NOC Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Mafia - Explorers - Game Thread (Game Over!)

Duskfall98 said:
understandalbe, i regardless think its far more likely to come from scum you than town you, as i feel like ive seen you do something like this most times youre mafia to try get a fake clear
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Never done this, i dont like that i feel like you’re reaching but i don’t disagree with your identification i guess
 
Duskfall98 said:
i miss m2h
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hi

also i wasn't 'writing you off' imo. i just think that you have a much stronger scum game than i do (tho i can still do fine on smogon atp). i also think that mafia meta/strength is somewhat of a zero sum game in that outside of some core proficiencies, town game strength and mafia game strength are antagonistic. a player with a strong scum game like you or DS has a worse town game or will have their town game stunted by perceptions of them. strong town players like ellibereth or hal in a smogon context will have the opposite problem where their town strength and reads become a liability. i don't see being a worse town player as being indicative of being a worse player overall because i think there are three scales: one for general competency (which is why trying to play the "same game" as both town and mafia is reductive--you have to be good at the game first) and two for how ones game is suited for specific alignments. i think you are very high on general competency and high on scum strength but lower on town because scum/town strength are antagonistic in nature. but your general competency is very high. mine is probably slightly lower but my game is highly specced for town play unless i tanked my meta.
 
Clouds said:
anyone not voting genisu at the moment, do you think he's acting like mafia under fire now that he's been the lead wagon for ages?

that should be the question we're asking here. if there's enough hesistancy, we're better off exploring other vote options or we'll just wind up having a stagnant lead wagon that everyone feels inclined to resolve come day's end. opinions seem to vary here, but i don't see anyone going to bat for him or taking a firm stance against the vote, which is interesting to me. i'm beginning to form a more consistent opinion re: his alignment, but it's still cooking
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i was about to vote clouds but then i saw this which i like a lot
 
Clouds said:
to answer your question the flanders vote, i explained it in a post prior to voting; it was linked to his verbal conviction on the genisu scumread not being backed with as much of a force towards getting the vote to happen as i'd expect for someone who seemed to feel so strongly about it, and i saw more combativeness without direction than i'm comfortable with. decided to unvote cause this doesn't carry enough weight for me atm
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i'm not sure what to make of that other than at surface level it seems like you're trying really hard to justify some sort of read, if you're expecting a newish player to play town leader and try to get everyone to vote with them i don't get it. head empty

Clouds said:
and so now with you seeing the light i explained earlier about laurel's progression with the whole mafia fakeclaims thing seeming believable, what do you make of jalmont & duskfall both thinking it's a grab for town credit? jalmont's case is much more speculative to be fair, but dusk seemed to call out laurel as obvious mafia without much further elaboration and then ditched the subject, which was intriguing to me
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their interpretation is the same initial impression i had of laurel and then i changed my mind, so doesn't really feel off to me
 
JALMONT said:
It’s funny because I don’t like it

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Hedging super hard on genisu instead of going one way or the other. Why post this at all?
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Not every discussion or opinion has to result in a vote my guy. As this point you're just chaotic, you give only the barest justification or explanation for reads and votes and it's happened like five times now. I'd call it obvious 3P behavior but I respect you enough as a player to think you have a certain town role that makes you act like this instead of automatically being that. Will continue observing
 
Shane the Shroomish said:
i'm not sure what to make of that other than at surface level it seems like you're trying really hard to justify some sort of read, if you're expecting a newish player to play town leader and try to get everyone to vote with them i don't get it. head empty
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also because he voted genisu out of annoyance him asking people to sheep and get him thrown over so early would just be really self-absorbed, which isn't the impression i get of him

it was pretty early into the phase, i just dont find it weird that someone isnt trying to convince people to join a wagon
 
JALMONT said:
It’s funny because I don’t like it

##unvote
##vote clouds

Hedging super hard on genisu instead of going one way or the other. Why post this at all?
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the read's a hedge because i'm genuinely undecided on genisu's alignment, they're one of the slots i'm fully in the dark in as far as prior experience goes and i don't feel like airing a stable read on them until i have one. reason i'm posting it at all is to get people thinking about it now that they've been the lead wagon for so long, as well as to see how it's responded to. this is fair criticism, that's just where i'm at with it
 
Clouds said:
there's a chance neon has been threadspewed town, there isn't much merit gained in burying him deep within the towncore for the mafia team if he tends to be viewed as more of a loose cannon that could be bussed when necessary. also have a hunch he'd make himself a bit more evident as mafia. unless there's serious cause for concern later, i'm sketching this in for now... i still think anything related to his claim itself is not the right reason to clear him though, we know mafia were given fakeclaims and it's highly likely that these fakeclaims are designed to sound like villager roles to some extent. independent of that, there haven't been any red flags i've noticed yet, so i'll move forward under the impression that you goons aren't wrong on this one
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i also think that
 
Shane the Shroomish said:
i'm not sure what to make of that other than at surface level it seems like you're trying really hard to justify some sort of read, if you're expecting a newish player to play town leader and try to get everyone to vote with them i don't get it. head empty
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it's more like i'm trying to understand the justification for flander's read on genisu to begin with, as opposed to backing up my own read on flanders. which can't even be called a full read, cause it's not... think you're misinterpreting me trying to connect read logic and having suspicion around a slot as some sort of firm read. similar to how you thought i was making more out of your own read with genisu than you were at the time

this is a two way street -- if i have any stronger scumreads at any point, i'll be airing them for sure. something to know about my playstyle though is that i far prefer to find town first, just makes things easier for me cause i've historically had more success in solves where i've built a towncore and an outside poe to vote through vs swinging for the fences with scumreads
 
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