NOC Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Mafia - Explorers - Game Thread (Game Over!)

Clouds said:
this is a fire post btw and captures the main essence of the issue i have with shane's read on genisu. yes you could say it's a result of shane not having played here before and so it's harder to dig the talons into reads on players you have no prior experience with, but i'm feeling like the points shane's leveraging for the scumread on genisu don't hold the weight that he claims them to. i see how they can get you somewhere but to a full-fledged scumread? not so sure
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I explained my thoughts in-depth on why he's my vote target, but assuming I'm absolutely certain he's a wolf is a bit presumptuous. I even say as much at the very end of that post - "this might be unfair, we'll see", so I don't understand how you got that impression.
 
JALMONT said:
I kind of am wondering about the flavor role claim rn, it's pretty unusual in the sense that theoretically it should be a pretty low risk claim and yet it's basically never been done before or even talked about. I guess I do have to consider the fact that laurel noticed a fake claim and jumped on the opportunity to try and get free town cred. Hm.
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I'm torn on that since it genuinely seemed like he didn't know about the provided fake claims in the OP, especially with how he reacted to me. It might be a way to angle him.
 
Shane’s playstyle is incredibly attractive to me (interpret that attractive as you will) but before this burst post I’d already come up with the following read:

I think Shane is town, I think his first push is town (genisu?) and I think that the far overblown backlash to that first push is scum being threatened by him and wanting to harm his positioning while feeling free to do so because they weren’t buddying their partner in the process.

A large number of players jumped on the Shane read and some of those people will be town parroting their townreads (probably the first person to jump on him is likelier town than the second person for instance) but all in all I think that the reaction to Shane making a single wallpost is wild
 
Also StupidFlandrs48 idk how keen you are to take advice from me and this is ultimately a skill that’s built up with practice (I have terrible working memory so I’m still not great at it) but I think currently a hole in your game is that you get the chronology of the game mixed up. Pushing saber or genisu or whoever for not pushing me when I was active, when I only started being active after the pushes you were talking about, weakens your case a bit.

This whole thing is NAI, since it’s either intentional or unintentional and we can’t read into that, just a word of advice anyway.

ImaginaryNeon sheets are good support for checking the chronology and he hasn’t posted one this game tho tbf
 
I think Laurel is an interesting character this game and I hope he stays active even after his flavour thing was seemingly successfully shot down in the pages I didn’t read

JALMONT flavour claiming happens in theme games sometimes, but I agree with saber that you may feel more compelled to do that with provided safe claims. It’s certainly something that could happen organically (especially if he’s Kecleon who’s kinda of a highly iconic PMD character) but it could also be a scum perspective slip that he felt emboldened to do so as a result of getting a safe.

It is a little curious because the last game in this vein (Assist Trophy, the last proper theme game on this site) Laurel was mafia in, I provided safe claims, and he didn’t interact with flavour at all. I provided the same warning that the game can’t be solved by mass claim too because I back myself to design games that well lol.
 
I think M2H not connecting the dots between “Neon claimed to absorb the first town role that dies automatically” and genisu’s point that Neon could just, actively absorb the first town role that dies as cover for that, even after genisu walked her right up to the point of reasoning before that conclusion, fascinating.

Would M2H bus her partner early D1 only to rescind it upon this roleclaim? Yeah, probably. And the “Neon would never think of this” point is undermined by the fact that M2H would think of it. And we all know the first time Neon’s scum he’s in scumchat like “I gotta claim page 5 what do I do”.

Significant S/S eq between those two, even if I’m not particularly scumreading either rn.
 
Read through Shane’s burst posts (I did not read them before making the above ones) and I particularly like the highlighting of a fairy accusing genisu of getting coached because she traditionally memes on that style of accusation
 
Celever said:
I think M2H not connecting the dots between “Neon claimed to absorb the first town role that dies automatically” and genisu’s point that Neon could just, actively absorb the first town role that dies as cover for that, even after genisu walked her right up to the point of reasoning before that conclusion, fascinating.

Would M2H bus her partner early D1 only to rescind it upon this roleclaim? Yeah, probably. And the “Neon would never think of this” point is undermined by the fact that M2H would think of it. And we all know the first time Neon’s scum he’s in scumchat like “I gotta claim page 5 what do I do”.

Significant S/S eq between those two, even if I’m not particularly scumreading either rn.
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I wouldn't really consider the joke pressure to be a "bus" in any world, and the whole thing played out in a manner that looked planned to me

You're saying that in this world M2H formed a plan pregame that she was going to take advantage of Neon's reputation as a wildclaim to have him fake a role that's usually town-aligned so that she could take a grasp of the game immediately and mech clear him?

It's fun to think about but the entire thing seems a bit convoluted for me

By the way, why's genisu village in ur eyes?
 
Shane the Shroomish said:
I wouldn't really consider the joke pressure to be a "bus" in any world, and the whole thing played out in a manner that looked planned to me

You're saying that in this world M2H formed a plan pregame that she was going to take advantage of Neon's reputation as a wildclaim to have him fake a role that's usually town-aligned so that she could take a grasp of the game immediately and mech clear him?

It's fun to think about but the entire thing seems a bit convoluted for me

By the way, why's genisu village in ur eyes?
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I don’t think M2H would’ve had an option but to utilise Neon’s page 5 claim for her benefit (to be clear no one who’s scum with Neon would be able to lol) because Neon would start talking about how he needs to claim on page 5 during confirmation phase lol

If Neon’s claim is fake then it’s because it was the safeclaim given to him by Charlie. I think she is at best utilising a good safeclaim and trying to blow it out of proportion to secure her buddy’s towncred.

I could see what you mean about the early bus seeming staged yeah.

I only think genisu is likely town rn because of this thread dynamics theory I said. It’s what best explains the game so far IMO because I think it has been a weird focal point fnr.
 
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