn't want to worry about ailments and can be utilized effectively by goodra-hisui who is immune toxic to undo any progress ailments are making, especially on itself.
I only answered the OP's question. They didn't ask if it's a good wall breaker, I'm sure they already know it is because sheer force does sheer force things. The OP asked if that was perfect coverage, in which the answer is objectively no, not without a fighting type attack. If one does not possess the 4 puzzle piece typings then abilities will allow it to be walled.
Meta is not static. Chimeco Goodra was merely an example. Even you used "almost" & then listed Snorlax, who is ... weak to fighting indicating a lack of coverage. If that sandy shocks became a prominent special attacker, assault vest Goodra would become less common & levitate-leftovers more common.
That's simply the pattern. There was a time where people discredited defensive talonflame or salamence as defoggers because they were use to hyper offensive sets. Then surprise surprise when people saw all 6 of their pokemon burned & those two flying types still alive, opinions changed. Even happened recently in AAA forums prior to dlc drop when hazards became an issue and people complained of having no decent defogger as corviknight couldn't do the job. A person tried to tell everyone default Hawlucha & Magic Guard talonflame were excellent defoggers but received lash back due to survivor bias and a stubbornness to not try new things. Surprise surprise, opinions changed when more people used them. Turns out that joker, Hawlucha, with only HP investment is very bulky and pretty hard to kill & wouldn't die just healed to full & forced out hazard setters and Regen mons. ... Bullet proof stunfish ... yes stunfish ... was called worthless till surprise surprise, people used it and found it to be nigh invincible in the meta, even moreso than Chansey.
If one thing becomes popular, it's counters will become popular, that's just how it works. Heck landorus is basically immortalized.
DLC time!defog didnt return cancel the gen
Of course this means a simple update for the banlist:
Deoxys regular, Deoxys Attack, Ho-Oh, Kyurem-Black, Kyurem-White, Lugia, Lunala, Necrozma DM and DW, Regigigas, Reshiram, Smeargle, Solgaleo, Zekrom as well as Water Bubble are gonna start banned in inheritance!
These are all guys with bsts too strong for the tier, while smeargle has an infinite movepool.
On top of that, we voted on a couple of new guys:
Don Vascus anaconja Clefable pannu Result Pecharunt BAN BAN BAN BAN 4-0 BAN Deoxys-Speed DNB ABS DNB DNB 0-3-1 STARTS FREE
Pecharunt will start banned, while Deoxys-Speed will start free!
Pecharunt is a ghost poison type with 160 defense and 88 in every other stat. The last thing this tier needs is an obsenely physically bulky ghost type that can also effectively run gholdengo as a donor. Hazard stack was already problematic with how limited removal was and it has not gotten any better, so we decided to not make it even worse with a super bulky ghost in the tier.
Deoxys-Speed is a fast pokemon with mixed offensive stats, usually a recipe for brokenness in this tier, but unlike pokemon similar to it like Regieleki and Dragapult, it has a mediocre offensive typing in mono psychic, so we decided to give it a fair shot. A lot of scary things are starting free, so it might fit in quite nicely
Also a little update compared to the rest, but Razor fang is also banned. King's Rock is banned so King's rock's clone should also be
Thank you Kris in advance for implementing it and Have fun!
Some random sets I've came up with: inherits from Chien-Pao @ Choice Band Ability: Protean Tera Type: Dark EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe Jolly Nature - Triple Axel - Flower Trick / Trick - U-turn - Knock Off Meowscarada got a buff in the second part of the DLC by receiving Triple Axel, and it's the perfect donor for Chien-Pao. It now has STAB on everything it does! Trick is a neat move for in case an annoying stall Pokemon decides to switch-in on you.
Ambipom (Chien-Pao) @ Choice Band
Ability: Technician
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Triple Axel
- Beat Up / Knock Off
- Knock Off / Low Kick / Switcheroo / Thunder Punch
- U-turn / Knock Off / Switcheroo
Chien pao has finally recieved his care package from the agency and now has become extra cracked. Tech taxel by itself is super hard to switch in, and ambipon has a laundry list of moves to support it, including the non contact tech beat up, knock off, U-turn, Switcheroo and coverage if you think people will start running cobalion to deal with it, or if you think beat up isnt enough to break through pex and suicune (definitely not true). Use it while you can bc this might get banned given how little resistss its stabs and how strong it is
Always fucks me up when people here for years casually suggest complex bans even as Smogon's moved farther and farther away from them since X and Y.
Based on tiering policy that I know Vascus follows If Tech Axel is a problem abusers will get smoked one at a time until such a time that Tech Axel is no longer or a problem or we're looking to upend the entire tier, in which case the donors of Tech Axel will be smoked. We're never complex banning Technician + Triple Axel.